Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Verve]

What do you mean?

Of despair, sorrow, anger, relief, disappointment etc etc ... This thread is full of our swings and when one is not another is and so on and so forth

 

[Realistic Change]

Khamooshi bhee aik message hota hay!

Achcha jee?

Conference hoti hay NS kay Janay saay aik roz Pehlay, Presser hoti hay Nawaz ki rawangi kay baad.

Ham kammi kameen awam kya janain!

Khamooshi bhee aik message hota hay!

Then NS was right all along to stay mute on Kulbhushan!

Abki maar!

Former Accused PM URGeelani name was put on ECL.

Former Accused PM RPAshraf name was put on ECL.

Former Disgraced and Accused PM Nawaz name can never be put on ECL.

Kis kis ko roya jai?

Insaaf na sirf bhainga hay, magar kabhee kabhee conveniently dain aank say kana bhee ho jata hay, NS hamesha dain taraf say bach kar nikal jata hay, nazar aata tu kuch kia jata.

Har Shaakh pay ullu baitha hay, Anjaame Gulistaan kya hoga.

How come the accused son of sitting PM URG is arrested but the accused children of a former disgraced and accused PM incite violence and commit contempt of judges and allowed to run away while their father, who does the same repeatedly, enjoys the status and "REGARD" of a de-facto Monarch and is allowed every convenience.

It is a slap and a boot kick on the face to a common man like myself. To say that it is painfully insulting is an understatement, gutted is about the right word, but who cares.

My apologies to DG ISPR as he represents the martyred who lay their lives for us but the burden of the past is such that it amounts to the creation of the current monstrosity and so their way also goes the responsibility.

There are ways and means of doing things behind the scenes instead of an outright martial law that shall understandably cause the opposite affect than required. But there is no room for neutrality nor the time, water has already gotten too high.

My salute and sincerest Thank you to my brave and mighty who give their lives for our nation but are showing remarkable restraint in the face of extreme incitement and ridicule. The odds must be extremely high or the prejudice too deep. I would like to believe the former despite historic tendencies pointing towards the later but if it turns out to be the later to any extent then we won't need any outside enemies.

Khamoshi bhe aik message hota hay!
This is a gigantic statement that can go either way. Make this statement count, any further inaction and the dwindling credibility shall take a hike along with the strength that binds this nation despite all odds. A dangerous situation indeed.

The belief to oppose and do everything in power against the corrupt must be stronger and actions on the ground stronger still instead of any compromise to prolong the reign of the corrupt or else we are all doomed.

IN PRINCIPLE, IT IS THAT SIMPLE!

Whatever transpires in the future shall explain which path was chosen by the concerned.

I totally understand your sentiments and I dare say, also the uneasiness that every patriot also feels due to no visible improvement in application/enforcement of law on Sharifs.

Coming back to the presser, message was simple and deliberately muted at certain angles. I won’t go into detail, as all of the members here understand way better than me, so no point discussing those over and over again.

Couple of points in this presser as well as COAS’s meeting with three Lt. Gen’s before special CC meeting has defined certain parameters, this presser has covered both of above mentioned meetings’ salient points:

1. If issue has Non Negotiable significance in the eyes of PA, then it will convey and ensure it’s correction.

2. Political & Security angles are intertwined and can’t be seen, analyzed, nor carried out in isolation especially when the foundation of this presser rightly pointed out unique geostrategic significance of our country. However, to avoid possible attack he delineated from certain aspects on purpose.

3. PA is in no mood to visually overstep it’s defined role vis a vis law enforcement for arresting any politician and is hoping judiciary and law enforcement to tackle on its own. In PPP’s time, the two most powerful (actually you can say three) individuals were working for Nawaz’s interests hence YRG, RPA episodes.

And yes.....Nawaz is special not due to PA now, but due to the constituency he has crafted within the system (won’t go in detail for the same reason cited above), and as discussed above PA is in no mood to interfere nor is planning to steer FIA, FBR, SCP, CA etc., in any direction that intelligentsia believes to be THE right one.

In the meanwhile for those who didn’t get my day before yesterday’s Jim reference, now they’ll get it - what I was referring to.

 

[Farah Sohail]

I totally understand your sentiments and I dare say also the uneasiness that every patriot feels due to no visible improvement in application/enforcement of law on Sharifs.

Coming back to the presser, message was simple and deliberately muted at certain angles. I won’t go into detail, as all of the members here understand way better than me, so no point discussing those over and over again.

Couple of points in this presser as well as COAS’s meeting with three Lt. Gen’s before special CC meeting has defined certain parameters, this presser has covered both of above mentioned meetings’ salient points:

1. If issue has Non Negotiable significance in the eyes of PA, then it will convey and ensure it’s correction.

2. Political & Security angles are intertwined and can’t be seen, analyzed, nor carried out in isolation especially when the foundation of this presser rightly pointed out unique geostrategic significance of our country. However, to avoid possible attack he delineated from certain aspects on purpose.

3. PA is in no mood to visually overstep it’s defined role vis a vis law enforcement for arresting any politician and is hoping judiciary and law enforcement to tackle on its own. In PPP’s time, the two most powerful (actually you say three) individuals were working for Nawaz’s interests hence YRG, RPA issues.

And yes.....Nawaz is special not due to PA now, but due to the constituency he has crafted within the system (won’t go in detail for the same reason cited above), and as discussed above PA is in no mood to interfere nor is planning to steer FIA, FBR, SCP, CA etc., in any direction that intelligentsia believes to be THE right one.

What future...do u see of cases against NS? He has run away...so there wont be any indictment... His family members..will keep on coming one by one..so no one will be indicted..so what abt cases against him? Do u see these cases proceeding further? Leave alone conviction..but will these cases even proceed? Sirf Indictment bhi hosakay gi? Aur case chalay ga bhi?

Also..even if sharifs dont come back....and their cases dont proceed...and theres no indictment..what abt Ishaq Dar? Ishaq Dar has been indicted already.. Ab woh aaye ya na aaye..koi farq nahi parta..his case will proceed.. So if sharifs dont come back and their cases dont proceed...will he just wait and watch? We heard tht he came back on teh condition..tht he will appear b4 courts..only if sharifs also appear... Now Ishaq Dar has been convicted ..aur NS bhaag gaya.. What do u think...how will Ishaq Dar react to it?

