Pak's intrusions on borders triggered 1965 war: Durrani

[ratolz]

Forty-four years after the 1965 Indo-Pak war, a retired Pakistani General has endorsed the Indian position that it was his country that had started the "intrusions."

Maj Gen (retd.) Mahmud Ali Durrani, who participated in the war along the Punjab border and rose to be the military secretary to late President Zia ul-Haq and served later as National Security Adviser, said: "We started the intrusions on the borders and I think we should think about the Indian response at that time."

The Indian Army launched a full-fledged war in 1965 because "low-level skirmishes were started from this (Pakistan) side", he said.

The high-level military command was not involved in "a strategy to disturb India" but politicians knew about what was happening along the border, Durrani told a TV news channel. The then foreign minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto too had no idea that India would cross the international border.

At the same time he said Pakistan did not "achieve anything" from going to wars with India in the past.

Durrani said his country should extend a hand of friendship towards the neighbour to settle the outstanding issues. "We should extend (a hand of) friendship towards India, and start peace talks to settle disputes."

68-year-old Durrani was sacked by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani after he told journalists that Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist arrested for the Mumbai attacks, was a Pakistani national.

 

[SalmanNadeem]

Absolutely right. Pakistan achieved nothing by continually provoking India except that its own army grew disproportionately strong and stifled all the other state organizations.

Better if Pakistan realizes this and looks within istead of constantly drumming up issues with India.

 

[ratolz]

But million dollar question is, When they will realize this...???

 

[Patriot]

Obviously every Pakistani knows this.What's surprising.We do know that Army special ops commandos crossed disputed border as civilians and as a result India retaliated along the international border.

 

[ISRO2]

But million dollar question is, When they will realize this...???

Sir that's a multi billion dollar question. The answear not even pakistan himself knows. One thing is sure the day pakistan stops provoking india and shake hand with india with pure heart would be the day pakistan would progress and be a major power in world. i dont know what achieving by being anti-india. All they doing is hurting them self sir.

 

[jeet]

Islamabad: Observing that Pakistan did not "achieve anything" from going to wars with India in the past, former National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani has said his country should extend a hand of friendship towards the neighbour to settle the outstanding issues.

Durrani said he had participated in two wars and now thought that "Pakistan did not achieve anything from these wars".

"We should extend (a hand of) friendship towards India, and start peace talks to settle disputes," he said.

The former NSA was sacked by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani after he told journalists that Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist arrested for the Mumbai attacks, was a Pakistani national.

He said low-level skirmishes started by Pakistan prompted the Indian Army to cross the international border and launch a full-fledged war in 1965.

"We started the intrusions on the borders and I think we should think about the Indian response at that time," said Durrani. The Indian Army reacted because "low-level skirmishes were started from this side", he said.

The high-level military command was not involved in "a strategy to disturb India" but politicians knew about what was happening along the border, Durrani told a TV news channel.

Then foreign minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto too had no idea that India would cross the international border.

 

[Beskar]

Threads merged.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Sir that's a multi billion dollar question. The answear not even pakistan himself knows. One thing is sure the day pakistan stops provoking india and shake hand with india with pure heart would be the day pakistan would progress and be a major power in world. i dont know what achieving by being anti-india. All they doing is hurting them self sir.

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved. Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

 

[R.A.W.]

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved. Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

That issue is resolved and decision was given in Indian favor. So why do you rant again and again and then say we want to solve Kashmir with the same UN resolution when you actually dont want to accept the same decision by UN

 

[Hutchroy]

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved. Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

Here is another Pakistan Army Officer of One Star General Rank :

India not our enemy

Lt-Col Mukhtar Ahmed Butt in his letter of Sept 10 titled “Is India really our enemy?” seems to have distorted history and reproduced the official version. Such an approach only ends up satisfying our egos and achieves little else. Notwithstanding the logic of the division of India, in my view India was more prudent and realistic in accepting the new state of Pakistan. The hostilities commenced when we attacked Kashmir and it was divided, and even this hostile act of Pakistan was not responded militarily. After that we should have adopted a diplomatic approach to this issue and with certain political bargains could have settled it.

In this timeframe General Ayub Khan imposed our first martial law and we started viewing policies through the barrel of a gun and this was the time Pakistan conceived and launched the 1965 hostilities. I will request the respected writer to study this episode within with special reference to military strategy. To date the nation is not aware of the logic and assumptions on which we infiltrated our special services troops into Kashmir. We then opened up hostilities in Kashmir and again I am at a loss to understand how we assumed that India would not cross the international border. The truth is that in 1965 Pakistan initiated war.

We are also forgetting that as a state we actively supported jihad in Kashmir for almost ten years and in 1998 launched an ill-conceived operation in Kargil — something on which there has not been even an iota of introspection or analysis. The dismemberment of Pakistan too is our own doing because we never gave political or economic rights to East Pakistan and instead relied more on our military power and our perceived genetic inferiority of Bengalis. India did what it had to do — how could we have expected anything different given that we had attacked it twice?

We need to learn that each country has its national interests and those are to be guarded and it is unfortunate that India has grown large economically, diplomatically and militarily. We are in her neighbourhood and we need to be more realistic when approaching India and in future only common interests can build bridges. I do not know why we surrender our sovereignty to the US and go running to Saudi Arabia — and when it comes to India we take refuge in our false pride.

In inter-state relations there is no permanent enmity or friendship, nations follow their national objectives. The actual fact is that Pakistan and India are dependent on each other for economics, security and politics. We need to reconcile with Partition, find some honourable solution for Kashmir and move forward. Poverty, lack of good governance, violation of the constitution and inadequate national integration are our real enemies and any future harm to the state will come from these rather than India.

Brig (r) Asif Alvi

Karachi

 

[rubyjackass]

@ratolz: link please

 

[Hutchroy]

@ratolz: link please

LINK : Pak's intrusions on borders triggered 1965 war : Durrani

 

[sadiqams]

This Durrani is an american stooge. Indeed india is our enemy no.1. There is an indian hand in almost every major disturbance in Pakistan at the moment. They blew up a train full of Pakistanis returning from India. They forgot that it was an active indian army officer involved in the planning and implementation for this terrible act.They cry wolf over a false flag operation in Mumbai and can not even produce evidence to back up their claims. There is evidence that so called 'Kasab' was kidnapped by RAW from Nepal and implicated in the Mumbai event. Pakistan should now ignore India in its foreign policy and go its own way. One thing the indians will not like is being ignored by its rival and neighbour Pakistan. Just think no more indians to worry about hello Chinese, Arabians and Central Asians, Sri Lankans and Bangladesh, East Asia!

 

[xebex]

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved.

Who care wether Pakistan shakes hand with India or not, if Pakistan want to prosper then something need to be done....India will grow and prosper no matter what its relationship with Pakistan.......my question would be can Pakistan afford to piss off India?

Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

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[Beskar]

.India will grow no matter its in war with Pakistan or not.......my question would be can you?

The question is, are you sure its going to be a conventional war? Lets not forget that both sides are nuclear armed. And we're actually a step ahead of our counterparts as far as Nuclear Weapons Delivery systems are concerned.

I think you're assumption is flawed when you say that in case of a convetional/Nuclear war, India wouldn't be on the losing edge. There's a reason why Pakistan maintains a first-strike capability. The nuclear build-up in the region isn't progressing because Pakistan would want to see itself suffer in case of a war with an enemy, thrice its size.

Lets just hope that it doesn't come down to this. If we end up triggering another war, total annihilation would follow for both nations.