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It's my job to be informed.
All I have told you is OSINT. No "insider information" whatsoever on public forums. My insight into this may be wrong but given all the indications that I have listed I am rarely wrong on situations such as these.
WoW! the arrogance of it all.
Hi...Jliu...
question here.....
What are the chances that India will pick U214?????
That particular chance is very high. You can refer to my numerous posts on this in the Indian Sub Tender in the Indian Defence section as to the particulars.
That particular chance is very high. You can refer to my numerous posts on this in the Indian Sub Tender in the Indian Defence section as to the particulars.
You can quote that LCA is 5th generation. You can quote a lot more then that. Indians have the habbit of ordering everything but there is a reality that they can do (if that is the case and I doubt that) and if they ever get the deal. We have seen Hawk purchase... They crashed the plane and start blaiming others. We have seen MKI and we have seen problems in getting spare parts. We have seen a lot more but I rather see real documented request from official parties then numerouss posts from Indians. Which did say that JF17 was a paperplane... And we know the reality is terrible different. So... Is this an uncle story or will we see some facts.
Hey Jliu,
Good to see your posts. You know your business and thats good.
Just a query. What happened about the submarine rescue project of the Indian Navy ?
Did they buy from the canadian firm ?
Regards
Jliu,
Correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize your points:
1. Indian and Israeli lobbying will prevent the U214 from being approved at the highest levels in Germany.
2. The expected Indian RFP means TKMS has a chance to bid for the larger Indian order, and may choose to ignore the Pakistani one in favor of that.
On the first point, while it is to be expected that India and Israel will lobby against the sale, I find the geo-political situation to be too volatile to come to any concrete conclusions regarding the success of such lobbying efforts.
On the second, assuming approval by the Pakistani legislature, would TKMS fore go a Pakistani order for 3-4 subs in lieu of a potential order from India, given the recent inordinate bureaucratic delays and snafu's associated with other Indian military procurement?
Also include the infrastructural bottlenecks in India, assuming India wants a large part of the contract to be completed at Indian shipyards, and does this not essentially mean that TKMS would lose out on a potential confirmed order for 3-4 SSK's against a possible IN sale at some point in the future?
I also understand that the PN has issued RFP's for 4 FFG's, with the Meko 200 being a possible contender, so a U214 sale to Pakistan does hold the potential for further contracts for TKMS, though obviously not as large as India's.
It really would not surprise me if the Senate inquiry/review of the U214 is politically motivated in order to swing any order towards DCN.
I would concur with you on the concrete conclusions until there is definite word but I would like to ask you if you believe or know that the PN would operate the same type of SSK as the Indians if the situation arises say the U214 or Scorpene?
Jliu
thank you for your informative and logical posts. I guese the question could be put to you in reverse order as well. Would IN like to operate a platform that PN already has?
the reason I ask is that PN has confirmed that it has a requirement for 3-4 platforms. If all goes well the order and subsequent delivery to Pakistan would start before India,given that In has n0ot even initiated its proceedings. So would the reverse not hold true.
regards
Araz