PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@The Eagle @Arsalan @Foxtrot Alpha @LeGenD sorry to bother you lads, however, if one of you could clean up the thread of irrelevant and baiting posts...

We, Paks, among ourselves are trying to develop a Thought Process that helps understand things Rationally and better equip us dealing with Nemesis who has Blood of PakChildren on its hands... We shall NEVER Forget APS!!!

Even then here in this thread we are trying to Build a PakPositivism based on OurCollective effort so that we not only engage the good Indians properly but also elevate the Quality of OUR Forum.

To PakPosters... please, hold your impulses and auto-reactions... lets change course...

First let us find the answer to:

What is India's End Game?

Then we can decide our proactive responses and deal with Indianness!

Thankyou!!!

Mangus

 

[The Eagle]

Please report anything that you see violating rules or as such. Matter will be taken care.

Regards,

 

[Joe Shearer]

agree thats bs!

not all Hindu are enemy of Pakistan or Islam most want peaceful brotherly relations not just with Pakistan but Muslims living in India as well!

i visited Bombay when i was 9 or 10 years old and we were lost and one guy promised my mother "keh behn app fikar na karo may app ko app ki hotel tak chor keh auun ga" a hindu guy helping Pakistani Muslims i am 36 now and i still remember his gesture!

Whoever that man was, he has my thanks. In his place, I would have done the same, but I was not in his place; he was, and all credit to him.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

It naturally does not matter that he said nothing about either subject.



Again, it is difficult to visualise what might constitute a questionable target, or any other kind of target, in his neighbour's territory. It is difficult to understand the singular asymmetry of the Pakistani strategic vision, that justifies all the aggression and war-mongering of their nation on the grounds of an unresolved Kashmir problem, and pillories any retaliation as aggression.



I agree, that cancellation was petty.



By the standards of the BJP, minor fleabites.



One more petty little-girlish reaction. And that is your chargesheet against our government? we have much worse tales to narrate.

It really seems that your kind of assuming victimhood hardly needs any substantial event to trigger off maudlin self-pity.

Don't get me wrong. I really don't give a hoot if India cancels some art exhibition or some tabla recital by a Pakistani. The point is the tide is advancing in one direction only. Individually they seem trivial, but the summative impact of these little steps is the villification of ANYTHING Pakistani. You may choose to obviate the importance of such machinations but when trying to portray another nation as an absolute and eternal enemy, this would be the precise amalgamation of microaggressions that would result in such a net effect. Modi wants Indians to feel reviled by Pakistan and feel some existential threat from Pakistanis - this is where I sort of agree with @Shantanu_Left , but it's not done merely to win votes, Modi actually believes his election propaganda. To regard Modi's behaviour as mere electioneering is naive.

All Indian Hindus are enemies of Pakistan and Islam.

Brother this is factually incorrect, from my experience. I certainly agree with much of what you say otherwise but it is simply not possible that all Indian Hindus are as such. Now whether or not this minority of friendly and peaceable Indian Hindus has any genuine influence is another matter - I do not think they do. The overwhelming narrative discourse in Hindu India is that which sees benefit from the destruction of Pakistan.

 

[Verve]

Your actions are disconnected from your words.

All Indian Hindus are enemies of Pakistan and Islam. Some of you are open about it, and others are hidden, but you all have the same thoughts.

No longer are Pakistanis going to be held hostage by our own mehmandari (hospitality) in trying to bridge gaps and find common ground because there aren't any.

Our Kashmir blood kin are suffering 72 years of brutal oppression and subjugation, Pakistani Punjabis and Muslim Jammu suffered organized genocide pogroms to eliminate our populations. All mostly done by secular Hindus screaming that they are not Godse type RSS goons, but you all are the same.

For the sake of Kashmiri/Pakistani children, the menace of Indian majoritarian terror must be ended now. We cannot push it on our succeeding generations.

If we die, then we die shuhada. Living as a slave under the boot of Hindu dominance is no longer acceptable to proud Muslims like us.

Those two-faced Gandhis and Nehrus who are responsible for the oppression of our people are also fair game.

@Musings @Morpheus @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @letsrock @masterchief_mirza

These Indians are again trying to police our rights to speak our own minds, on our own forum.

They are not content by keeping 200 million Indian Muslims under their boot, and also Occupied Ksshmiris. Shameful.

Gandhiites and Nehruites are scum. Original plotters against Pakistan are these people and we will never forget that - they are the same fascists but with secular clothes on and a sweet tongue. This scum is one of them, hardcore as they come.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Brother this is factually incorrect, from my experience. I certainly agree with much of what you say otherwise but it is simply not possible that all Indian Hindus are as such. Now whether or not this minority of friendly and peaceable Indian Hindus has any genuine influence is another matter - I do not think they do. The overwhelming narrative discourse in Hindu India is that which sees benefit from the destruction of Pakistan.