 

[Shane]

and as discussed above PA is in no mood to interfere nor is planning to steer FIA, FBR, SCP, CA etc., in any direction that intelligentsia believes to be THE right one.

Thank you for your reply. You raise interesting points which are understandably better left undisclosed so I won't go into those but above.

I understand that it is your information and not your own desire. My reply is based on another POV which happens to be my own and is entirely different when it comes to staying neutral.

This neutrality syndrome is the reason we see PMLN behind a corrupt Nawaz, even though they all know he is corrupt, full stop.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited only if other institutions like NAB, FBR, SECP etc. Or at least NAB were neutral.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited if PMLN were not the illegitimate children of predecessor of those claiming neutrality at this juncture. Amounts to siding with them at this point and time. Hence, kills the claim before it leaves the edge of the tongue that claims it.

If what you say is correct about staying neutral then all I can say is: ...chala gaya sajday maen jab waqt-e-qayam aaya

InnaLillahe wa InnaElaihe Rajeon.

If outright neutrality syndrome is the case then it amounts to collusion. May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy on our country.

We have front seat view of a pet cat that is threatening to pounce on a pet pigeon with its eyes open but their keeper is busy day dreaming neutrality instead of helping the pigeon. What are the odds of the legitimacy of the claim of neutrality?I guess let Nature's way prevail, strongest among the two shall be the winner i.e. if the keeper stays neutral.

Good luck! to those claiming neutrality and
Tough luck to the pigeon!

I am always optimistic, Al hamduliAllah! My point of view has always been about MakafateAmal as the only reason of the Tabbar being in hot water. Whoever stands by in collusion with the tabbar shall face the wrath of Allah Subhan Taala. All the humiliations, disgrace and ridicule shall be witnessed by history.

Just imagine the following solution.
The easiest way was to windup the clocks of some NAB guys and everything from arrest warrants to names on ECL would have been considered according to the defined procedure without raising any eye brows. Looking towards Army for guidance, PMLN would have had new leadership installed and the rest of it a better history than "Mujhay kyun Nikala yatra" or the turmoil we see now because of inaction at that time.

Innal-Insana lafee Khusr...

Maray Jaisay Aam Awam kay leye QuranePak ki guidance agar ham amal karnay walay ban jain. Naik Amal ki koshish, Haq ka saath dainay ki koshish aur sabr karnay ki koshish, bas. ham log bohot gunahgar hain, magar hamara mulk Islam k naam par bana hay, Insha Allah fatah haq ki hoo gi! Ye MakafateAmal hay aur log expose hotay rahain gay.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Thank you for your reply. You raise interesting points which are understandably better left undisclosed so I won't go into those but above.

I understand that it is your information and not your own desire. My reply is based on another POV which happens to be my own and is entirely different when it comes to staying neutral.

This neutrality syndrome is the reason we see PMLN behind a corrupt Nawaz, even though they all know he is corrupt, full stop.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited only if other institutions like NAB, FBR, SECP etc. Or at least NAB were neutral.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited if PMLN were not the illegitimate children of predecessor of those claiming neutrality at this juncture. Amounts to siding with them at this point and time. Hence, kills the claim before it leaves the edge of the tongue that claims it.

If what you say is correct about staying neutral then all I can say is: ...chala gaya sajday maen jab waqt-e-qayam aaya

InnaLillahe wa InnaElaihe Rajeon.

If outright neutrality syndrome is the case then it amounts to collusion. May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy on our country.

We have front seat view of a pet cat that is threatening to pounce on a pet pigeon with its eyes open but their keeper is busy day dreaming neutrality instead of helping the pigeon. What are the odds of the legitimacy of the claim of neutrality?I guess let Nature's way prevail, strongest among the two shall be the winner i.e. if the keeper stays neutral.

Good luck! to those claiming neutrality and
Tough luck to the pigeon!

I am always optimistic, Al hamduliAllah! My point of view has always been about MakafateAmal as the only reason of the Tabbar being in hot water. Whoever stands by in collusion with the tabbar shall face the wrath of Allah Subhan Taala. All the humiliations, disgrace and ridicule shall be witnessed by history.

Just imagine the following solution.
The easiest way was to windup the clocks of some NAB guys and everything from arrest warrants to names on ECL would have been considered according to the defined procedure without raising any eye brows. Looking towards Army for guidance, PMLN would have had new leadership installed and the rest of it a better history than "Mujhay kyun Nikala yatra" or the turmoil we see now because of inaction at that time.

Innal-Insana lafee Khusr...

Maray Jaisay Aam Awam kay leye QuranePak ki guidance agar ham amal karnay walay ban jain. Naik Amal ki koshish, Haq ka saath dainay ki koshish aur sabr karnay ki koshish, bas. ham log bohot gunahgar hain, magar hamara mulk Islam k naam par bana hay, Insha Allah fatah haq ki hoo gi! Ye MakafateAmal hay aur log expose hotay rahain gay.

DITTO!!! Agree with each and every word 100%

 

[El Sidd]

Thank you for your reply. You raise interesting points which are understandably better left undisclosed so I won't go into those but above.

I understand that it is your information and not your own desire. My reply is based on another POV which happens to be my own and is entirely different when it comes to staying neutral.

This neutrality syndrome is the reason we see PMLN behind a corrupt Nawaz, even though they all know he is corrupt, full stop.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited only if other institutions like NAB, FBR, SECP etc. Or at least NAB were neutral.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited if PMLN were not the illegitimate children of predecessor of those claiming neutrality at this juncture. Amounts to siding with them at this point and time. Hence, kills the claim before it leaves the edge of the tongue that claims it.

If what you say is correct about staying neutral then all I can say is: ...chala gaya sajday maen jab waqt-e-qayam aaya

InnaLillahe wa InnaElaihe Rajeon.

If outright neutrality syndrome is the case then it amounts to collusion. May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy on our country.

