Palestinian drives car into Israeli soldiers

[RazPaK]

He is a Pakistani. Not an Arab. Typical illeterate Punjabi behavior.

Caucasian are another word for the White race clown. As defined by racialists. Go read the article or open a dictionary instead of embarrassing yourself further for all to see.

You must be dumb. The Arabian Peninsula is home to older civilizations and towns than anything in Caucasus and was the first inhabited place on the planet after Africa. Try again my South Asian friend.

Who cares? They have no relation with any Europeans and there is nothing called a Indo-European "race".

So you just admitted what I and historians say and what genetics show. Congratulations.

Actually we are all Semites and native to the ME so in that sense I am correct. There is nothing called 1 pure people anyway. The point is that a TINY minority of Jews, mostly from the Arab world, can lay any claim to kinship with ancient Semitic Hebrews. Genetic tests confirm this. One just have to open ones eyes.

In any case Palestinians as a people have a much bigger claim of being native to Palestine than most Israelis today. Which is also a fact which you can cry about all day long.

 

[al-Hasani]

Thats what I said from very beginning. There is a historical Sham, while divisions into Syria, Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon are purely artificial. And Sykes Picot divisions which is used to define Palestinians is the most artificial of all. Finally u got it.


Yep thnx again. Typical Semite has a Mediterranean look. Thats how Jews look as well.

Just like Israel is artificial. Even more so as it was created later according to your logic. Also it depends on how you look at it. Syria is not artificial in the sense that it is home to ancient civilizations that are tied to the land of Syria and the name of Syria is also millennium year old.

Talking about artificial in the ME, which is the cradle of civilization is moronic. Borders, empires, kingdoms, entities have changed always for centuries upon centuries long before England even existed as a entity.

Lebanon can be considered the inheritor state of the ancient Semitic Phoenicians. Phoenicia correspondents very much with modern-day Lebanon.

Jordan can be considered as an inheritor of Nabatea and other ancient Semitic civilizations. Borders were always artificial. Even in older times. The fact that we humans even have borders is artificial in itself.

Then why are you talking about Africans and Afro-Arabs who are obviously not native to the ME or Arab world but migrants due to settlements and the Arab and Ottoman Slave trade?

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Afro-Arab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You also have Black Jews from Uganda etc. Obviously a blind man can see that they are distinct from Jews native to the Arab world (ME basically) or those native to Central Asia or Eastern Europe for instance.

 

[Norwegian]

The point is that a TINY minority of Jews, mostly from the Arab world, can lay any claim to kinship with ancient Semitic Hebrews.

Jew originally meant someone from geographical region of Judea. It doesn't matter what religion. Could be pagan, Jewish, atheist as long you can trace your roots back to Judea, you are a Jew. Certainly a convert cannot become a Jew, but follower of Mosaic Law or Judaism.
Who is a Judean? Who is a “Jew”? | The Hebrew Identity
A Jew Is A Judean

Converts to Judaism identify themselves as Judeans (logical fallacy), and thus claims to Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Since Arabs at most do not have that kind of philosophical thought power, they deny the facts and start chanting thiefs.

I am a Pakistani Hashemite.

No, you are an Arabized Pakistani of Al-Bakistan
Arabization of Pakistan: Bringing the desert home – The Express Tribune Blog

Just like Israel is artificial.

Israel is artificial? Whatever happened to 3000 year old Israelite history?
Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are extremely concerned for the yiddo's.

I am for the truth. If Arabs can have 22 independent nations throughout the Middle East, why can't Kurds, Syriacs, Druze, Jews have a single one, greedy Arabs?

 

[al-Hasani]

Jew originally meant someone from geographical region of Judea. It doesn't matter what religion. Could be pagan, Jewish, atheist as long you can trace your roots back to Judea, you are a Jew. Certainly a convert cannot become a Jew, but follower of Mosaic Law or Judaism.
Who is a Judean? Who is a “Jew”? | The Hebrew Identity
A Jew Is A Judean

Converts to Judaism identify themselves as Judeans, and thus claims to Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Since Arabs at most do not have that kind of philosophical thought power, they deny the facts and start chanting thiefs.


No, you are an Arabized Pakistani of Al-Bakistan
Arabization of Pakistan: Bringing the desert home – The Express Tribune Blog


Israel is artificial? Whatever happened to 3000 year old Israelite history?
Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am talking about the ethnicity here. That ethnicity is Hebrew/Israelite. Jew today has more to do with religion than any ethnicity. Everyone can see that. Unless you are going to tell me that a Ethiopian, Ugandan, Uzbek, Polish and Yemeni Jew share the same origins despite being native to 3 distinct continents.

