Palestine gifts mobile health unit to Pakistan

[masterchief_mirza]

"Pakistan has already showed its willingness to stop Israeli aggression...so Israel would obviously pre-emptively attack by any means....which it is doing by supporting proxies such as India among others.

And guess who benefits the most and supported the above idea??"


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This "map" has been discredited. Look at the acronyms formed by Arab Shia State and Saudi Homelands Independent Territories for goodness sake.

Pakistani interests lie with remaining completely neutral vis a vis Israel. If we can persuade them not to trade arms with India, we should do so.

Otherwise leave them be. Let Arabs sort their own affairs out. Put Pakistan first.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians who have been abandoned by the house of Saud and Egypt. Why should Pakistan step into that void under any circumstances whatsoever?

The only scenarios which should draw Pakistani attention vis a vis Israel is if some nutcases start building temples where al aqsa stands, or if our friends in Turkey are threatened by Israel. That's it. Otherwise, Pakistan should be pragmatic and rational with Israel. Needless antagonism of Israel has brought Pakistan significant problems in dealing with its Indian problem.

Israel and Pakistan are perhaps closer in terms of geopolitical situation than folks realise. Pakistan could learn a lot from Israel in terms of managing a belligerent and menacing enemy on our doorstep who seeks to use overwhelming numerical advantage against us.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

Why don't we talk to Modi too? After all it is all an issue of communication, right?

We have been so wrong all these years. We could even be best friends with the avowed enemies of Islam and Muslims.

When they talk about eradicating Muslims, we should just laugh it off.

Let's start by talking about this.

And this.

I nominate you as our official spokesman.

These pictures mean nothing to me , i do not care about palestinians or indians muslims. Show it to those arabs who support or bed with indians or israelis. On the other hand Pakistani govt has been trying to talk to modi many times. If india is your enemy why have diplomatic relations with india ? why marry indian people knowing how many Pakistanis blood is on their hands ?

 

[Itachi]

These pictures mean nothing to me , i do not care about palestinians or indians muslims. Show it to those arabs who support or bed with indians or israelis. On the other hand Pakistani govt has been trying to talk to modi many times. If india is your enemy why have diplomatic relations with india ? why marry indian people knowing how many Pakistanis blood is on their hands ?

You can keep having wet dreams about friendship with Israel and even India...reality is, we'll never be friends with them.

Your thought process is found in less than 1% Pakistanis....only in the liberal, secular parts of Pakistani politics.

Pakistani founders were clear that we will not have any relations with Israel because of the Palestinian issue and the Israeli occupation, again, illegal occupation, of the Holy Land. Current Pakistani public and political leadership have also denounced having any relations with Israel also.

You are free to voice your delusions on PDF, many do to no avail.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

These pictures mean nothing to me , i do not care about palestinians or indians muslims. Show it to those arabs who support or bed with indians or israelis. On the other hand Pakistani govt has been trying to talk to modi many times. If india is your enemy why have diplomatic relations with india ? why marry indian people knowing how many Pakistanis blood is on their hands ?

"Diplomatic relations" in a general sense can have multiple potential uses, especially against enemy states. And marriage to Indian citizens is hardly going to constitute treason. Not really sure you can simply paint israel and India with one brush as their relevance and threat to Pakistan is not equivalent.

 

[Itachi]

This "map" has been discredited. Look at the acronyms formed by Arab Shia State and Saudi Homelands Independent Territories for goodness sake.

Please show me where it was "discredited"....all maps are drawn by men. Names only matter once the states are formed. The lines/borders matter a lot more...

Pakistani interests lie with remaining completely neutral vis a vis Israel. If we can persuade them not to trade arms with India, we should do so.

Pakistani founders, military leadership & even present political leadership know what Pakistani interests are more than anyone on PDF, including me.

There will never be ties between Israel & Pakistan unless we have another series of sellouts like Zardari & Nawaz. End of story.

Otherwise leave them be. Let Arabs sort their own affairs out. Put Pakistan first.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians who have been abandoned by the house of Saud and Egypt. Why should Pakistan step into that void under any circumstances whatsoever?

The only scenarios which should draw Pakistani attention vis a vis Israel is if some nutcases start building temples where al aqsa stands, or if our friends in Turkey are threatened by Israel. That's it. Otherwise, Pakistan should be pragmatic and rational with Israel. Needless antagonism of Israel has brought Pakistan significant problems in dealing with its Indian problem.

Israel and Pakistan are perhaps closer in terms of geopolitical situation than folks realise. Pakistan could learn a lot from Israel in terms of managing a belligerent and menacing enemy on our doorstep who seeks to use overwhelming numerical advantage against us.

What Arabs or Martians do in regards to Israel doesn't matter to us.

For all we/I care, they can start kissing Israeli a**es....it wouldn't matter an inch in regards to Pakistani policies towards Israel.

Pakistani policies against Israel are multi-dimensional....we're enemies of each other, whether some don't see it that way, that's nobody's fault; one of the aims of modern, whatever gen warfare is to weaken the enemy from within. We don't agree with Israel on their illegal occupation same as we don't agree with India.