We have front seat view of a pet cat that is threatening to pounce on a pet pigeon with its eyes open but their keeper is busy day dreaming neutrality instead of helping the pigeon. What are the odds of the legitimacy of the claim of neutrality?I guess let Nature's way prevail, strongest among the two shall be the winner i.e. if the keeper stays neutral.

Good luck! to those claiming neutrality and
Tough luck to the pigeon!

I am always optimistic, Al hamduliAllah! My point of view has always been about MakafateAmal as the only reason of the Tabbar being in hot water. Whoever stands by in collusion with the tabbar shall face the wrath of Allah Subhan Taala. All the humiliations, disgrace and ridicule shall be witnessed by history.

Just imagine the following solution.
The easiest way was to windup the clocks of some NAB guys and everything from arrest warrants to names on ECL would have been considered according to the defined procedure without raising any eye brows. Looking towards Army for guidance, PMLN would have had new leadership installed and the rest of it a better history than "Mujhay kyun Nikala yatra" or the turmoil we see now because of inaction at that time.

Innal-Insana lafee Khusr...

Maray Jaisay Aam Awam kay leye QuranePak ki guidance agar ham amal karnay walay ban jain. Naik Amal ki koshish, Haq ka saath dainay ki koshish aur sabr karnay ki koshish, bas. ham log bohot gunahgar hain, magar hamara mulk Islam k naam par bana hay, Insha Allah fatah haq ki hoo gi! Ye MakafateAmal hay aur log expose hotay rahain gay.

@PakSword inho ne akay abhi koi weird NRO logic deni hai kay Nawaz Sharif ko insaaf kay taqazay ke tehat London bhijwa dia hai.

Sir haq kay sath neutral awaam hi khari ho sakti hai. Maslihat dhondne walay jagah jagah maslihat plan bana rahe ha

 

[Realistic Change]

Thank you for your reply. You raise interesting points which are understandably better left undisclosed so I won't go into those but above.

I understand that it is your information and not your own desire. My reply is based on another POV which happens to be my own and is entirely different when it comes to staying neutral.

This neutrality syndrome is the reason we see PMLN behind a corrupt Nawaz, even though they all know he is corrupt, full stop.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited only if other institutions like NAB, FBR, SECP etc. Or at least NAB were neutral.

This neutrality syndrome would have suited if PMLN were not the illegitimate children of predecessor of those claiming neutrality at this juncture. Amounts to siding with them at this point and time. Hence, kills the claim before it leaves the edge of the tongue that claims it.

If what you say is correct about staying neutral then all I can say is: ...chala gaya sajday maen jab waqt-e-qayam aaya

InnaLillahe wa InnaElaihe Rajeon.

If outright neutrality syndrome is the case then it amounts to collusion. May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy on our country.

We have front seat view of a pet cat that is threatening to pounce on a pet pigeon with its eyes open but their keeper is busy day dreaming neutrality instead of helping the pigeon. What are the odds of the legitimacy of the claim of neutrality?I guess let Nature's way prevail, strongest among the two shall be the winner i.e. if the keeper stays neutral.

Good luck! to those claiming neutrality and
Tough luck to the pigeon!

I am always optimistic, Al hamduliAllah! My point of view has always been about MakafateAmal as the only reason of the Tabbar being in hot water. Whoever stands by in collusion with the tabbar shall face the wrath of Allah Subhan Taala. All the humiliations, disgrace and ridicule shall be witnessed by history.

Just imagine the following solution.
The easiest way was to windup the clocks of some NAB guys and everything from arrest warrants to names on ECL would have been considered according to the defined procedure without raising any eye brows. Looking towards Army for guidance, PMLN would have had new leadership installed and the rest of it a better history than "Mujhay kyun Nikala yatra" or the turmoil we see now because of inaction at that time.

Innal-Insana lafee Khusr...

Maray Jaisay Aam Awam kay leye QuranePak ki guidance agar ham amal karnay walay ban jain. Naik Amal ki koshish, Haq ka saath dainay ki koshish aur sabr karnay ki koshish, bas. ham log bohot gunahgar hain, magar hamara mulk Islam k naam par bana hay, Insha Allah fatah haq ki hoo gi! Ye MakafateAmal hay aur log expose hotay rahain gay.

Again I would still say I totally understand your sentiment, what I referred above is information from as close as possible to horses mouth. It in no way express my desire, or my wish, it’s purely based on information that I have.

In my above post, I wrote then erased a part pointing towards the fact, that PA is in no mood to visually interfere at glaring blunders which all patriot Pakistanis want resolved but deleted it before hitting the reply button.

Excuse my comprehension re neutrality angle, not defending nor criticizing PA’s approach; but there is clearer demarcation of To-Do’s and Don’t’s now than Kayani’s exit. Hardly anyone will talk about it. Right or wrong; time will tell.

My observation re above is; it’s illusion of neutrality to cancel out one narrative, how successful they’ll be is anybody’s guess.

Nawaz has been someone’s undisputed chessman even till 2013 especially those naives who believed ISI head was Pro PTI are living in fools paradise; he orchestrated a lot against both; PTI and PPP. The day YRG did state within state speech, SS was sent same night to Pindi, and he was accompanied in that meeting with a very sharp XX holding the Lahore’s fort. All confirmed reports (except IB) of Lahore’s 13 NA seats was 6 PTI, IB confirmed 7 for PTI. There were many factors other than just Nawaz being ladla - I’ll dig up an older post of May 2017 (however the conversation I m referring in this post is prior to May and it’s not to be construed as stance of PA, as I was casually talking to this gentleman not in the capacity of Lt. Gen) I might have shared here to this effect.

@PakSword - You are spot on issues of $ for PA - however China has no issue with IK, nor with any other including PPP. Their vision is strategic not tactical, and no party or leader can go against China even if it's Maulana Fazlur Rahman as PM

KSA can play its cards and is still playing behind the scenes; their Ambassador and rep of King Salman recently met IK and SMQ.

@Farah Sohail

As for PA - I quoted a conversation with one of the PA Generals in London recently, where he stated we have no issue with IK, if he let's us have the complete authority to fire shots in certain domains.




So if you see what had been happening in the last week - this outcome was not totally unexpected - less desirable maybe - depending on how much you want the change the status quo.