Complete and utter nonsense. Most of the Jews present today are descendants of converts and not ancient Hebrews/Israelites. Genetic tests have confirmed this a long time ago. This is also why Yemeni Jews and Yemeni Muslims for instance are identical. Same with Egyptian Jews and Muslims etc. Care to explain that? You can't.

The modern-day borders of Israel are as artificial as the other nearby countries that he is crying about according to his logic. All the historical regions I mentioned and countries have a history far longer than 3000 years.

Jews are not even native to Israel. They claim to be from modern-day Iraq and earlier civilizations existed on the lands of Israel than the Israelites/Hebrews.

Ever heard about Canaanites for instance? Probably not unless googling it after reading this post.

Please do yourself a favor and don't discuss Arab/Semitic/ME history with me. I am an expert compared to the rest of you here.

 

[Norwegian]

I am talking about the ethnicity here. That ethnicity is Hebrew/Israelite. Jew today has more to do with religion than any ethnicity.

LOL. You are really a troll! Jews never claim to be real ancestors of original Hebrews. Ashkenazim originated in Eastern Europe. Sephardim originated in Spanish Iberia. Mizrahim in the Middle East and so on. They say they trace their cultural, religious and social heritage to ancient Israelites of Judea, not their DNA! If you can't comprehend this fact, you are doomed.
Jewish ethnic divisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unless you are going to tell me that a Ethiopian, Ugandan, Uzbek, Polish and Yemeni Jew share the same origins despite being native to 3 distinct continents.

They do. They are bounded by faith, social customs, traditions and history. Almost every Jew can trace back his / her heritage to Judea from their maternal side.

The modern-day borders of Israel are as artificial as the other nearby countries that he is crying about according to his logic.

Not as artificial as of Iraq and Syria being violated by ISIS terrorists. Borders of Israel have never been recognized or finalized and you never how much more Israel would take in the future from nearby feral states

KEEP TELLING YOURSELF. I am not a Syed like half of the Murtad Barelvi claim in Pakistan and India.

Not me either

 

[syedali73]

Well-done Palestinian martyr. Apartheid Zionists drive into oppressed Palestinians what they have access to, bullets, bombs, and missiles, and the oppressed Palestinians drive into apartheid Zionists what they have got, the cars. The difference is though, Palestinian target on-duty state-sponsored murderers/terrorists (every Israeli is a trained soldier, the difference is on-the-duty or off-the duty, hence no Israeli (minus minors) is innocent civilian), whereas Zionist murderers/terrorists kill oppressed/occupied Palestinians indiscriminately.

Salute to each and every Palestinians for standing tall in the middle of world's oldest and largest concentration camp.

 

[Norwegian]

Well-done Palestinian martyr. Apartheid Zionists drive into oppressed Palestinians what they have access to, that is bombs and missiles, and the oppressed Palestinians drive into apartheid Zionists what they have got, the cars. The difference is though, Palestinian target on-duty state-sponsored murderers/terrorists (every Israeli is a trained soldier, the difference is on-the-duty or off-the duty, hence no Israeli (minus minors) is innocent civilian), whereas Zionist murderers/terrorists kill oppressed/occupied Palestinians indiscriminately.

Salute to each and every Palestinians for standing tall in the middle of world's oldest and largest concentration camp.

Total BS! These are Arabs from East Jerusalem who have Israeli residency cards, work in Israeli firms, and then go on killing spree against the same people who feed them. Look at the Islamic paradise they have created in Gaza under the divine leadership of Hamas

 

[al-Hasani]

LOL. You are really a troll! Jews never claim to be real ancestors of original Hebrews. Ashkenazim originated in Eastern Europe. Sephardim originated in Spanish Iberia. Mizrahim in the Middle East and so on. They say they trace their cultural, religious and social heritage to ancient Israelites of Judea, not their DNA! If you can't comprehend this fact, you are doomed.
Jewish ethnic divisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


They do. They are bounded by faith, social customs, traditions and history. Almost every Jew can trace back his / her heritage to Judea from their maternal side.


Not as artificial as of Iraq and Syria being violated by ISIS terrorists. Borders of Israel have never been recognized or finalized and you never how much more Israel would take in the future from nearby feral states


Not me either

Stop acting like a clown and stop teaching an expert and native of the ME the basics when I am a few hundred levels above that. It seems to me that the complexity of this discussion is too much for you to handle although it is rather simple.

