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Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

Which rifle should win the competition?

  • FN-SCAR-H

    Votes: 241 42.9%
  • Beretta ARX-200

    Votes: 62 11.0%
  • CZ-806 Bren2

    Votes: 116 20.6%
  • Kalashnikov AK-103

    Votes: 127 22.6%
  • Zavasta M21

    Votes: 17 3.0%

  • Total voters
    562
I am all agreement on the fact that Pakistan needs a new standard assualt rifle. Wajahat Syed Ali Khan in his documentary we are soldiers pointed out the limitations of the G3A3, including jamming problem, limited range among other issues.
 
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Awsome PAKISTAN ARMY made my day since last 4 years im taking this issue now they are bringing somr sense

Thank to brave sensefull thinker planber GENERAL RAHEEL SHARIF

WE SALUTE YOU AND YOUR WORK

HK 417 and SCAR or G 36 are best

What about machine gun and MP 5 are they going to replace them too
 
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Dude, developing an assault rifle needs R&D and R&D needs alot of money. We have a very small budget and need to use it efficiently. If you are willing to lend the money we wont have any problem manufacturing rifles.
sir, equation will be same if you assault rifle from foreign vendor say hk-417 rifle which is expensive and you will buy these rifles in hundreds of thousands in quantity,

but on other hand what has come out from R&D will be nearly 5x less expensive than these hk-417.. but R&D takes time.
 
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pakistan didn't use any most modern product of FN or H&K. SCAR is a JV, for importing SCAR you need uncle sam's (USA) permission. because they are the original manufacturer. remember US once refuse to give sniper rifle to pakistan army. '
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that is a marksman rifle.

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ColtM4 and M4A1 carbine / assault rifle (USA)





Colt M4 carbine, current issue model with removable carrying handle, left side





Colt M4 carbine, current issue model with removable carrying handle, right side





Colt M4 carbine, old version with fixed M16A2-style carrying handle and M203 grenade launcher





Colt M4 carbine, current issue model with Trijicon ACOG telescope sight installed over the integral Picatinny rail and M203 grenade launche mounted onto the RIS forend.





Colt M4 carbine with Mk.18 CQBR upper receiver, fitted with Aimpoint red-dot sight and additional back-up iron sights (BUIS)





THOR Global Defense Group TR-15 carbine, manufactured along the lines of US GI M4, but fitted with a number of accessories such as AAC silencer, Vltor rail forend and buttstock, and Trijicon ACOG 4X optical sight
image: THOR Global Defense Group





image: THOR Global Defense Group



Click here to see the the SOPMOD M4A1 kit (54 Kb JPEG, will open in new window)

Caliber: 5.56mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 838 mm (stock extended); 757 mm (stock fully collapsed)
Barrel length: 370 mm
Weight: 2.52 kg without magazine; 3.0 kg with magazine loaded with 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 700 - 950 rounds per minute
Maximum effective range: 360 m

The Colt company developed various carbine versions of the basic AR-15 / M16 rifle since 1970s. These carbines were intended for all markets - military, law enforcement, civilian. US Military (and some other armies, most notably - Israeli Self-Defense Forces) had adopted the Colt CAR-15 Commando and XM-177 carbines during the 1970s and 1980s. But early in 1990s the old idea of replacing the pistols in the hands of the troops with some more effective, shoulder fired weapon, rise again in the heads of the US Military. In fact, this idea can be dated back to the US M1 Carbine of 1941, but good ideas never die. So, in the 1994, US Army adopted the Colt Model 720 selective-fire carbine (basically, a shortened M16A2 rifle), as the US M4 Carbine. This weapon was intended to replace in service some M9 pistols, as well as some aged M3A1 submachine guns and some M16A2 rifles. New weapon was much more handy and comfortable to carry, than the long M16A2 rifle, so the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) put its eye on the M4 as a possible universal weapon for all Special Operations community. For this purpose M4 was latter modified with the M16A3-style flat-top receiver with integral Picatinny-type accessory rail instead of the M16A2/M4-type integral carrying handle. This modificatin retained the M4 index. The only difference between the M4A1 and M4 is that its trigger unit of M4A1 is modified to fire full-auto instead of the three shots bursts in M4. Specially for the SOCOM M4A1s US Naval Surface Warfare Center developed a SOPMOD M4 kit, that consisted of the M4A1 carbine equipped with Rail Interface System (RIS) instead of the standard handguards. The kit also includes a variety of the add-on goodies, such as various sights (ACOG 4X telescopic, ACOG Reflex red-dot, detachable back-up open sights), laser pointers (visible and infra-red), detachable sound suppressor (silencer), modified M203 40mm grenade launcher (with shortened barrel and improved sights). The kit also included a detachable front grip and tactical light.

