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When i talk about arabs i don’t mean the whole arab population i talking strictly about minority who clearly hate turks due to complex issues (to be fair there are also turks who hate arabs for racist reasons I AM NOT ONE OF THEM FOR SURE) and their (treacherous) rulersEvery time an empire collapse, groups get created... it's not new with Ottomans... was the same with previous Khalifats...
Ottomans also abandoned lands to Western forces, like in North Africa... where The Europeans endup Killed A quarter of it's population... and did what a colonizator did for a hundred year till independence...
That's why the generation of my great grand father-grand father do not hold very "Good" views toward Ottomans and their Beys... They are seen as Traitors and people who enjoyed their "Statut" but when Europe came they rapidly runaway / surrender easily... and let the people fight with sticks and stone...
As for Crusaders time... you should read about it... it's very interesting...
Therefore... History is not black and white... NO ONE is clean of mischief... No your ancestors neither Mine... Each side can find the wrong in the other...
Now... if you or any Arab want to keep re-use/misuse History without clearly knowing/acknowledging all it's sides... hten so be it... But it's in our current day and age... USELESS... Even less when the other side Don't GIVE A SH*T is you are Turk or Arab or whatnot... but only see "ISLAM"... something they wish to destroy...
Their rulers are bad for arabs themselves so i think there’s no point discussing them
You are right there were european-turkish alliances but to say that we have abandoned north africa this is not true everything was lost after war nothing was given to europeans free of charge ottomans have lost the war in north africa and unfortunately the consequences were extremely big for muslims there still the state managed to stay for another 150-200 years actually muslims have “luck” because if the ottoman state was destroyed in 1800 the europeans would’ve wiped out all muslims in middle east balkans and north africa the collapse happened after ww1 still the consequences are disastrous but at least you me and other muslims inhabiting these regions still exist (we all know that usually it takes about 200 years for europeans to do demographic change for better understanding you can always look to indians in america how they perished in only 200 years)
i will repeat you again why i am furious about 1915 it is not the act itself it is the consequences for turks as a nation do you actually understand how easily today the word turk wouldn’t existed do you know what would armenians and greeks have done to turks(and other muslims in anatolia) if the were allowed state? I will tell you they would have killed 90% of turks the rest(10%) would have been “peacefully converted”!!!
It is true that europeans have complex issues with islam but they have TURKISH inferiority issue they cannot stand the fact that we have successfully “penetrated” europe(maybe i can use softer words but i am intentionally saying “penetrated” because not only we have conquered their territory but also their women as well- this “achievement” was only done by turks to europeans and they cannot accept this fact that hurts their “pride”)
Anyway the arab-west alliance has brought us(muslims) the current state of affairs maybe turks also collaborated with europeans but there’s difference we did it for advancing our interest/state they(arabs) did for advancing western interests