We are talking about DNA here as this is closely tied to actual ancestry and this discussion which was about Palestinians not existing as a people (LOL) and Jews (read modern-day Israelis) being more native to what is not Israel than the native Palestinians. Do you understand this? Do you also understand that this is the main argument of the Zionists? Namely that they have ancestral ties to what is now Israel while in reality this is not the case for most of them. Are you still there this long in the process?

Also you don't have to tell me that all of those distinct people are claiming to be Jews. I am not interested in that just like I am not interested about Muslims in connection with ancestry as that is not a people in the sense of being an ethnicity.

So you decided to troll when successfully countered. Pathetic. Mesopotamia as well as Syria (Sham) are much older than the notion of Israel. Come again. Just like Arabia is. Just like Egypt is.

@RazPaK

Is this Norwegian tool really a Pakistani and Punjabi? Deal with your compatriot. He is either high on something or just drunk.

 

[syedali73]

Total BS! These are Arabs from East Jerusalem who have Israeli residency cards, work in Israeli firms, and then go on killing spree against the same people who feed them. Look at the Islamic paradise they have created in Gaza under the divine leadership of Hamas

Actually it is your statement that is total bullshit. It is easy to say this while enjoying the comfort that has been provided to you. Move your freakin ***, go to Palestine, live, and earn like they do as per your statement, and then tell who is feeding who, and who has created what and where. Amazed to see your ignorance and obliviousness.

 

[Norwegian]

We are talking about DNA here as this is closely tied to actual ancestry and this discussion which was about Palestinians not existing as a people (LOL) and Jews (read modern-day Israelis) being more native to what is not Israel than the native Palestinians. Do you understand this? Do you also understand that this is the main argument of the Zionists? Namely that they have ancestral ties to what is now Israel while in reality this is not the case for most of them. Are you still there this long in the process?

Israeli is a fake national identity just like Palestinian is an artificial identity given to natives of this region first by Romans and later by the British:
Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Before the Jewish revolt against Romans, this region was called Judea:

Following the suppression of Bar Kokhba's revolt, the emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province toSyria Palaestina and Jerusalem became Aelia Capitolina which Hayim Hillel Ben-Sasson states was done to erase the historical ties of the Jewish people to the region.

Under Diocletian (284-305) the region was divided into Palaestina Prima (Judea, Samaria, Idumea, Peraea and the coastal plain with Caesarea as capital), Palaestina Secunda (Galilee, Decapolis, Golan with Beth-shean as capital) and Palaestina Tertia (the Negev with Petra as capital).

Judea (Roman province) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also you don't have to tell me that all those distinct people are claiming to be Jews. I am not interested in that just like I am not interested about Muslims in connection with ancestry as that is not a people in the sense of being an ethnicity.

We are still part of the same Islamic Ummah, despite so many Muslim nationalities of different ethnicities, aren't we? When our Al-Aqsa Mosque is torched or when our beloved prophet (SAW) is depicted in cartoons, we riot and protest as ONE nation, despite being scattered in unlimited sects and groups all over the world!
You can compare Zionism with the concept of Ummah, where every Zionist Jew is free to return to his traditional roots that is Judea, just like every Muslim is allowed to visit Mecca no matter if he is Chinese or Moroccan of ethnicity!

So you decided to troll when successfully countered. Pathetic. Mesopotamia as well as Syria (Sham) are much older than the notion of Israel. Come again. Just like Arabia is. Just like Egypt is.

Ancient Kingdom of Israel is at least 3000 years old, fool! Long before Islam or Arabs.

Actually it is your statement that is total bullshit. It is easy to say this while enjoying the comfort that has been provided to you. Move your ***, go to Palestine, live, and earn like they do as per your statement, and then tell who is feeding who and is created what and where. Amazed to see your ignorance and obliviousness.

Its all Palestinian leadership's own fault. Any idea how many opportunities of permanent peace they got all these decades? Instead they wasted it on destroying Israel. LOL

Is this Norwegian tool really a Pakistani and Punjabi? Deal with your compatriot. He is either high on something or just drunk.

I do not hate peaceful Palestinians. Most of them are just ordinary people forced to live under Israeli apartheid. But is this all Israel's fault? What happened to the Palestinian leadership's responsibility?

