Pakistan's wars: what if they hadn't been fought.

[newb3e]

Pakistanis have become really soft war is the price we pay for our freedom!

but even after all the wars defeats and victories if we had no corruption or incompetence or mismanagement our country would be in better shape

 

[Baby Leone]

Stupid question as mist of the wars Pakistan had fought were imposed on us with no other option. Before learning from history op should read history first.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

We losing since we stop replying to india i remember in 90s if we hear blast in Pakistan then same next day we heard in india. This is kind of attitude we sud have if we call it enemy let they bark hard but do something kashmir other wise they will not stop there.

 

[Furious]

O bhai... At least develop your comprehension skills. What it's really which led u to put my patriotism into question. It was sincerely an academic question. .

Idk why you are so much insecure n philoshpers that u don't take a second to spread Fatway of Ghaddari. If someone has read my post History then he should come to know that my Total post are from d point of view of an academic structure.

I wonder y nowadays we don't see healthy debates over here.

We're in continuous phase of wars since 65 n it's a fact. If only 2 wars of Afghan would b without us then definitely a whole picture of pak would b something we never expected.

By posting useless arguments about your patriotism doesn't make u a Patriotic. Go n look for someone else...

I will request all pdf moderators that if u wanna get pdf healthy debating forum then Everyone who raise questions about someone's patriotism should b declared False flagger n banned.
Every tom dick n harry here is to cast doubts.

O bhai phlay daikh to lo k bnda bol kia rha h... Jo sirf apnay ap ko he mohib e watan smjhtay h such m wo sirf Anaparast or khudgarz hotay hn...

Some old accounts will sleep again if moderators continue to fail to develop guidelines for issuing Fatwas...
@Markhoor @Path-Finder @Horus

I have noticed this guy and few others like him, constantly cry to mods when they cant handle something and their ego gets hurt. Really insecure to have some healthy debate.

Our struggling is not 100% due to wars. ..sure wars drained us...but the damage our own caused is unmatchable!!

Politicians and law makers
Juridical
Ministers
Ambassadors
Nepotism

Had these even thought of Pakistan ...We wouldn't be in this state...We got safarish sitting at the top..We got brainless soulless leaches sitting at the very top.

Such people can't do work nor know how to. Since they themselves don't know how to they get in the way of others...on top of that, to hide their shit they blame others or due to fear of being caught hey blame and cause problems for sincere people. ..such leaches are the actual cause of damage.

Islamically:

Every single one in Pakistan who is doing something sinful has caused lack of barkat

So be grateful that despite wars and such type of people running Pakistan we are still alive!

I am not understanding, its you people who have chosen them, they didnt chose themselves. Its either people chose such representatives or they were put up by someone else.

What is the alternative you think is good for Pakistan, military dictatorship ? Blaming your own people for different opinion will get you nowhere. Instead of hating the institution, why not be a part and change the institution for better.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

It will b not altogether right to say that corruption n mismanagement is solely responsible for bad Economy. China was subsumed into corruption but the way they turnaround simply don't proove the relationship b/w bad econmy n corruption...

Wars are, indeed, costly and should be avoided if at all possible within reasonable means. However, they are sometimes a necessity without which you cannot achieve certain objectives. For instace, the only part of Kashmir we've managed to liberate was done through war yet not an inch has come through negatiarions and diplomacy alone.

With regards to China and corruption - it's not just corruption that did us in, it was the level of corruption and mismanagement. its the difference between losing 10% of spending to corruption and losing 60-70%.

 

[War Thunder]

Bhaijan, i wasn't talking about some ordinary muslims pakistani. I was talking about the policy makers who give proper thinking to every aspect of their action.

Let the indians b rats, assholes etc etc. Just need to focus on ourselves. If someone is bad then it doesn't mean v should follow the same..


Pakistan is my country n i have gotten every right to discuss what i think wasn't at par with rightness...

Uncle I'm sure you carry a sound brain up there?
Because from your comments and your ability to think seems to be quite lacking in general as if I'm talking to a school kid.
You didn't even get what I had written up there, try re reading a few times till you have because otherwise you are only wasting our time here.

How do you leave indians to be crazy and mad and whatever when they are in possession of a 10 times stronger armed force compared to you and are waging indirect and direct wars against you since 1947?
Where do you put Soviets when they come knocking on your neighborhood to access warm waters?
Where do you put yourself as a nation and as a responsible state when your allies are fighting wars against Israel?
And where exactly do you want to put yourself when Israel wants to come and bomb your nuclear infrastructure twice in your history?
Or you are one of those folk who has no clue about the wars and history in general?

 

[waz]

Since its inception Pakistan has been into continuous state of war. Wars n opponents may have changed but Pak remained involved all the time. 48, 65, 71, Afghan 1st war, kargil, Afghan 2nd war are few overt n covert wars. Now just imagine a scenario what if these all or at least a few were not fought then what would have pak current condition??
Would Pak b a state in current Economic strangling?? Would pak b taunted for its bad Economic performance???

Would Pak b on Terrorism trajectory?? Would our Educational level b at such level where Economy n science would b our basis for development???

Would our Religion b maligned in d same way like today it is maligned???

Where would b us in space???

What would have our clout???


Indians taunting for our bad econmy n educational level, it hurts but when we go forward then it's better to learn from past n this is d Right approach n questions, i guess....

Now plz your turn.
What do u think??

Let me just answer one aspect of your post.
Had Pakistan not got involved in the 48 war in Kashmir, India's borders would have been at Rawalpindi, can you imagine what that would have meant?