At the present time, the M4 carbine is used as a front-line weapon by US Army, Marine Corps and SOCOM operators in Iraq and Afghanistan. Combat experience with thos weapon resulted in update program, which will, as of now (mid-2010) following steps. First, Army wanted to install heavier barrel to allow more sustained firepower, combined with full-automatic mode of fire instead of 3-round burst, and ambidextrous safety/selector switch. Second stage will see improved rail adapter and a new, improved bolt carrier, and a possible third stage will include change of operating system (most probably, from direct gas to the gas piston).

At the present time, the Colt company still is the the prime M4 carbine manufacturer for US Armed forces, but many other companies build similar "milspec" weapons for other US and foreign customers, such as government and private security organizations, law enforcement etc. To name just few, M4-type carbines are manufactured by Bushmaster Firearms, Olympic Arms, THOR Global Defense Group and others

Technical description.
The M4 carbine differs from the M16A2 rifle only by having a shorter barrel and a telescoped, 4-position buttstock. The M4A1 is a similar modification of the M16A3 rifle, so for general technical description please refer to theM16 article on this site.


Already used by SSG and special forces.
no need to make it our default Assault Rifle.

HK 417 is a perfect choice and Id love it if our soldiers start using it.

gonna be a great leap from G3 that also has served us well for decades.
 
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Awsome PAKISTAN ARMY made my day since last 4 years im taking this issue now they are bringing somr sense

Thank to brave sensefull thinker planber GENERAL RAHEEL SHARIF

WE SALUTE YOU AND YOUR WORK

HK 417 and SCAR or G 36 are best

What about machine gun and MP 5 are they going to replace them too
MP5 is cheap and effective. It is a good option. I don't think we need to change our smg. We can't afford the P90 and other options are the MP4A1 and others. MP5 is better than this.
 
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As it is now fully confirmed that Pakistan has decided to replace G3 with a new standard weapon. For this a board of Army officers led by a Major General will evaluate all major Guns used by leading militaries in the world and one of them will be chosen for Pakistan so it's time to discuss potential candidates and their features.
By the way MPT-76 are first to come for evaluation.
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Dear you did not tagged me i was the one who keep saying we need to replace every one here said we are happy with G 3 finally what i said happebed as i did that we need russia to be our friend every one opposed it in 2009 u can dig my thread on russia toi.

But no oblidgement no thanx nothing seems im alone fighting a war of words and sense

It hurts when u talk on issue and other people take the credit thanx but not tagging super falcon have. Good day
 
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MP5 is cheap and effective. It is a good option. I don't think we need to change our smg. We can't afford the P90 and other options are the MP4A1 and others. MP5 is better than this.
MP5 is old and now in the process of being fazed out. P90 is already being used by SSW.

Dear you did not tagged me i was the one who keep saying we need to replace every one here said we are happy with G 3 finally what i said happebed as i did that we need russia to be our friend every one opposed it in 2009 u can dig my thread on russia toi.

But no oblidgement no thanx nothing seems im alone fighting a war of words and sense

It hurts when u talk on issue and other people take the credit thanx but not tagging super falcon have. Good day
Thanks for raising the issue man. It looks like Army carefully monitors this forum and considers the suggestions we give here.

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Somebody already posted Local Police SF using HK's
Those are not HK those are Italian Gun.
 