 

[al-Hasani]

Israeli is a fake national identity just like Palestinian is an artificial identity given to natives of this region first by Romans and later by the British:
Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Before the Jewish revolt against Romans, this region was called Judea:

Judea (Roman province) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We are still part of the same Islamic Ummah, despite so many Muslim nationalities of different ethnicities, aren't we? When our Al-Aqsa Mosque is torched or when our beloved prophet (SAW) is depicted in cartoons, we riot and protest as ONE nation, despite being scattered in unlimited sects and groups all over the world!
You can compare Zionism with the concept of Ummah, where every Zionist Jew is free to return to his traditional roots that is Judea, just like every Muslim is allowed to visit Mecca no matter if he is Chinese or Moroccan of ethnicity!


Ancient Kingdom of Israel is at least 3000 years old, fool! Long before Islam or Arabs.


Its all Palestinian leadership's own fault. Any idea how many opportunities of permanent peace they got all these decades? Instead they wasted it on destroying Israel. LOL

Quit the trolling. Let me pick another of your nonsense apart for all to see.

Thanks for confirming what I am saying and for drowning in your own nonsense. You can't see the ends met at all it seems.

No it was called Canaan. Fail again.

I am talking about DNA and ethnicity here. Muslims are not an ethnicity.

Are you dumb? Arabs themselves are recorded almost precisely similarly to Jews. About 3000 years ago each. Yet several civilizations on the Arabian Peninsula are much older and predate the notion of Israel and Jew by MILLENNIUMS. Of course people now identifying as Arabs have the biggest claim to that as it were their ancestors.

One example being Dilmun in modern-day KSA and Bahrain.

Dilmun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another Magan in Oman;

Dozens in Yemen alone etc.

etc. etc. etc. etc.

Fact of the matter is that I have picked your nonsense arguments apart. I successfully explained to you that very few Jews have any ancestral ties to ancient Israel to which you hesitantly admitted later to only talk about Jew in the form of culture, customs etc. Just LOL.

Also that there is no difference between Yemeni Jews and Muslims and Egyptian Jews and Muslims etc. Destroying your notion of Hebrew migrations.

Later I also successfully showed that the notion of Israel is not older than that of other civilizations in what is now Israel and that Jews themselves historically claim to be from modern-day Iraq aside from a minority being native to what is now Israel.

Likewise I proved that all Arabs of today were Arabized at one point, including the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula, but that all share a fellow Semitic past and all of them can claim ancient civilizations on their land as they are native peoples.

Anyway why are you interfering in a discussion between two cousins (Arab and Jew)?

 

[Norwegian]

No it was called Canaan.

A name given where? Yes in Hebrew Bible first, loser:
Canaan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you dumb? Arabs themselves are recorded almost precisely similarly to Jews. About 3000 years ago each. Yet several civilizations on the Arabian Peninsula are much older and predate the notion of Israel and Jew by MILLENNIUMS. Of course people now identifying as Arabs have the biggest claim to that as it were their ancestors.

LOL. Why would Arabs have the biggest semitic claim when you at the same time admits that Jews or Judean are equally old?

Also that there is no difference between Yemeni Jews and Muslims and Egyptian Jews and Muslims etc. Destroying your notion of Hebrew migrations.

If there is no difference, why fight your own kind? Many Jews in Israel are not even religious. Would you fight those Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians etc who claim to have Jewish ancestry?

Later I also successfully showed that the notion of Israel is not older than that of other civilizations in what is now Israel and that Jews themselves historically claim to be from modern-day Iraq aside from a minority being native to what is now Israel.

OK. So now you admit every non-Arab group of the Middle East has a right for an independent state just like 22 Arab majority nations?

 

[al-Hasani]

A name given where? Yes in Hebrew Bible first, loser:
Canaan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


LOL. Why would Arabs have the biggest semitic claim when you at the same time admits that Jews or Judean are equally old?


If there is no difference, why fight your own kind? Many Jews in Israel are not even religious. Would you fight those Egyptians, Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians etc who claim to have Jewish ancestry?


OK. So now you admit every non-Arab group of the Middle East has a right for an independent state just like 22 Arab majority nations?

LOL. Are you using a religious book as a historical source? You do realize that it's called the Torah right? Which is about 2500 years old. Canaan is the name of a historical region. That region was part of Phoenicia.

Phoenicia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What are you now talking about? I am telling you that Arabs and Jews are both around 3000 years old (recorded history) but that we both (here I am talking about the ancient Hebrews and Israelites) have a older history than that which is bound in PREVIOUS Semitic civilizations. We just adopted various Semitic identities and mixed with each other and some outsiders too. Arabs did not appear from the sky but descended from earlier peoples. Why is this so hard to understand? Similarly with Jews and every other people.