SCP is under immense pressure now; as they think someone wants to use their shoulder to put the rocket launcher - will they be able to handle the weight of becoming a launchpad - is anybody's guess!

However, now fact of the matter is whether we like it or not; it will not do (for several reasons discussed here threadbare) as we wish in certain cases; and especially in the case of Nawaz even if he has this baggage

Does following qualify as gold standard for Jamhooriyat or does N$ need a little bit of more accolades?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1242571

Claims that ‘Nawaz took money from Bin Laden’ resurface

UPDATED FEB 29, 2016 04:11PM

ISLAMABAD: A new book has once again made the claim that Nawaz Sharif received money from Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

The book, Khalid Khawaja: Shaheed-i-Aman, is authored by Shamama Khalid, the wife of former ISI operative Khalid Khawaja.

“Chief of PML-N Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif received funding from Osama Bin Laden, founder of Al-Qaeda, to contest elections against Benazir Bhutto’s led Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) after the end of Zia regime,” the book states.

Also read: Benazir’s ‘last testament’ gives hint about plot to kill her

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The book claims that Mr Sharif’s pledge of introducing an Islamic system attracted Khawaja as well as Bin Laden. But even though the Al Qaeda head honcho funded Nawaz Sharif heavily, the latter backtracked from all his promises after coming into power.

Book by slain spy’s wife claims Al Qaeda leader backed Sharif against Benazir Bhutto
The book also carries a note from former ISI director general, retired Lt-Gen Hamid Gul, which also claims that Khawaja was very close to Nawaz Sharif for some time. The book claims that Abdullah Azzam introduced Khawaja to Bin Laden.

Azzam, who is also known as the ‘father of global jihad’, was a Palestinian Sunni. Azzam raised funds and recruited jihadis from the Arab world, known as Afghan Arabs. A mentor of Bin Laden, he is said to have persuaded him to come to Afghanistan.

Khawaja’s peace mission and death

The book claims that Khawaja was killed by a splinter group of the Pakistani Taliban while he was on a peace mission in the restive tribal areas.

Khalid Khawaja went to North Waziristan along with retired Col Imam and British journalist Asad Qureshi. Khawaja and Col Imam were killed by terrorists while Qureshi was released in exchange for a ransom.

Khawaja and the other two went missing on March 26, 2010, reportedly while on a trip to North Waziristan to make a documentary; this is what was claimed in media reports. A few weeks later, he was found murdered.

The Asian Tigers group, that claimed responsibility for the crime, had never been heard of before.

According to the book, Khawaja went to Waziristan to highlight the “large scale destruction” caused by drone attacks in the tribal belt.

The book claimed that Khawaja had visited North Wazirstan prior to March 2010 and had met TTP leaders Waliur Rehman Mehsud, Hakimullah Mehsud, and Sher Khan, a commander from the Haqqani Network.

It says that when Khawaja contacted his Taliban contacts and asked if he could bring along the journalist Asad Qureshi, he was not given permission to do so. In the meantime, Usman Punjabi, an activist of the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and a leader of the Asian Tigers group, offered him their support.

According to the book, this group, which comprised roughly 40 men, later took Khawaja and the other two hostage. Khawaja and Col Imam ended up being executed at their hands.

The author explained that the ‘good’ Taliban were sympathetic to Khawaja and Col Imam, but had gone into hiding due to the drone strikes and could not be reached to negotiate the release of the hostages.

The book alleged that the Indian intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) and the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were behind the killing of Khawaja and Col Imam.

The book mentioned that a letter, left with Khawaja’s body, claimed that he had been killed for his role in the Lal Masjid attack.

Before killing the former ISI agent, the Asian Tigers released video footage showing Khawaja confessing to playing a negative role in the negotiations that took place between the district administration and the Lal Masjid clerics.

This footage showed Khawaja making a startling statement — apparently under duress — that he was a double agent for ISI and CIA and had convinced Maulana Abdul Aziz, the chief cleric of Lal Masjid, to try and escape the besieged mosque in a burqa.

Interestingly enough, a similar claim was made during the proceedings of the one-man commission probe into Lal Masjid.

Former commissioner Khalid Pervez told Justice Shehzado Sheikh – who headed the commission – that the mosque’s clerics had reached a settlement with the government and the former were about to hand over the keys of the Children Library – the library was next to the mosque that had been occupied by seminary students – when Khalid Khawaja scuttled the agreement.

The book also included a one page note from Lal Masjid cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz, admiring Khawaja’s services to human rights, especially in highlighting the issue of missing persons.

The cleric also notes that Khawaja’s confession was extracted under extreme duress.

Published in Dawn, February 29th, 2016

Is Nawaz Sharif a political investment of Osama bin Laden?

Daily Times, March 21, 2006
Nawaz met Osama, received funds: ex-ISI officer
* Says Osama funded Sharif to help dismiss PPP govt
* Calls Bin Laden a ‘great man’

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: A former official of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) has said that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif met Osama Bin Laden and received funds from him.

“Nawaz Sharif met Osama Bin Laden on at least three occasions and was desperately seeking his financial assistance,” Khalid Khawaja told news website Adnkronos International (AKI) in an interview on Sunday.

Khawaja, a retired officer of the Pakistan Air Force who was in the ISI in the late 80s, rejected a recent denial by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz that its leader had sought political cooperation from Bin Laden in the last. “Osama is above all this politicking,” said Khawaja. “He is a great man and will remain great.”

Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal President Qazi Hussain Ahmed had said in a recent interview that Sharif had repeatedly met Bin Laden, who had offered him money to topple the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) government in 1990.

Khawaja, who developed a friendship with Bin Laden while fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 80s, told AKI that the Al Qaeda head wanted the “secular” PPP government overthrown to ensure that Pakistan continued supporting the Afghan “jihad”. Khawaja said that Bin Laden gave him funds which he personally delivered to Sharif, AKI reported. “Sharif insisted that I arrange a direct meeting with the ‘sheikh’, which I did in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz met Osama thrice in Saudi Arabia,” Khawaja said.

