I have not seen the production prototype of BW-20. Have you? And what makes you think the pre-production prototype of BW-20 has subpar finishing? Do you even know what finishing is? Finishing is not aesthetic appeal, nor is it a rail over the barrel.
Stop being thick, Zarvan. We are not discussing MRAP procurement, politics, or the 1971 war.
As for reasons. Well Turkey in case you failed to notice has massive defence industry which is growing further and further. Turkey also replaced its G3 with MPT 76. Turkey has several companies which are making small arms. Like Kale and Kalip, Sarsilmaz, Canik and others. Many of them have hired people who have worked with companies like FN, Berreta, SIG and others. Plus our R and D of POF sucks and POF can hardly design a new gun on its own which can be of any proper use. Therefore getting TOT and then developing with R and D with Turkey's help plus joint ventures is way forward @RAMPAGE
what issues did you find with the new rifles that POF have introduced like BW20
None of those is a reason not to procure the BW-20. POF's Salman Ali had said the PA likes the BW-20, and it overcomes the shortfalls of the G-3.
No sex-appeal.
Produce 10000 of them as initial batch. Give them to soldiers on LOC, Afghan Border and other areas where we face attack. If soldiers doesn't come crying them ask me.
you did not answer my question?
I did. I know what Mr Salman is claiming but I am pretty sure he is wrong. And test them in real life. You would hear lot of same issues like jamming, heating up, plus seriously bad ergonomics. Like I said go ahead produce a initial batch of 10000 and put them to test. Soldiers answers after using them for few months will tell you all.
I have heard from people who have had experience visiting POF factories and western factories that POF uses older machining tools. So it is not far fetched to say that western equipment will have better finishing than local products, not to say our domestic industry makes unreliable weapons but western industries are more upto date. Also might i add the bw20 isnt the only battle rifle contending for being inducted at the moment.
They use older tools because you never bothered to update them. Plus the latest technology which world uses will give you both good finish plus a reliable weapon. Go ahead with BW 20. Produce 10000 initial batch give them to soldiers in hotspots and results in 8 months will prove what I am saying.
Yep. Equipment needs update asap. In my opinion we need a modular AR like platform.
Have you shot the Turkish guns or even POF guns? You are making a claim without any proof? Salman on the other hand has fired thousands of rounds from these guns, I am yet to see a better shooter then him in Pakistan.
Pristine finishing is neither here nor there. In PA trials, AK-103 was the most reliable contender in harsh conditions. I doubt its finishing is as good as FN Scar's.
Agreed but machinery used makes a very big difference in build quality of rifles.
Have you ever wondered ? Why most modern rifles which are in use with militaries around the world also look good. No they weren't designed to look good but do their job. But modern technology now makes sure you achieve both. Your argument was valid until 30 years ago. Same goes for all things in the world. Wehther they are cars, phones, mobiles and other things. As for Salman please go ahead produce 10000 as initial batch and give them to soldiers and it would tell how much they work. Yes experience. Turkish rifles did really well in trials and we can work with Turkey to improve them further according to our requirements plus get TOT and R and D at POF and do JV with them
