Pakistan's wars: what if they hadn't been fought.

[hassan zohaib]

@Areesh @Maarkhoor Report false flagger sewer rat
@waz @Oscar @Horus

O bhai... At least develop your comprehension skills. What it's really which led u to put my patriotism into question. It was sincerely an academic question. .

Idk why you are so much insecure n philoshpers that u don't take a second to spread Fatway of Ghaddari. If someone has read my post History then he should come to know that my Total post are from d point of view of an academic structure.

I wonder y nowadays we don't see healthy debates over here.

We're in continuous phase of wars since 65 n it's a fact. If only 2 wars of Afghan would b without us then definitely a whole picture of pak would b something we never expected.

By posting useless arguments about your patriotism doesn't make u a Patriotic. Go n look for someone else...

I will request all pdf moderators that if u wanna get pdf healthy debating forum then Everyone who raise questions about someone's patriotism should b declared False flagger n banned.
Every tom dick n harry here is to cast doubts.

O bhai phlay daikh to lo k bnda bol kia rha h... Jo sirf apnay ap ko he mohib e watan smjhtay h such m wo sirf Anaparast or khudgarz hotay hn...

Some old accounts will sleep again if moderators continue to fail to develop guidelines for issuing Fatwas...
@Markhoor @Path-Finder @Horus

 

[War Thunder]

Since its inception Pakistan has been into continuous state of war. Wars n opponents may have changed but Pak remained involved all the time. 48, 65, 71, Afghan 1st war, kargil, Afghan 2nd war are few overt n covert wars. Now just imagine a scenario what if these all or at least a few were not fought then what would have pak current condition??
Would Pak b a state in current Economic strangling?? Would pak b taunted for its bad Economic performance???

Would Pak b on Terrorism trajectory?? Would our Educational level b at such level where Economy n science would b our basis for development???

Would our Religion b maligned in d same way like today it is maligned???

Where would b us in space???

What would have our clout???


Indians taunting for our bad econmy n educational level, it hurts but when we go forward then it's better to learn from past n this is d Right approach n questions, i guess....

Now plz your turn.
What do u think??

We Muslims never think nor talk about what if. What was meant to happen, it happened and it brought us where we are today. It was planned by the mightiest and greatest of all planners and we are not here to question what if, but what next. No one chooses wars, but we fight wars because that's what nations do and nations are built with blood and sacrifice, not with money.
If we had not fought those wars, then we will be lazy and coward and had given up our freedom long ago, and no one will respect us.

What has religion got to do with Pakistan alone?
What terrorism trajectory are we on except facing two terrorist nations on two sides of our borders?
What shit do indians have on us? They are out door toilet rats who lynch and rape, and can't even build toilets for their people or teach morality and values and want to go visit the moon for show off. Is that a kind of hypocrite and dumb nation you want to be? Where every foreigner girl has to go and come back crying for being harassed or feeling unsafe if not raped. We are better today than they will ever be as a people and that's an achievement.

Since the birth of U.S they fought 1200 wars and now they are super power but a mumy daddy burger like you portray us a nation of g@ys and libtards....

If you feel fear of war then kid it is better for you to die as coward....

@war&peace

99% of potiyan kids are like that, they voted supported I.K because they were thinking I.K was a play boy so they will enjoy rainbow color (gays and lesbians).....


and this is the f@cking reality....

Some folk just need to put their own agenda into everything, don't they?
You wanna support the corrupt mafia? Keep doing that, but literally stop trying to spread the shit around on others who see them for who they are the lack of IQ with those who happen to support them.

 

[hassan zohaib]

We Muslims never think nor talk about what if. What was meant to happen, it happened and it brought us where we are today. It was planned by the mightiest and greatest of all planners and we are not here to question what if, but what next. No one chooses wars, but we fight wars because that's what nations do and nations are built with blood and sacrifice, not with money.
If we had not fought those wars, then we will be lazy and coward and had given up our freedom long ago, and no one will respect us.

What has religion got to do with Pakistan alone?
What terrorism trajectory are we on except facing two terrorist nations on two sides of our borders?
What shit do indians have on us? They are out door toilet rats who lynch and rape, and can't even build toilets for their people or teach morality and values and want to go visit the moon for show off. Is that a kind of hypocrite and dumb nation you want to be? Where every foreigner girl has to go and come back crying for being harassed or feeling unsafe if not raped. We are better today than they will ever be as a people and that's an achievement.




Some folk just need to put their own agenda into everything, don't they?
You wanna support the corrupt mafia? Keep doing that, but literally stop trying to spread the shit around on others who see them for who they are the lack of IQ with those who happen to support them.