He said that the most “historic” meeting between the two men was held at the Green Palace Hotel in Madina. “Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to ‘jihad in Kashmir’. Nawaz immediately said: ‘I love jihad.’ Osama smiled, and … said. ‘Yes, you may love jihad, but your love for jihad is this much,’ pointing to a small portion of a nearby pillar. ‘Your love for your children is this much,’ he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. ‘And your love for your parents is this much,’ he continued, pointing towards the largest portion.

Khawaja said that such arguments were “beyond the comprehension” of Sharif, who kept asking “Manya key nai manya? (Has he agreed or not?)”.

The former premier was hoping for a grant of Rs 500 million. Although Bin Laden gave a smaller amount, Khawaja said that he arranged for Sharif to meet the Saudi royal family, which pledged political support for him and kept its word until he was dislodged by President Pervez Musharraf in 1999, AKI reported. In fact, it was the royal family that secured Sharif’s pardon and exile to Saudi Arabia.

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Osama offered to buy votes for Nawaz: Qazi (Dawn, 19 March 2006)

ISLAMABAD, March 18: Jamaat-i-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed has revealed that Osama bin Laden had offered to buy loyalties of legislators to see Mian Nawaz Sharif as prime minister. In an interview appearing in the magazine of an Urdu newspaper on Sunday, Qazi Hussain Ahmed said that Osama had visited the JI headquarters Mansoora and wanted to strike an agreement with the Jamaat but the suggestion was declined by him.

Excerpts of the interview were published by the newspaper on Saturday.

Qazi said he had met Osama several times in the past.

However, the JI on Saturday clarified that meetings between the JI amir and Osama in Peshawar and Lahore were held in days when the Al Qaeda leader was staying in Peshawar.

Recalling political events that took place when Mr Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League and JI were components of the then Islami Jamhoori Ittehad, Qazi said Osama was a big supporter of IJI and Nawaz Sharif and wanted to see him Pakistan’s prime minister.

“Bin Laden was prepared to pay for buying parliamentarians’ votes to achieve this objective,” said Qazi Hussain Ahmed, who also heads the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal.

He said a delegation sent by Osama had visited him in Peshawar and conveyed that they wanted cooperation from JI but “we declined the request”.

In a statement issued on Saturday, a JI spokesman said that excerpts from interview were published in the daily and presented on a private TV channel in such a manner that they were creating confusion in the minds of people.—PPI

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Osama was eager to see Sharif as premier: Qazi (Daily Times, 19 March 2006)

LAHORE: Osama Bin Laden, the chief of Al Qaeda, was eager to see Nawaz Sharif as the prime minister of Pakistan, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) president and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) chief, has said.

In an interview with daily Jang’s Sunday Magazine, Qazi said that Bin Laden visited Mansoora and was willing to buy parliamentarians’ loyalties to ensure Nawaz Sharif’s election as prime minister. Bin Laden said that if there was a way to buy votes, he was willing to pay for them, Qazi said. “He was a big supporter of Islami Jamhoori Ittehad and Nawaz Sharif,” he said. The JI chief said that he met Bin Laden several times, adding that he (Osama) visited the JI headquarters in Mansoora. Qazi said that bin Laden was also interested in a deal with the JI, which he (Qazi) declined. He said that a delegation sent by Bin Laden visited Peshawar to meet him (Qazi), adding that they wanted co-operation from the JI, but we declined the request. “We refused on the grounds that we could not make any agreement with someone who did not have a homeland and who was himself unsafe in Afghanistan.

He said Bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11 as such an act was beyond him. nni

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Osama never met Nawaz: PML-N (Dawn, 20 March 2006)

ISLAMABAD, March 19: PML-N Information Secretary Siddiqul Farooq has said Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden never met Nawaz Sharif nor they ever talked about any political cooperation. He was talking to journalists in Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) secretariat on Sunday with reference to an interview of Qazi Hussain Ahmad.

“I want to keep it on record that US intelligence agencies, the then Pakistani government, ISI and other secret agencies of Pakistan, Afghan Mujahideen, several religious parties including Jamaat-i-Islami and Osama bin Laden were jointly fighting to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviet occupation.

Osama was a highly dignified person in the eyes of others and the US at that time. Later, differences developed between Osama and the US on the issue of Afghanistan and now they stand adversaries to each other.

Nawaz Sharif has no relevance to this situation”, Mr Farooq said.

As far as the disclosure made by Mr Ahmad about his meeting with Osama at Mansoora and that Osama wanted to see Sharif as prime minister and purchase loyalties of assembly members for this purpose, it was his personal wish, he said.

“This is an undeniable fact that Nawaz Sharif’s politics has been revolving around the protection of interests of Pakistan and its people over the past 23 years,” he said. —Online

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Sharif met Bin Laden three times, says ex-ISI official
From our correspondent

22 March 2006 (Khaleej Times)

ISLAMABAD — A former official of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) has said that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif met Osama bin Laden and received funds from him.

“Nawaz Sharif met Osama bin Laden on at least three occasions and was desperately seeking his financial assistance,” Khalid Khawaja told news web site Adnkronos International (AKI) in an interview.

Khawaja, a retired officer of the Pakistan Air Force who was in the ISI in the late 80s, rejected a recent denial by the Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) that its leader had ever met Osama. “Osama is above all this politicking,” said Khawaja.

“He is a great man and will remain great.”

Muttahida Majlise Amal President Qazi Hussain Ahmed had said in a recent interview that Sharif had repeatedly met Bin Laden, who had offered him money to topple the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) government in 1990.

Khawaja, who developed a friendship with Bin Laden while fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 80s, told AKI that the Al Qaeda head wanted the “secular” PPP government overthrown to ensure that Pakistan continued supporting the Afghan ‘jihad’. Khawaja said that Bin Laden gave him funds which he personally delivered to Sharif, AKI reported.

“Sharif insisted that I arrange a direct meeting with the ‘sheikh’ which I did in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz met Osama thrice in Saudi Arabia,” Khawaja said.

He said that the most “historic” meeting between the two men was held at the Green Palace Hotel in Madinah.

“Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to ‘jihad’ in Kashmir. Nawaz immediately said: ‘I love jihad’.” “Osama smiled, and said. ‘Yes, you may love jihad, but your love for jihad is this much,’ pointing to a small portion of a nearby pillar.

