Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Vapnope]

yes, hes right - we produced all the guns in Pof Wah - in less then a month and then we tested them to our standard in a month time ---- it was not hard to make First clones of these guns at PoF --- easy peazy

So we will not actually procure the rifles from vendor but actually will produce clones under the license? Why not get the production facility for original?

yes, hes right - we produced all the guns in Pof Wah - in less then a month and then we tested them to our standard in a month time ---- it was not hard to make First clones of these guns at PoF --- easy peazy

So we will not actually procure the rifles from vendor but actually will produce clones under the license? Why not get the production facility for original?

 

[That Guy]

So we will not actually procure the rifles from vendor but actually will produce clones under the license? Why not get the production facility for original?

License production doesn't mean clones, it means license production. When you get a license to produce a certain system, you get the rights to use the machinery that the company uses to make the systems in question.

Not only that, because the rifles would be cheaper to produce in Pakistan, if the company gets smaller orders from other places, they can ask Pakistan to produce the rifles at a fraction of the cost. This way, the company will be even more competitive. A similar thing happened with the HK-G3, where manufacturing costs for the gun plummeted, simply because HK started licencing their guns to places where labor and material was cheaper, such as Pakistan.

Basically, whichever company wins, they'll be giving Pakistan the exact machinery needed to build the rifles under licence.

Again, that's not the same thing as building clones. It's not a Norinco CQ type of situation.

 

[Vapnope]

License production doesn't mean clones, it means license production. When you get a license to produce a certain system, you get the rights to use the machinery that the company uses to make the systems in question.

Basically, whichever company wins, they'll be giving Pakistan the exact machinery needed to build the rifles under licence.

Again, that's not the same thing as building clones. It's not a Norinco CQ type of situation.

Thanks for clarification. I wondered how they are going after clones.

 

[Kompromat]

After much anticipation now we know the contenders for the next generation replacement of Pakistan's current standard issue service rifle the hk-G3. This thread shall serve as a debate platform from now on.

Here are the contenders, do vote for your favorite one above.

1: FN-SCAR-H

2: Beretta ARX-200

3: CZ-806 Bren-2

4: Kalashnikov AK-103

5: Zastava M21

 

[CHD]

Can someone also provide the production cost of these contenders?

 

[Tipu7]

After much anticipation now we know the contenders for the next generation replacement of Pakistan's current standard issue service rifle the hk-G3. This thread shall serve as a debate platform from now on.

Here are the contenders, do vote for your favorite one above.

1: FN-SCAR-H

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2: Beretta ARX-200


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3: CZ-806 Bren-2
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4: Kalashnikov AK-103

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5: Zastava M21

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Are we going to select new Rifle based upon number of votes on PDF?

 

[Maarkhoor]

My vote for

4: Kalashnikov AK-103

More logical, battle proven, price and above all most of the P.A soldiers familiar with it.

 

[Kompromat]

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[Amaa'n]

as i said to somebody not too long ago --- I will sleep better in the arms of "Mother Russia" -- so anything coming out of Ru or former soviet state is a must to be picked up
changing a service rifle is not easy ---- you have to think again and again and again --- ---- test the weapon --- training the troops, muscle memory, stance, weapon handling ---- checking range, effectiveness ----- just because we love SCAR does not mean it should be selected --- I see scale being heavier on AK 103 & CZ Bren side because of 7.62 x 39 & 5.56 variants ----

considering both variants can be used be in Guerilla warfare or CI / CT Ops it should be preferred over 51N calibre --- our focus is shifting towards Protection & Security maintenance now --- SSU raised by Pakistan ARmy for CPEC, cannot be handed SCAR / 51N as it carries more weight as compared to AK 103 & CZ Bren with 7.62 x 39
Also don't forget each troop can have 90 rounds (3 mags) of AK / CZ as compared to 60 rounds of 51N with more weight

your troops have already shot down thousands of rounds down range training on that Type 56, so much isn't change with AK 103 -----

7.62 x 51 ammunition stocks at Wah can be sold out to Foreign countries or use them in LMG in house ---- issue resolved with us having huge stocks of 51N rounds ---- since weapons are to be phased out over a period of time --- the stocks are going to run out eventually ----- modify the G3M to make it DMR on squad level --- which btw is already being down with Azb

After much anticipation now we know the contenders for the next generation replacement of Pakistan's current standard issue service rifle the hk-G3. This thread shall serve as a debate platform from now on.

Here are the contenders, do vote for your favorite one above.

1: FN-SCAR-H

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2: Beretta ARX-200


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3: CZ-806 Bren-2
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4: Kalashnikov AK-103

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5: Zastava M21

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[New World]

where is HK?

 

[Zarvan]

After much anticipation now we know the contenders for the next generation replacement of Pakistan's current standard issue service rifle the hk-G3. This thread shall serve as a debate platform from now on.

Here are the contenders, do vote for your favorite one above.

1: FN-SCAR-H

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2: Beretta ARX-200


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3: CZ-806 Bren-2
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4: Kalashnikov AK-103

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5: Zastava M21

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It should be FN SCAR for number of reasons. First it's brand new system with much fire power accuracy and less recoil and it also offer various versions. Like it has DMR version and Self Defence version and also 5.56 version which can be used by our Special Forces. As for AK-13 sorry but it's already 15 years old and even Russia didn't used it as its main Battle Rifle instead they are developing AK-12 and other versions. For Serbia's M21 I have serious doubts it would survive our extreme temperatures.

 

[Amaa'n]

It should be FN SCAR for number of reasons. First it's brand new system with much fire power accuracy and less recoil and it also offer various versions. Like it has DMR version and Self Defence version and also 5.56 version which can be used by our Special Forces. As for AK-13 sorry but it's already 15 years old and even Russia didn't used it as its main Battle Rifle instead they are developing AK-12 and other versions. For Serbia's M21 I have serious doubts it would survive our extreme temperatures.

new means - its not well versed and battle proven --- AK design is battle proven and time tested ---- been through hell and back ---- how many of your SF are using 5.56 calibre, please remind me??
ZAB has tested the design and calibre and its effectiveness in the field --- our LCB are even equipped with AK ---- so switch will be easy -----

even AK comes with Compact version of 5.56 ---- so whats special with SCAR?? --- as i said its 90 rounds of 39 vs 60 rounds of 51N --- don't compare 5.56 here because that is for CQB --- losses the effectiveness at longer ranger - although much linear trajectory as compared to 39

 

[XILLAX]

missing this one on the list.

 

[Amaa'n]

missing this one on the list.

MPT is not in the Trails --- they did not respond to our request

 

[The Eagle]

AK is favourite due to use to with it so also experienced it since long however, FN Scar-H could be next but seems like less consideration for any new weapon system which will indeed cost more time to understand and master the rifle.