Sure brother, I can accept it. There may be few exceptions like Hemant Karkare and Arvind Kerjiwal.

However we do not have a single Hindu Indian member here who is like that.

Also I have had personal relationships with Indians for years, and I have come to this conclusion by observing them as well.

They hate us, nothing much we can do about it.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

So you're like the much lesser polished version of our Joe saab.

meanwhile, "nemisis" ka matlab bhi padh lo dictionary mein

Firstly why don't you check the spelling of "nemesis" in the dictionary?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

agree thats bs!

not all Hindu are enemy of Pakistan or Islam most want peaceful brotherly relations not just with Pakistan but Muslims living in India as well!

i visited Bombay when i was 9 or 10 years old and we were lost and one guy promised my mother "keh behn app fikar na karo may app ko app ki hotel tak chor keh auun ga" a hindu guy helping Pakistani Muslims i am 36 now and i still remember his gesture!

Take another trip. You will learn the truth.

You may choose to obviate the importance of such machinations but when trying to portray another nation as an absolute and eternal enemy, this would be the precise amalgamation of microaggressions that would result in such a net effect.

This is exactly the right word here. They are basically passive-aggressive personalities in the West and other places, who will never fight with you openly.

Even if they befriend you, they must convince themselves that you are unlike other Pakistanis and Muslims, because that is the only way they can have personal friendships with the likes of us.

In school and at work, I have had alot of time to analyze their thoughts and behaviors, this is my final conclusion.

"The Hindu is incorrigible." -Quaid e Azam

Who knew them better than the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity of the British Raj era and Congress party?

We should learn from the experiences of our bozorg and take their observations as a matter of course. We need to chart our destiny from where they left off.

No use questioning ourselves.

 

[Morpheus]

Also I have had personal relationships with Indians for years, and I have come to this conclusion by observing them as well.

They hate us, nothing much we can do about it.

I agree with you on this. In my personal experience, indian, regardless of religion, all tend to act superior. I have seen this happening for years, even before Modi came along. Its not just limited to one country or class. It like that everywhere. UK, Gulf, Germany, France, Canada, Japan. Everywhere i went, it was always like that. They all have a way with words. They will put Pakistan down at any chance they can get.They have this superiority complex.

They will speak sweet words in front of you, while stab you in the back. A very common trait in indian Hyderabadi. They like to play the "we are all Muslims" card, except when they see a personal interest, then that cards is gone.

 

[Joe Shearer]

it's not done merely to win votes, Modi actually believes his election propaganda. To regard Modi's behaviour as mere electioneering is naive.

Do you think we don't know that? do you think opposition to him is electioneering drama, with a view to winning votes? If so, I can only feel sorry for you, for not understanding that we saw through the monstrous future planned for us eighteen years ago, not at the time that you woke up to the situation.

Not that I have the slightest hope of you understanding, but the trivial things that were listed have nothing to do with the sinister agenda that is obvious to all.

You have to understand two things: his petty, futile little steps 'against' Pakistan are place-holders; they signal to his constituency that Muslims are fair game, in particular Muslim Indians.

The second is this juvenile tendency to get into a frenzy about every stupid statement that is made about Azad Kashmir, about Gilgit and about Baltistan. Sometimes it looks as if there is a need to find some issue, however cockamamie, to enable a bonfire to be lit, drums to be produced, and for the war dancing to begin.

I am truly sick and tired of this tendency to assume that 1.3 billion people hate and detest Pakistan and wish all Pakistanis to rot in hell. If this is the best assessment that can be found, then Modi and his goons are perfectly safe from any reaction from our western frontier.

Now whether or not this minority of friendly and peaceable Indian Hindus has any genuine influence is another matter - I do not think they do

Right.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Your actions are disconnected from your words.

All Indian Hindus are enemies of Pakistan and Islam. Some of you are open about it, and others are hidden, but you all have the same thoughts.

No longer are Pakistanis going to be held hostage by our own mehmandari (hospitality) in trying to bridge gaps and find common ground because there aren't any.

Our Kashmir blood kin are suffering 72 years of brutal oppression and subjugation, Pakistani Punjabis and Muslim Jammu suffered organized genocide pogroms to eliminate our populations. All mostly done by secular Hindus screaming that they are not Godse type RSS goons, but you all are the same.

For the sake of Kashmiri/Pakistani children, the menace of Indian majoritarian terror must be ended now. We cannot push it on our succeeding generations.

If we die, then we die shuhada. Living as a slave under the boot of Hindu dominance is no longer acceptable to proud Muslims like us.

Those two-faced Gandhis and Nehrus who are responsible for the oppression of our people are also fair game.

@Musings @Morpheus @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @letsrock @masterchief_mirza

These Indians are again trying to police our rights to speak our own minds, on our own forum.

They are not content by keeping 200 million Indian Muslims under their boot, and also Occupied Ksshmiris. Shameful.