I wrote that we are by far the biggest Semitic speaking peoples of today which is correct. Hell even look past the Semitic notion. According to actual genetic studies us inhabitants of the Arab world and in particular Western Asia have lived there since the first cities were built which are the first towns in the world. Byblos, Damascus, Babylon, Sana'a etc. etc. Meaning that we predate any notion of ethnicity. Our ancestors were the ones that created the first cities on the planet, introduced agriculture etc. in what is now the ME. From Neolithic times.

Why are you fighting against Indians? Would you fight against Indian Punjabis? They are now Jews. They identify as Jews. They are part of the oppression against the Palestinians. No I won't as I am not part of that conflict. I am a supporter of the Palestinians and their right for a homeland and I am against radical Zionists.

What are you talking about? What has that to do with what I wrote? I don't care about any other ethnic groups of the ME in this discussion as this discussion concerns the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I am for a two-state solution as this is the only solution nowadays.

 

[Norwegian]

I agreed with the rest of your post as I am aware of the fact that Arabs and Jews are very closely related cousins.

Why are you fighting against Indians? Would you fight against Indian Punjabis? They are now Jews. They identify as Jews. They are part of the oppression against the Palestinians. No I won't as I am not part of that conflict. I am a supporter of the Palestinians and their right for a homeland and I am against radical Zionists.

Who started this oppression? Who started reign of terror against immigration of Jews? Who violated famous Faisal-Weizmann agreement from WW1?
Faisal–Weizmann Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the only agreement of cooperation in history between Arabs and Jews where both parties actually recognized each other as equal! Yet it was never implemented, why?

What are you talking about? What has that to do with what I wrote? I don't care about any other ethnic groups of the ME in this discussion as this discussion concerns the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I am for a two-state solution as this is the only solution nowadays.

Two-state solution was what that Arabs rejected in 1947 when UN proposed it and majority of the world nations approved it, except your Arab League. Now its too late.

 

[al-Hasani]

I agreed with the rest of your post as I am aware of the fact that Arabs and Jews are very closely related cousins.


Who started this oppression? Who started reign of terror against immigration of Jews? Who violated famous Faisal-Weizmann agreement from WW1?
Faisal–Weizmann Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the only agreement in history between Arab and Jews where both parties actually recognized each other as equal? Yet it was never implemented, why?


Two-state solution was what that Arabs rejected in 1947 when UN proposed it and majority of the world nations approved it, except your Arab League. Now its too late.

Historically yes (read Hebrews and Israelites). Arab Jews and Arab Muslims? Similarly. Ugandan, Ethiopian, Uzbek and Eastern European Jews and Arabs? Not so much outside of a distant relationship.

Which oppression? Last time I checked it were Jewish migrants that took control of an area inhabited by Palestinians and not the other way around. Encouraged by the Brits that controlled that area of the world.

Back then the ME was a playground for the Europeans just like pretty much every other area of the world was. Arabs and Jews had no real chance of sitting together as equals and to make a deal without pressure from outsiders. Also Jews and Arabs have lived peacefully with each other for most of the history. When Jews were mass-murdered in Europe Jews and Arabs worked together. Jews preferred to live in the Arab world/Muslim world rather than Christian world until after the creation of Israel in 1947.

This agreement was signed by Faisal bin Hussein, the son of the King of Hijaz and later himself king of Syria and Iraq. That agreement was signed without really consulting the Palestinian people and moreover was signed 29 years before Israel came to an existence. You forgot that after 1919 until the creation of Israel what was now Israel/Palestine was under British administration.

Read up on the Balfour agreement.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What tells you that Israel was willing to accept a two-state solution in 1919 when it first came to an existence 1947 years later? Back then most Arabs had no major problem with a Jewish homeland. But not in the fashion it was created. Thats where the problems arose.

Also why don't you take a look at the demographics of what is now Israel/Palestine just 50 years prior to the Balfour Declaration? Palestinians or Muslim Arabs as you ail call them (since you do not recognize the notion "Palestinian" for some strange reason while recognizing the notion Jew in its current form), were the vast majority of that land. The demographics only changed after British encouraged migration and culminated with the creation of Israel.

It's late. Let @Hazzy997 explain it to you. After all he is a Palestinian and his family was forced out of what is now modern-day Israel. Tell him that his people first came to an existence after 1967.

Now as I told you in the other thread why talk about ancient times when we can talk about the current events? Why is Israel continuing to built illegal settlements in the West Bank while claiming to want a two-state solution?