Bhaijan, i wasn't talking about some ordinary muslims pakistani. I was talking about the policy makers who give proper thinking to every aspect of their action.

Let the indians b rats, assholes etc etc. Just need to focus on ourselves. If someone is bad then it doesn't mean v should follow the same..


Pakistan is my country n i have gotten every right to discuss what i think wasn't at par with rightness...

 

[undercover JIX]

@Areesh @Maarkhoor Report false flagger sewer rat
@waz @Oscar @Horus

Why brain washing of Pakistani nation is allowed here, we have already lost a complete generation which grew up with this anti Pak/Military and previous leaders hate.

Enemy keeps us and our nation / generations divided with these tactics....How long we will keep crying over past and keep fighting with each other.....when we will start thinking of unity and looking at the future....instead of living in the past.

@Dubious @waz @Arsalan anti Pak elements working hard to keep us divided....all these narratives ar anti Pakistan and pro India.

My POV, but I understand all of you intellectuals have own POV.

It have some posts with personal attacks, please look at it as well. Thanks.

 

[Dubious]

Since its inception Pakistan has been into continuous state of war. Wars n opponents may have changed but Pak remained involved all the time. 48, 65, 71, Afghan 1st war, kargil, Afghan 2nd war are few overt n covert wars. Now just imagine a scenario what if these all or at least a few were not fought then what would have pak current condition??
Would Pak b a state in current Economic strangling?? Would pak b taunted for its bad Economic performance???

Would Pak b on Terrorism trajectory?? Would our Educational level b at such level where Economy n science would b our basis for development???

Would our Religion b maligned in d same way like today it is maligned???

Where would b us in space???

What would have our clout???


Indians taunting for our bad econmy n educational level, it hurts but when we go forward then it's better to learn from past n this is d Right approach n questions, i guess....

Now plz your turn.
What do u think??

Our struggling is not 100% due to wars. ..sure wars drained us...but the damage our own caused is unmatchable!!

Politicians and law makers
Juridical
Ministers
Ambassadors
Nepotism

Had these even thought of Pakistan ...We wouldn't be in this state...We got safarish sitting at the top..We got brainless soulless leaches sitting at the very top.

Such people can't do work nor know how to. Since they themselves don't know how to they get in the way of others...on top of that, to hide their shit they blame others or due to fear of being caught hey blame and cause problems for sincere people. ..such leaches are the actual cause of damage.

Islamically:

Every single one in Pakistan who is doing something sinful has caused lack of barkat

So be grateful that despite wars and such type of people running Pakistan we are still alive!

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Since its inception Pakistan has been into continuous state of war. Wars n opponents may have changed but Pak remained involved all the time. 48, 65, 71, Afghan 1st war, kargil, Afghan 2nd war are few overt n covert wars. Now just imagine a scenario what if these all or at least a few were not fought then what would have pak current condition??
Would Pak b a state in current Economic strangling?? Would pak b taunted for its bad Economic performance???

Would Pak b on Terrorism trajectory?? Would our Educational level b at such level where Economy n science would b our basis for development???

Would our Religion b maligned in d same way like today it is maligned???

Where would b us in space???

What would have our clout???


Indians taunting for our bad econmy n educational level, it hurts but when we go forward then it's better to learn from past n this is d Right approach n questions, i guess....

Now plz your turn.
What do u think??

Well, without war Azad Kashmir wouldn't be very Azad. We know how things go when we lose a war - Bangladesh.

With regards to economy - our economy is bad not because of war but because of corruption and mismanagement.

 

[hassan zohaib]

Our struggling is not 100% due to wars. ..sure wars drained us...but the damage our own caused is unmatchable!!

Politicians and law makers
Juridical
Ministers
Ambassadors
Nepotism

Had these even thought of Pakistan ...We wouldn't be in this state...We got safarish sitting at the top..We got brainless soulless leaches sitting at the very top.

Such people can't do work nor know how to. Since they themselves don't know how to they get in the way of others...on top of that, to hide their shit they blame others or due to fear of being caught hey blame and cause problems for sincere people. ..such leaches are the actual cause of damage.

Islamically:

Every single one in Pakistan who is doing something sinful has caused lack of barkat

So be grateful that despite wars and such type of people running Pakistan we are still alive!

People learn to counter the narrative not the member ...

Until and unless you learn to do that, you aren't going to see much progress in our fate

Sir, i m not the one who build narratives. I just see n try to highlight. This is my analysis n it may have wrong premises n this is why i always write in the end that plz discuss...

U wrote here so thanks but should i b in agreement wd u it's my discretion.

I don't loose my etiquettes despite being hidden behind d veil but i can discern b/w Patriotism, narrative n blind Following.

My love for my country n my army is more than anyone's.