“Your love for your children is this much,” he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. “And your love for your parents is this much, he continued, pointing towards the largest portion.”

Khawaja said that such arguments were “beyond the comprehension” of Sharif, who kept asking “Manya key nai manya? (Has he agreed or not?)”.

The former premier was hoping for a grant of Rs500 million. Although Bin Laden gave a smaller amount, Khawaja said that he arranged for Sharif to meet the Saudi royal family, which pledged political support for him and kept its word until he was dislodged by President Pervez Musharraf in 1999, AKI reported.
“In fact, it was the royal family that secured Sharif’s pardon and exile to Saudi Arabia.

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Nawaz Sharif met Osama three times: former ISI official

Daily Times Monitor (23 June 2005)

LAHORE: Khalid Khawaja, a former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) official who was dismissed from the service by the late Gen Ziaul Haq because of his outspoken nature, has said former prime minister Nawaz Sharif met Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden thrice in Saudi Arabia.

In an interview to Asia Times Online on Wednesday, he said, “After Gen Zia’s death in a plane crash (1988), elections were announced and there was a possibility that the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) led by Benazir Bhutto would win, which would be a great setback for the cause of the Afghan jihad against the USSR. The situation was discussed and all the mujahideen thought that they should play a role in blocking the PPP from winning the elections. I joined my former DG Hamid Gul and played a role in forming the then Islamic Democratic Alliance consisting of the Pakistan Muslim League and the Jamaat-e-Islami. The PPP won the elections by a thin margin and faced a strong opposition.”

Asian Times Online quoted Khalid as saying that Osama provided him with funds, which he handed over to Nawaz Sharif, then the chief minister of Punjab (and later premier), to dislodge Benazir Bhutto.

“Nawaz Sharif insisted that I arrange a direct meeting with the Osama, which I did in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz met thrice with Osama in Saudi Arabia. The most historic was the meeting in the Green Palace Hotel in Medina between Nawaz Sharif, Osama and myself. Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to “jihad in Kashmir”. Nawaz immediately said, ‘I love jihad.’ Osama smiled, and then stood up from his chair and went to a nearby pillar and said, ‘Yes, you may love jihad, but your love for jihad is this much.’ He then pointed to a small portion of the pillar. ‘Your love for children is this much,’ he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. ‘And your love for your parents is this much,’ he continued, pointing towards the largest portion. ‘I agree that you love jihad, but this love is the smallest in proportion to your other affections in life.’”

It quoted Khalid as saying these sorts of arguments were beyond Nawaz Sharif’s comprehension and he kept asking him ‘agreed or not’?

“Nawaz Sharif was looking for a Rs 500 million grant from Osama. Though Osama gave a comparatively smaller amount, the landmark thing he secured for Nawaz Sharif was a meeting with the (Saudi) royal family, which gave Nawaz Sharif a lot of political support, and it remained till he was dislodged (as premier) by Gen Pervez Musharraf (in a coup in 1999). Saudi Arabia arranged for his release and his safe exit to Saudi Arabia,” he told Asia Times online.

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This is what the coordinator of Defence of human rights orgaization Khalid Khawaja has to say about Nawaz Sharif

From Italy’s Adnkronos International, via Militant Islam Monitor:

Former Pakistani PM met Bin Laden discussed Jihad – says ex intelligence agent

March 22, 2006

Karachi, 20 March (AKI) – (Syed Saleem Shahzad) –

Former Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif did meet al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at least three times in order to get financial help, according to Khalid Khawaja, the former official with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Khawaja, once a close friend of Osama bin Laden, rejected the statements by a spokesperson for Sharif’s political party, denying that Sharif had sought political cooperation from bin Laden in the past.

“Nawaz Sharif met Osama Bin Laden on at least three occasions and was desperately seeking his financial assistance,” Khawaja told in response to recent news reports regarding a possible meeting between the two.

In an interview with a national Urdu daily, Qazi Hussain Ahmad, the leader of the largest Islamic party in Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), and of the six party religious alliance MMA, said that Nawaz had repeatedly met Osama bin Laden who offered him money to buy the loyalties of parlimentarians in the late 1980s in order to topple the government of then prime minister Benazir Bhutto. Ahmad also said that bin Laden was a big supporter of Nawaz Sharif’s bid to be prime minister in 1990.

“Osama is above all this politicking,” said Khawaja. “He is a great man and will remain great. Even if Nawaz Sharif’s party refuse to admit a contact between Osama and Nawaz, it will not change the facts which were witnessed by many people including Khayyam Qaisar (Nawaz Sharif’s personal staff officer) and myself,” Khalid Khawaja maintained.

Khalid Khawaja is a retired squadron leader of the Pakistan Air Force who was an official in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the ISI, in the mid 1980s. After he wrote a critical letter to General Zia ul-Haq, who ruled Pakistan from 1977 till 1988, in which he labeled Zia as hypocrite, he was removed from the ISI and forced to retire from the airforce.

He then went straight to Afghanistan in 1987 and fought against the Soviets along side with Osama Bin Laden, developing a relationship of firm friendship and trust.

Khalid Khawaja’s name resurfaced when US reporter Daniel Pearl was abducted and subsequently killed. Pearl had come to Pakistan and met Khalid Khawaja in order to investigate the jihadi network of revered sufi, Syed Mubarak Ali Gailani.

“Actually the situation needs to be understood from very beginning as everybody has got the facts intermingled” Khawaja maintained.

“Soon after the plane crash of then President General Ziaul Haq in August 1988, I was fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The biggest challenge before us was to save Afghan Jihad as in the post-Zia period the victory of the secular Pakistan Peoples Party was like writing on the wall.”

“So initially a few Pakistanis, including myself, planned an alliance which would be dominated by Islamic parties and also include the moderate Pakistan Muslim League. We wanted clear domination of hardline religious parties so that moderate Muslim League would not deviate from the cause of Jihad,” Khawaja asserted.

“A businessman, Tanveer Sheikh, Dr Adil of Jamia Farooqia, Karachi and myself were the three person who initiated this task. Tanveer Sheikh provided the seed money and we established an office in a bungalow in an upmarket neighborhood of Karachi.