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Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle (Italy)

Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle, early prototype (ca.2008)





Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle, production version (2013) in 5.56x45 NATO




Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle, production version (2013) in 7.62x39 M43 Russian




Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle, production version with GLX-160 grenade launcher





Beretta ARX-100 self-loading rifle for civilian use, in 7.62x39 Russian


Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle partially disassembled






Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39 M43
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 820-900 mm with 406 mm barrel and butt in ready position; 680 mm with butt folded
Barrel length: 305 mm / 12" or 406 mm / 16", quick changeable
Weight: ~ 3.1 kg with 406 mm barrel, w/o mag
Rate of fire: 700 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds



The Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle is manufactured by famous Beretta company in Italy. Starting 2012, ARX-160 rifle is in use by Italian army. It is also offered for export, with initial customers being Special Forces of Algeria, Egypt and Kazakhstan (latter bought 7.62x39 version). A semi-automatic only version of the ARX-160 is offered for civilian sales as Beretta ARX-100 rifle, also in 5.56 / .223 Rem and 7.62x39.



The Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle is gas operated weapon that utilizes conventional piston-operated action, with short stroke gas piston located above the barrel. Barrel locking is achieved by more or less conventional rotary bolt. Unlike most other assault rifles, the Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle features quick-detachable barrels, which can be changed by operator in the field by depressing the barrel release button (located on right side of receiver, in front of magazine housing), pulling the barrel forward and out of the gun, and then inserting another (or same) barrel back. The receiver consists of two parts, upper (which holds barrel and bolt group) and lower (which hosts magazine housing, trigger unit and pistol grip). Both halves are made from impact-resistant polymer and connected using special quick-release locks, so there are no pins to push out (and lose). Another interesting and unusual feature of the Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle is that it has selectable left / right side ejection system with dual ejection ports (on either side of the gun) and user-switchable left / right position of cocking handle. To change the direction of empty case ejection, user has to push the cross-bolt button, located above and slightly to the rear of pistol grip, by the tip of the bullet (or other pointed item). This affects dual extractor-ejector claws, installed on the bolt, forcing them to eject spent cartridge to the desired side without any further disassembly of the gun or parts change. Charging handle, which is attached to the bolt carrier, also can be installed on either side of the gun. The Beretta ARX-160 assault rifle fires from closed bolt, in single shots and full automatic mode, and has ambidextrous safety / fire mode selector switch conveniently located above pistol grip. Upper receiver is fitted with full-length Picatinny type rail, made of aluminum, which can accommodate a wide variety of sighting equipment, including iron, telescopic, red-dot or electronic sights. Standard open sights are mounted on folding bases using rail interface. Additional lengths of Picatinny rail are installed on the forend on 3-, 6- and 9- o'clock positions. Lower (6-o'clock) position rail is strong enough to host GLX 160 40mm single-shot grenade launcher. Standard buttstock is also made of plastic, and folds to the right side. The buttstock is of telescoped, user-adjustable design.
Guns looks ugly

Buddies dong forget FAMAS ASSAULT RIFLE FRANCE

AND THERE IS ITALIAN AR FORGET ITS NAME
 
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Thales EF88 / F90 assault rifle (Australia)

Thales EF88 / F90 assault rifle with 40cm barrel




Thales EF88 / F90 assault rifle with 50cm barrel and underbarrel grenade launcher