Both India & Israel are in bed....a friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Whoever wants to establish relationships with Israel can move to the West Bank or even better, the Gaza Strip....if that doesn't knock some sense into their heads....they can start advocating for Israeli-Pakistani relations....better than having the same old thread about "friendship" on PDF every week...

"Diplomatic relations" in a general sense can have multiple potential uses, especially against enemy states. And marriage to Indian citizens is hardly going to constitute treason. Not really sure you can simply paint israel and India with one brush as their relevance and threat to Pakistan is not equivalent.

Guy smokes more than his brain can handle....he pulls analogies out of thin air...

 

[BHarwana]

Always remember Trump gave green light to Israel to annex Palestine and UAE Oman and Bahrain were present in the room.

 

[Itachi]

Always remember Trump gave green light to Israel to annex Palestine and UAE Oman and Bahrain were present in the room.

No one cares about sellout Arabs...they were present after the death of Prophet SAW until today...Hazrat Abu Bakar R.A. brought them back to Islam in the Ridda Wars. Salahudin (a Kurd) took back the Holy Land when many Arabs couldn't, due to infighting. The Turk Osmanis took care of the Holy Land until betrayal by the Arabs.

Since WWII, the Arabs have known nothing but humiliation.....yes, some have become very wealthy....but wealth without power is nothing....heck, their "wealth" isn't going to last for much long either...

Once the above mentioned countries have their uses finished, they'll become the next Syria/Libya as the Yemen War spreads through the region. Whether war spreads or not is one matter.....we know oil won't be as much of a commodity in the future as today...that'll wreck their economies enough to send them back to being backwater bedouins.

These countries were nothing before the discovery of oil and they'll be nothing after the world has moved onto the next energy source.......in the end, they don't matter.

One often ignores the slaves and keeps an eye on the master.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Please show me where it was "discredited"....all maps are drawn by men. Names only matter once the states are formed. The lines/borders matter a lot more...



Pakistani founders, military leadership & even present political leadership know what Pakistani interests are more than anyone on PDF, including me.

There will never be ties between Israel & Pakistan unless we have another series of sellouts like Zardari & Nawaz. End of story.



What Arabs or Martians do in regards to Israel doesn't matter to us.

For all we/I care, they can start kissing Israeli a**es....it wouldn't matter an inch in regards to Pakistani policies towards Israel.

Pakistani policies against Israel are multi-dimensional....we're enemies of each other, whether some don't see it that way, that's nobody's fault; one of the aims of modern, whatever gen warfare is to weaken the enemy from within. We don't agree with Israel on their illegal occupation same as we don't agree with India.

Both India & Israel are in bed....a friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Whoever wants to establish relationships with Israel can move to the West Bank or even better, the Gaza Strip....if that doesn't knock some sense into their heads....they can start advocating for Israeli-Pakistani relations....better than having the same old thread about "friendship" on PDF every week...



Guy smokes more than his brain can handle....he pulls analogies out of thin air...

Some fair points but it's time to be pragmatic and realise that Israel is not an existential threat, whereas India is. Pakistan's leadership's job is not to be a global morality policeman but to serve the interests of Pakistan.

It's a moot point anyway, as a realignment on Israel isn't going to happen in any of our lifetimes especially with Netanyahu in power. In any case, I'm certainly not in favour of anything beyond neutrality and a concerted effort to dissuade Israel from arming Hindustan. Israel should also be rebuffed on any efforts to destabilise Pakistan's western border by degrading the stability of the Iranian regime - that's my two c on the matter.

 

[BHarwana]

No one cares about sellout Arabs...they were present after the death of Prophet SAW until today...Hazrat Abu Bakar R.A. brought them back to Islam in the Ridda Wars. Salahudin (a Kurd) took back the Holy Land when many Arabs couldn't, due to infighting. The Turk Osmanis took care of the Holy Land until betrayal by the Arabs.

Since WWII, the Arabs have known nothing but humiliation.....yes, some have become very wealthy....but wealth without power is nothing....heck, their "wealth" isn't going to last for much long either...

Once the above mentioned countries have their uses finished, they'll become the next Syria/Libya as the Yemen War spreads through the region. Whether war spreads or not is one matter.....we know oil won't be as much of a commodity in the future as today...that'll wreck their economies enough to send them back to being backwater bedouins.

These countries were nothing before the discovery of oil and they'll be nothing after the world has moved onto the next energy source.......in the end, they don't matter.

One often ignores the slaves and keeps an eye on the master.

My friend you missed something here. The Arabs I mentioned who were in the room are only 3 small countries and they don't came in any calculations of Arabs. There were many missing from that room. Saudis were not there men's Saudis are not on board with this deal. Egyptians were missing Kuwatis missing Iraqis were missing.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Some fair points but it's time to be pragmatic and realise that Israel is not an existential threat, whereas India is. Pakistan's leadership's job is not to be a global morality policeman but to serve the interests of Pakistan.

It's a moot point anyway, as a realignment on Israel isn't going to happen in any of our lifetimes especially with Netanyahu in power. In any case, I'm certainly not in favour of anything beyond neutrality and a concerted effort to dissuade Israel from arming Hindustan. Israel should also be rebuffed on any efforts to destabilise Pakistan's western border by degrading the stability of the Iranian regime - that's my two c on the matter.