I think there is an underlying dynamic at play here. Between 1995 and 2018, indians were drunk by the illusion that they are superpower backed up by both america and Russia, who can take on and dominate any nation in Asia. The events of 27/02/2019 and Galwan Valley has exposed india as being an extremely poor 3rd world nation that is very weak and whom no one cares about. As a result, indians are NOW presenting a veneer of diplomacy and civility but their extreme visceral hatred of Pakistanis and Muslims still remains. The only difference now is that they are not so vocal about it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The overwhelming narrative discourse in Hindu India is that which sees benefit from the destruction of Pakistan

Wrong.

 

[forcetrip]

Take another trip. You will learn the truth.



This is exactly the right word here. They are basically passive-aggressive personalities in the West and other places, who will never fight with you openly.

Even if they befriend you, they must convince themselves that you are unlike other Pakistanis and Muslims, because that is the only way they can have personal friendships with the likes of us.

In school and at work, I have had alot of time to analyze their thoughts and behaviors, this is my final conclusion.

"The Hindu is incorrigible." -Quaid e Azam

Who knew them better than the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity of the British Raj era and Congress party?

We should learn from the experiences of our bozorg and take their observations as a matter of course. We need to chart our destiny from where they left us.

No use questioning ourselves.

Sorry to barge in to your passionate speech and selective quotes of QeA but the last time I was in your country the Hindus were pretty well assimilated there. You might even have a Hindu VP if things dont go Trumps way (long shot). Now in the country I live in we have a small minority of Hindus who are well assimilated in our culture and country. They have done their fair share in propping up the economy as well as become unsung heros in sensitive military ops. You need to correctly direct your misplaced anger towards a country of more than a billion next door to us. Which also include around 200m muslims as well. The bozorgs you keep talking about are the reason we are in this mess. We selectively considered all the bozorgs to be wise and having the best interest for our country. Surprise! Most of the ones people listened to were talking our their ***. The ones that actually talked sense we just quote them for some reminiscing feel goods instead of taking any action on what they said.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I agree with you on this. In my personal experience, indian, regardless of religion, all tend to act superior. I have seen this happening for years, even before Modi came along. Its not just limited to one country or class. It like that everywhere. UK, Gulf, Germany, France, Canada, Japan. Everywhere i went, it was always like that. They all have a way with words. They will put Pakistan down at any chance they can get.They have this superiority complex.

They will speak sweet words in front of you, while stab you in the back. A very common trait in indian Hyderabadi. They like to play the "we are all Muslims" card, except when they see a personal interest, then that cards is gone.

I have experienced this too but I believe it is the feeling of racial inferiority that makes indians behave this way. When someone deeply feels that they are GENUINELY racially inferior to someone they outwardly project that feeling by trying to act superior in front of the said person.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I agree with you on this. In my personal experience, indian, regardless of religion, all tend to act superior. I have seen this happening for years, even before Modi came along. Its not just limited to one country or class. It like that everywhere. UK, Gulf, Germany, France, Canada, Japan. Everywhere i went, it was always like that. They all have a way with words. They will put Pakistan down at any chance they can get.They have this superiority complex.

They will speak sweet words in front of you, while stab you in the back. A very common trait in indian Hyderabadi. They like to play the "we are all Muslims" card, except when they see a personal interest, then that cards is gone.

Exactly, I feel like Pakistanis are finally waking up from this dream and realizing that there can never be peace with this mindset of Indian Hindus.

I always refer back to the speeches and quotations of Quaid e Azam to learn exactly what these people are like, and he was spot on. He predicted the situation of Indian Muslims 72 years ago.

We Pakistanis have had to re-evaluate our past ideas, as we are a peace-living and forgiving people by nature and by faith. We have had to see continuous victories of Modi gang, constant blaming of and machinations against Pakistan, deterioration of the situation of Kashmiris for 72 years, and the animosity against Indian Muslims from both sides of Hindu Indian population (Hindutva and Congress.)

I saw this situation a decade ago, I knew that war was inevitable, that hate programmed into the Hindu consciousness needs as escape, and Pakistan is always their chosen object of derision.

At the time, I begun boycotting Indian products and haven't watched any Indian content since then (although I always found it vulgar.) Pakistanis around me could not understand why I would go out of my way to buy Pakistani or other Muslim country brands over Indian ones.

Now they are all in agreement, and most Pakistanis have begun to boycott India. Whenever the conversation comes up, they always say, "You were right and you saw this coming decades beforehand."

Alhamdulilah, we are wide awake now, and our firm resolve is here. We know what needs to be done. India must be dismantled brick by brick, so it can never become a threat to our children again.

It is not obly about Kashmir, it is about the future survival of Pakistan. This is a war of civilization, freedom, and survival over a bloodthirsty enemy which wants to enslave, rape, and humiliate our people.

We can never faulter, not even for a moment.