Just hold your arguments n limit them to the topic.
If moderators don't like the thread then they can close it as they always do with my threads..

Thanks.
Plz don't b dubious sir...

 

[undercover JIX]

Simple Indian propaganda to brain wash Pakistanis and we have seen its effects. How much counter you can do this, when you give space and platform to it, it will definitely leave its effects. Have not you seen each and every news regarding Pakistan starts with some derogatory worlds coming out of India, in a similar manner. it has achieved its purpose and now even Pakistanis are starting to think in a similar manner. Pakistani Media is still in Indian love and aman ki asha........

anyway PDF will play its part either way.....and one way is to not give any space to this type of propaganda and or highlight negatives on India....or whatever necessary...

 

[hassan zohaib]

Salaam



Well, without war Azad Kashmir wouldn't be very Azad. We know how things go when we lose a war - Bangladesh.

With regards to economy - our economy is bad not because of war but because of corruption and mismanagement.

Yes, this seems logical one.

Wars are necessary but policymakers always try to prevent them n this is what diplomacy all about. We fought n we won but v learned n should learn from our mistakes as well. To highlight mistakes v should not call others Traitors.
I m not in Army but i do know this when meetings are held n discussion takes place or policy is developed then arguments r countered, every aspect is gone through n the same purpose i keep in mind when i post here...

It will b not altogether right to say that corruption n mismanagement is solely responsible for bad Economy. China was subsumed into corruption but the way they turnaround simply don't proove the relationship b/w bad econmy n corruption...

 

[Counter-Errorist]

For an academic, you seem to be having a hard time writing full words and proper grammar.

 

[hassan zohaib]

For an academic, you seem to be having a hard time writing full words and proper grammar.

I m not an academic.
My pardon for mistakes...

 

[undercover JIX]

Since its inception Pakistan has been into continuous state of war. Wars n opponents may have changed but Pak remained involved all the time. 48, 65, 71, Afghan 1st war, kargil, Afghan 2nd war are few overt n covert wars. Now just imagine a scenario what if these all or at least a few were not fought then what would have pak current condition??
Would Pak b a state in current Economic strangling?? Would pak b taunted for its bad Economic performance???

Would Pak b on Terrorism trajectory?? Would our Educational level b at such level where Economy n science would b our basis for development???

Would our Religion b maligned in d same way like today it is maligned???

Where would b us in space???

What would have our clout???


Indians taunting for our bad econmy n educational level, it hurts but when we go forward then it's better to learn from past n this is d Right approach n questions, i guess....

Now plz your turn.
What do u think??

Please enlighten us, how Pakistan should have avoided all these conflicts? Please keep in mind India wants atot ang back since Independence and continuously working on it.

Pakistan is fighting its existential and survival war since 1947.

it is easy to talk would have and should have. I am sure each and every one of us thinks at some point if I should have done this or that in the past, that would have been better and now I should have been in better condition...but can you do anything about it.

Pakistan went to war for its existence and survival and we showed the enemy we are not an easy target, hence they can bark and buy and buy to try to have an edge...but so far failed even when they are much bigger in size and numbers. Yes we paid the price, but its worth and we will go to war again if needed, no matter what the cost.

 

[Dubious]

Sir, i m not the one who build narratives. I just see n try to highlight. This is my analysis n it may have wrong premises n this is why i always write in the end that plz discuss...

U wrote here so thanks but should i b in agreement wd u it's my discretion.

I don't loose my etiquettes despite being hidden behind d veil but i can discern b/w Patriotism, narrative n blind Following.

My love for my country n my army is more than anyone's.

Just hold your arguments n limit them to the topic.
If moderators don't like the thread then they can close it as they always do with my threads..

Thanks.
Plz don't b dubious sir...

Why so defensive?

The post in red is the right of a mod to warn members of a thread no one specific.

You didn't even discuss my pov but chose to B's instead? None of which has anything to do with me nor what I wrote in reply to your thread...kindly don't troll...now this is a warning to you specifically learn the difference!

 

[hassan zohaib]

Why so defensive?

The post in red is the right of a mod to warn members of a thread no one specific.

You didn't even discuss my pov but chose to B's instead? None of which has anything to do with me nor what I wrote in reply to your thread...kindly don't troll...now this is a warning to you specifically learn the difference!

It's not defense but ranting.
Anyone raising finger on patriotism should b dealt in d same way...

Sorry n thanks sir.

U n many patriotic here made me Patriotic.
From now onwards, i will just write "sub axha"...

Positive b positive..

U opened my eyes..

Thanks pdf...

 

[Dubious]

A simple reminder:
People learn to counter the narrative not the member ...

Until and unless you learn to do that, you aren't going to see much progress in our fate