Not having relations is rebuff enough to Israeli state.

We Pakistanis are fools if we do not think that Israel and India are working together against us, with the blessings of US and EU states.

Arab world still has potential in the future to become our ally, even Iran has that potential, but the populations of Israel and India hate us to their core. There can never be friendship with these states.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Always remember Trump gave green light to Israel to annex Palestine and UAE Oman and Bahrain were present in the room.

Palestinian should ask help from India. They are just giving us lollipop, because their earth is compressing every day. They are searching some help to push this compressed land done by Israel, GULF countries & U.S.A.
Palestine is a gone case now. Israel proved that Israel is too strong, even no religion, prayer or no country can reverse occupied land. This is technology, strategy, advance weapons which matters alot which palestine is lacking. It was bound to happen.
Iraq, Afganistan were used to chant rants against U.S.A. When U.S A left ports, they managed to kill millions in iraq & Afganistan just loss of few thousand U.S.A soldier. Same will happen against Iran.
Trump is the only man in three decades that has avoided war but it doesn't mean Trump has no card. It is same Trump that said offically "Islam don't like us". So Trump has cards too but still he avoids war. Because He is not warmongering . He is better than previous presidents . Infact he increased aid for palestine, and U.S.A is one of the biggest aid contributer to palestine.

 

[khansaheeb]

Palestine is looking for friends now after Trump is getting more involved in their dispute.

Only question for Pakistan's strategic planners is do we throw our full support behind them as they are a Muslim underdog, or bide our time due to their past actions that antagonised Pakistan.

We are friends, they don't need to look.

 

[War Thunder]

Pakistan has enough medical care then Palestine
Pakistan should transport that unit in Palestine.

Yeah thanks mr ego response.
But your nation does not have sufficient medical care. Try stepping out of your house and looking at the condition of the country.

Palestinian should ask help from India. They are just giving us lollipop, because their earth is compressing every day. They are searching some help to push this compressed land done by Israel, GULF countries & U.S.A.
Palestine is a gone case now. Israel proved that Israel is too strong, even no religion, prayer or no country can reverse occupied land. This is technology, strategy, advance weapons which matters alot which palestine is lacking. It was bound to happen.
Iraq, Afganistan were used to chant rants against U.S.A. When U.S A left ports, they managed to kill millions in iraq & Afganistan just loss of few thousand U.S.A soldier. Same will happen against Iran.
Trump is the only man in three decades that has avoided war but it doesn't mean Trump has no card. It is same Trump that said offically "Islam don't like us". So Trump has cards too but still he avoids war. Because He is not warmongering . He is better than previous presidents . Infact he increased aid for palestine, and U.S.A is one of the biggest aid contributer to palestine.

Only if they knew what kind of a hypocrite people they are trying to get some help from, they would have definitely preferred India.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Trump and Israel is going to make their lives hell.
In return we should extend our full diplomatic support to Palestine on moral grounds.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

You can keep having wet dreams about friendship with Israel and even India...reality is, we'll never be friends with them.

Your thought process is found in less than 1% Pakistanis....only in the liberal, secular parts of Pakistani politics.

Pakistani founders were clear that we will not have any relations with Israel because of the Palestinian issue and the Israeli occupation, again, illegal occupation, of the Holy Land. Current Pakistani public and political leadership have also denounced having any relations with Israel also.

You are free to voice your delusions on PDF, many do to no avail.

And you my friend can keep having wet dreams about Palestinians while they spit at your country and its people. Always remain slaves of arabs. Forget palestinians even bosnians and kosovo ppl dont give a damn about Pakistanis or Pakistan. Go see them bark against Pakistan. They call you third world and backwards. Your every ally uses you as a tissue and then disposes you off and all you say is hehe my muslim brother. For once try keeping the nation first.

Trump and Israel is going to make their lives hell.
In return we should extend our full diplomatic support to Palestine on moral grounds.

Its better to stay out and neutral

Whoever wants to establish relationships with Israel can move to the West Bank or even better, the Gaza Strip....if that doesn't knock some sense into their heads....they can start advocating for Israeli-Pakistani relations....better than having the same old thread about "friendship" on PDF every week...



Guy smokes more than his brain can handle....he pulls analogies out of thin air...[/QUOTE]

Since you do not know how to aruge respectfully how about If you have any contacts in the Army or Intelligence. I dare you if you are by one father to ask them if Pakistan has any relations under the table with Israel or not.

Not having relations is rebuff enough to Israeli state.

We Pakistanis are fools if we do not think that Israel and India are working together against us, with the blessings of US and EU states.

Arab world still has potential in the future to become our ally, even Iran has that potential, but the populations of Israel and India hate us to their core. There can never be friendship with these states.

you are wrong here. Israelis and indians do not hate us as much as the Arabs do. The policy of state does not necessarily reflect its citizens. If that was the case then why are Pakistains and indians close friends outside Pakistan ? why dont you see them hanging out with arabs ? why indians ? I have met Israelis and they have treated me very generously unlike the arabs who consider me another guy from third world.