“At that time we had zero percent support from ISI. Though they knew of our plan and we both used to exchange notes as well” he said.

“We had meetings with all top religious figures ranging from Mufti Rafi Usmani to Maulana Fazlur Rehman and finally brought them together under the umbrella of Muttahida Ulema Council (United Islamic Scholars Council).”

“However, the irony of this situation was that when all there was a ground-swell for a broader Islamic alliance the ISI hijacked the whole plan and deviated partners into IJI (Islamic Democratic Alliance).

Even then, Khawaja said, they did not give up and tried to outwit Benazir Bhutto . We met Altaf Hussain of MQM and he agreed to vote against Benazir Bhutto, then we tried to cut a deal between Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Nawaz Sharif. Nawaz was ready to give a big share to Fazl in power but Fazl insisted on premiership. As a result of these differences, Benazir Bhutto prevailed and with a very simple majority formed her government in 1989″ Khawaja recalled.

“Now after Benazir Bhutto formed her government and the opposition parties moved for a vote of no-confidence, Osama Bin Laden comes in a picture,” Khawaja recalled.

“However, let it be clear that Osama is Mujahid. His aim was not to manipulate Pakistani politics. His whole life revolves around the cause of Jihad” he said.

“I still remember that Osama bin Laden provided me with funds, which I handed over to Nawaz Sharif, then the chief minister of Punjab [and later premier], to dislodge Benazir Bhutto. Nawaz Sharif insisted that I arrange a direct meeting with the “Sheikh”, which I did in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz met thrice with Osama in Saudi Arabia. ”

The most historic was the meeting in the Green Palace Hotel in Medina between Nawaz Sharif, Osama and myself, Khayyam Qaiser is the witness for that meeting in which Khayyem, the personal staff officer tried to take a photograph but Osama’s friends there stopped him.

Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to “jihad in Kashmir”. Nawaz immediately said, “I love jihad.” Osama smiled, and then stood up from his chair and went to a nearby pillar and said. “Yes, you may love jihad, but your love for jihad is this much.” He then pointed to a small portion of the pillar. “Your love for children is this much,” he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. “And your love for your parents is this much,” he continued, pointing towards the largest portion. “I agree that you love jihad, but this love is the smallest in proportion to your other affections in life.”

These sorts of arguments were beyond Nawaz Sharif’s comprehension and he kept asking me. “Manya key nai manya?” [Agreed or not?] He was looking for a grant of 500 million rupee [US 8.4 million dollars at today’s rate]. Though Osama gave a comparatively smaller amount, the landmark thing he secured for Nawaz Sharif was a meeting with the [Saudi] royal family, which gave Nawaz Sharif a lot of political support, and it remained till he was dislodged [as premier] by General Pervez Musharraf [in a coup in 1999]. Saudi Arabia arranged for his release and his safe exit to Saudi Arabia,”

“Now with these immortal accounts secured in my memory I see the denials published in newspapers, that Nawaz had nothing to do with Osama, and I think “how can people forget their mentors?”. Nawaz proudly said that he is friend of US president Bill Clinton and but denies his association with a revered holy figure like Osama Bin Laden,” Khalid Khawaja concluded

Or maybe this

Osama-Nawaz ties to haunt PML-N

Amir Mir
Wednesday, May 11, 2011

LAHORE: Interior Minister Rehman Malik’s outburst against the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) in the National Assembly, saying the party had become an orphan after the death of Osama bin Laden who used to finance Nawaz Sharif in the past, has dusted off an old controversy, which is set to blemish the PML-N leadership.

In fact, it was way back on April 30, 1999 that the slain PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto had accused Osama bin Laden, Mian Nawaz Sharif and a corps commander of toppling her first government in early 1990s. “Bin Laden financed an operation to topple me in cooperation with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistani intelligence services,” she had stated in an interview with the London-based al-Hayat newspaper. “Ramzi Yussef (implicated in the 1993 New York World Trade Centre bombing) tried to assassinate me on two occasions in 1993 to facilitate Nawaz Sharif’s rise to power. Yussef admitted to Pakistani investigators before his extradition to the United States that it was his duty to assassinate me, only because I was a woman in charge of the government,” she had added.

Almost 20 months later, Benazir repeated her allegations in more detail in an interview with Herald magazine on January 11, 2001. “Osama paid $10 million to overthrow my government during my first term. A serving Corps Commander held several meetings with PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif and Bin Laden to chalk out the plan to topple my government. Osama bin Laden was told that a woman in the prime minister’s position in an Islamic country was against Islam and so he should give them money to overthrow her. Nawaz Sharif told bin Laden he would bring Islam to Pakistan.” “No one had heard of Osama Bin Laden at that time, neither had me. He has become famous now. He would be sitting there and interfering with the government’s work,” Bhutto said and added that Osama also paid $10 million to a PPP member [of the National Assembly] to finance the no-confidence motion against her government, but they had voted against the motion. However, the then ameer of the Jamaat-e-Islami, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, was the first Pakistani politician to have endorsed the allegation levelled against Osama and Nawaz Sharif by Benazir Bhutto, almost five years later. In an interview with Suhail Warraich that had appeared in the daily Jang on March 18, 2006, Qazi Hussain Ahmed said Bin Laden visited Mansoora and was willing to buy parliamentarians’ loyalties to ensure Nawaz Sharif’s election as prime minister. “Osama bin Laden said that if there was a way to buy votes [to topple Benazir Bhutto’s government and to bring Nawaz Sharif into power], he was willing to pay for them. Osama was a big supporter of the Islami Jamhoori Ittehad and Nawaz Sharif, who was the IJI president at that time,” Qazi Hussain Ahmed had added in his interview.

However, PML-N Information Secretary Siddiqul Farooq had rejected Qazi’s claim at that time, saying that Osama bin Laden never met Nawaz Sharif nor they ever talked about any political cooperation. “I want to keep it on record that American intelligence agencies, the then Pakistani government, the Inter Services Intelligence and other secret agencies, the Afghan Mujahideen, several religio-political parties including the Jamaat-e-Islami and Osama bin Laden were jointly fighting to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviet occupation. Bin Laden was a highly dignified person in the eyes of the US at that time. Later, differences developed between Osama and the US on the issue of Afghanistan and now they stand adversaries to each other. But Nawaz Sharif has no relevance to this situation,” Farooq said.