F90 carbine

F90

Caliber

5.56x45 NATO

5.56x45 NATO

Length

700 mm

802 mm

Barrel length

407 mm

508 mm

Weight

3.25 kg

3.39 kg

Rate of fire

850 RPM

850 RPM

Magazine

30 rounds

30 rounds



F90 assault rifle, also known as EF88 (enhanced F88) is an evolution of the F88 assault rifle, which was adopted by Australian and New Zealand armed forces during late 1980s. The original F88 rifle is a licensed copy of the AustrianSteyr AUG rifle, and it was produced in Australia at Australian Defense Industries factory in Lithgow. Today this same factory is operated by the Thales Australia, which developed EF88 / F90 rifle as a next weapon for Australian army, as well as for export.
While internally and externally the F90 is still close to Steyr AUG, it has many distinctive upgrades and changes, developed by Thales to fulfill current and near-future requirements of Australian armed forces. The Thales F90 rifles were first displayed to the public in mid-2012, and initial production is scheduled for 2013.
The resulting weapon is said to be much more reliable and comfortable than original F88 / Steyr AUG rifle. It is also noticeably lighter: standard F90 with 50 cm / 20” barrel is about 0.5 kg / 1.1 lbs lighter than standard F88 rifle; with new 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher installed, resulting weapon is more than 1.6 kg / 3.5 lbs lighter than F88 rifle equipped with M203PI grenade launcher.





F90 / EF88 assault rifle is gas operated, selectively fired weapon of bullpup layout. It uses polymer housing with improved shape of buttstock (including the new buttpad and added comb for better cheek-weld). Gas operated, short-stroke, rotary bolt action is similar to that of original Steyr AUG, but the gas block is modified. Aluminum alloy receiver is also modified to improve reliability and reduce weight. Ejection ports and ejection covers also modified to ensure reliable extraction under all conditions.
Unlike all previous versions of the Steyr AUG, the F90 has non-removable barrels, cold-hammer forged and externally fluted. Standard F90 rifles are offered with 50 cm / 20” barrels; other versions include carbines with 40 cm / 16” barrel and CQB variants with 36 cm / 14.1” barrel. Other clearly visible changes include extended Mil-Std (Picatinny) rail at the top; bottom rail has replaced original folding forward grip of the Steyr AUG / F88. Third accessory rail is mounted on the right side of the weapon. Trigger guard is redesigned to accept new, specially designed 40mm Underbarrel Grenade Launcher. This lightweight add-on weapon can be quickly attached directly to the bottom rail of the host rifle, and then easily removed when not required. Less visible changes include addition of the bolt hold-open device to facilitate faster reloads. F90 will feed from the same proprietary translucent magazines, made from polymer as the original Steyr AUG / F88 rifles, although optional STANAG-compatible version is said to be available in the near future. Basic sighting is provided by Trijicon ACOG optical sights with 1.5X or 3.5X magnification, although sights can be easily changed, thanks to MilStd mounts.
 
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MP5 is old and now in the process of being fazed out. P90 is already being used by SSW.


Thanks for raising the issue man. It looks like Army carefully monitors this forum and considers the suggestions we give here.


Those are not HK those are Italian Gun.
Thanks zarvan atleast you agree with my pists appritiate your work here

Hope they replace MP 5 and old machine gun which army uses hope army dont stop keep upgrading our army should consider seriously one way or other we need next gen rifles for bravest Soldier in worl

Pakistan Must update bracest soldiers of modern soldiers with state
Gen 4 comes with three sets of grips :P
Mana that it's initial batches had problems due to the new recoil spring assembly, but those were fixed too.
We should also consider Sig P226 DAK. Thing is built like a tank.


In USA, SAR B6 goes for under $300,
Gen 4 Glock 17 is around $550-650 new.

Pakistan should adopt XS big dots on all our Pistols.
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Agreed awsome friend salute to ur sense
today im happiest person ARMY get best weapon in hands
 
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The point is that you need some time (decade) to chose, produce and completly replace the G3 with domestic production. In that decede your army will have to survive with the upgraded G3
No it is not a aircraft carrier even carriers can be replaced in years
3 to 5 years enough once TOT signed we have a world best labour power we can managd

Currently we have stop gap AK 47 used by army so G 3A3 is not one we rely on we can get through these 4 years time sith what we have
important thing in this time we start the prcess to replace these old guns

Pakistan must Upgrade its infantry soldiers gear specialy rifle world greatest bravest soldier must have state of the art weapons etc. Our soldiers sacrifice their life everyday so we sleep in peace time to give thdm gift by nation for their sacrifices


Super falcon

So war is between HK 417 vs SCAR for me which one to end up in habds of modern bravest soldiers company

Who ever win it in it self the gun maker can be more than happy to sell it to PA due to professionalism which our army has

Second to none
 
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