About Qazi Hussain’s claim that Osama wanted to see Nawaz Sharif as prime minister and was ready to buy loyalties of assembly members for this purpose, Siddiqul Farooq said: “It was Osama’s personal desire. And remember, Nawaz Sharif’s politics has been revolving around preserving and promoting the interests of Pakistan and its people”.

On March 21, 2006, hardly two days after Qazi Hussain Ahmed’s interview was published, a former ISI official Khalid Khwaja, who was considered close to Osama bin Laden, alleged that Nawaz Sharif had met Osama bin Laden and received funds from him to topple rival Benazir Bhutto’s government. “Let me tell you, Nawaz Sharif met Osama bin Laden on at least three occasions and was desperately seeking financial assistance to topple the Bhutto government,” Khalid Khwaja had told a Hong Kong-based web newspaper Asia Times Online in an interview which was also reported by Adnkronos International (AKI) on March 22, 2006. Killed in April 2010 after being kidnapped by Taliban militants, Khalid Khwaja, a retired officer of the Pakistan Air Force who was in the ISI in the late 80s, rejected a recent denial by the PML-N that its leader had only sought political cooperation from Bin Laden. Khwaja said the al-Qaeda head wanted the secular PPP government overthrown to ensure that Pakistan continued supporting the Afghan jehad. Khwaja claimed that Bin Laden gave him funds, which he personally delivered to Nawaz Sharif. Giving a graphic account, he said Nawaz wanted to have a direct meeting with the Sheikh, which ‘I arranged in Saudi Arabia’. Nawaz met Osama thrice in Saudi Arabia. The most historic meeting between the two men was held at the Green Palace Hotel in Madinah. Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to jehad in Kashmir. Nawaz immediately said: “I love jehad”. Osama smiled, and said: ‘Yes, you may love jehad, but your love for jehad is this much’, pointing to a small portion of a nearby pillar. “Your love for your children is this much,” he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. “And your love for your parents is this much,” he continued, pointing towards the largest portion. Khwaja said such arguments were beyond the comprehension of Nawaz Sharif, who kept asking, in Punjabi, ‘Manya key nai manya?’ (Has he agreed or not to pay money?).

Going by Khalid Khwaja’s claim, Nawaz Sharif was hoping for a grant of Rs500 million. Although Bin Laden gave a smaller amount, Khwaja said he arranged for Sharif to meet the Saudi royal family, which had pledged political support for him and kept its word until he was dislodged by Musharraf in 1999. “It was the royal family that secured Sharif’s pardon and exile to Saudi Arabia,” he reminded. “Now with these immortal accounts secured in my memory, I see the denials in newspapers, that Nawaz had nothing to do with Osama, and I think how can people forget their mentors,” Khwaja added.

The alleged links between Osama and Nawaz Sharif were once again highlighted by the British author and journalist Simon Reeves in his book titled “The New Jackals: Ramzi Yousaf, Osama bin Laden and the future of terrorism”, which was published in September 2009. Simon also claimed that Bin Laden not only sponsored the election campaign of the former prime minister and PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif in 1988, but paid him large sums of money to ensure protection of al-Qaeda operatives in Pakistan and to ‘Islamise’ the state and society. According to Simon Reeves, the ABC News also confirmed the same incident of payoff by quoting former FBI agent Jack Cloonan who used to interrogate one of the key al-Qaeda operatives in US custody, Ali Muhammad. Cloonan, who is currently working as an ABC News consultant, claimed that Ali had once told him that Osama paid Nawaz’s representatives $1 million for not cracking down on the militants in the Frontier Province. The book further states that after re-establishing al-Qaeda, one of Osama’s first actions was to try and guarantee the security of his men living in Pakistani refugee camps by throwing money at the election campaign of Sharif, ‘an energetic Pakistani politician’ standing for the election of Prime Minister. According to Simon Reeves, Nawaz Sharif had received the money from Osama with a promise to convert Pakistan into a strict Islamic state. An American website – History Commons – has not only confirmed Cloonan’s claim but has also mentioned another book by Scott-Clark and Levy, claiming that General Hameed Gul had contacted Osama Bin Laden who was then known to provide financial support to the Afghan mujahideen, to pay for a coup and assassination of the late Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. However, the central secretary information of the Nawaz-led PML-N, Ahsan Iqbal has strongly rejected all these claims as a pack of lies.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=5923&Cat=13&dt=5/11/2011

- May 14, 2011

 

[fatman17]

 

[Guvera]

Shoaib Suddle & Justice retd. Javed iqbal

 

[Farah Sohail]

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Shoaib Suddle is the best choice.. But we know, he wont be selected

 

[Arsalan]

What's the mood like there?

Gloomy! On both sides!

Sir aap apni khuwahishaat riskshaw k peche likhwa len.

Lakin aapnr hasbe mamool kaha nahi. Inshallah sab behtar hojaega?

I just dont want to live in fantasy world dear!!
Man up and change the system or be keep trying(whatever little you can)/hoping for the best. These are the only two options. At least i am devotedly following the second one. How are things at your end?

 

[Dil Pakistan]

AFTAB SULTAN ....

 

[Realistic Change]

We might be in for a very BIG surprise....all I can share is; it is least expected one!

 

[Farah Sohail]

We might be in for a BIG surprise, which most (including Nawaz and his disciples) aren’t/weren’t expecting from PA.

Hoping for some pleasant surprise on the legal front...from judiciary... I am most concerrned regarding fate of NAB references ..against sharif family...... Mujhe tu lag raha hai ke sharif family ke against cases chal hi nahi sakein ge.. Indictment bhi nahi hosakay gi...... Conviction ya acquittal tu baad ki baat hai

Regarding army....lets see.....not very hopeful though

 

[newb3e]

Panama keh case may Pakistani awaam ki nazrain Army ki taraf kyon hain? kia ya courts ka kaam nai keh mujrim ko sazza di jaye?