Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Gryphon]

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles

by Nathaniel F
2017-05-16

The CZ Bren 2 in 7.62x39mm - shown here - is a strong contender for the Pakistani rifle contract.

Thanks to a recent leak exclusively to The Firearm Blog, we have now become aware of a new tender for rifles issued by the Pakistani government. According to the tender document, the Pakistani Army is looking for 75,000 “modern 7.62x39mm caliber weapons”, presumably as part of the program to replace their aging fleet of G3 and Type 56 assault rifles. The specifications for the tender are given below:

The document that we have is not actually a raw tender, rather it is a manufacturer’s reply to a tender. As such, the document is divided into two parts. On the left of every sheet are the requirements as disseminated by the Pakistani government. On the right are the characteristics of the rifle from the company that is being solicited, according to its manufacturer. Essentially, on the left we have the solicitation, and on the right the reply.

Based on the characteristics of the rifle as listed on the right side of the document, it seems we are looking at either Česká Zbrojovka’s (CZ) or Beretta’s submission, with me leaning towards the former. We know that at least five companies are courting this Pakistani contract: FN, Kalashnikov Concern, CZ, Beretta, and Zastava. We can eliminate FN, as they have so far only offered the SCAR-H in 7.62x51mm. Zastava’s and Kalashnikov Concern’s offerings (the M21 and AK-103) do not meet the overall length criteria given by the manufacturer on page 1. That leaves Beretta and CZ as possibles. However, up till now Beretta has only offered their 7.62x51mm ARX-200, not their 7.62x39mm ARX-160A3, and it is also not obvious that Beretta offers a magazine with round counter for the latter rifle. This leaves CZ with their 7.62x39mm 806 Bren 2 as the most likely company for the rifle on the right.

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles | thefirearmblog.com

 

[Super Falcon]

Germans are not sensible business persons working for NATO won't do any good to them

 

[Arsalan]

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles

by Nathaniel F
2017-05-16

The CZ Bren 2 in 7.62x39mm - shown here - is a strong contender for the Pakistani rifle contract.

Thanks to a recent leak exclusively to The Firearm Blog, we have now become aware of a new tender for rifles issued by the Pakistani government. According to the tender document, the Pakistani Army is looking for 75,000 “modern 7.62x39mm caliber weapons”, presumably as part of the program to replace their aging fleet of G3 and Type 56 assault rifles. The specifications for the tender are given below:

The document that we have is not actually a raw tender, rather it is a manufacturer’s reply to a tender. As such, the document is divided into two parts. On the left of every sheet are the requirements as disseminated by the Pakistani government. On the right are the characteristics of the rifle from the company that is being solicited, according to its manufacturer. Essentially, on the left we have the solicitation, and on the right the reply.

Based on the characteristics of the rifle as listed on the right side of the document, it seems we are looking at either Česká Zbrojovka’s (CZ) or Beretta’s submission, with me leaning towards the former. We know that at least five companies are courting this Pakistani contract: FN, Kalashnikov Concern, CZ, Beretta, and Zastava. We can eliminate FN, as they have so far only offered the SCAR-H in 7.62x51mm. Zastava’s and Kalashnikov Concern’s offerings (the M21 and AK-103) do not meet the overall length criteria given by the manufacturer on page 1. That leaves Beretta and CZ as possibles. However, up till now Beretta has only offered their 7.62x51mm ARX-200, not their 7.62x39mm ARX-160A3, and it is also not obvious that Beretta offers a magazine with round counter for the latter rifle. This leaves CZ with their 7.62x39mm 806 Bren 2 as the most likely company for the rifle on the right.
LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles | thefirearmblog.com

CZ BERN would be an excellent choice for sure. The 7.62x39mm decision seems almost done now with the business details finalized to a large extent as well. The delay is most probable related to settling financial details and waiting for the budget.

I hope a decision on 7.62x51mm is made soon too.

Also as i have been saying for ages now, the guns are most likely to be procured in batches and the performance of the first batch will influence follow up orders that will eventually entirely replace the G3 and Type 56, It is not like since trials are done we will replace ALL GUNS in on go. The media may make it sound like that but will be just out of there ignorance!! The first batch in production and then in use will truly determine the future.

 

[Zarvan]

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles

by Nathaniel F
2017-05-16

The CZ Bren 2 in 7.62x39mm - shown here - is a strong contender for the Pakistani rifle contract.

Thanks to a recent leak exclusively to The Firearm Blog, we have now become aware of a new tender for rifles issued by the Pakistani government. According to the tender document, the Pakistani Army is looking for 75,000 “modern 7.62x39mm caliber weapons”, presumably as part of the program to replace their aging fleet of G3 and Type 56 assault rifles. The specifications for the tender are given below:

The document that we have is not actually a raw tender, rather it is a manufacturer’s reply to a tender. As such, the document is divided into two parts. On the left of every sheet are the requirements as disseminated by the Pakistani government. On the right are the characteristics of the rifle from the company that is being solicited, according to its manufacturer. Essentially, on the left we have the solicitation, and on the right the reply.

Based on the characteristics of the rifle as listed on the right side of the document, it seems we are looking at either Česká Zbrojovka’s (CZ) or Beretta’s submission, with me leaning towards the former. We know that at least five companies are courting this Pakistani contract: FN, Kalashnikov Concern, CZ, Beretta, and Zastava. We can eliminate FN, as they have so far only offered the SCAR-H in 7.62x51mm. Zastava’s and Kalashnikov Concern’s offerings (the M21 and AK-103) do not meet the overall length criteria given by the manufacturer on page 1. That leaves Beretta and CZ as possibles. However, up till now Beretta has only offered their 7.62x51mm ARX-200, not their 7.62x39mm ARX-160A3, and it is also not obvious that Beretta offers a magazine with round counter for the latter rifle. This leaves CZ with their 7.62x39mm 806 Bren 2 as the most likely company for the rifle on the right.

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles | thefirearmblog.com

@Horus and @balixd your comments are needed here

 

[Muhammad Omar]

just 75000???

 

[Zarvan]

just 75000???

That is the order which we would buy directly from company

 

[Muhammad Omar]

That is the order which we would buy directly from company

oh 10% order from company 90% production at POF Nice

 

[Path-Finder]

CZ BERN would be an excellent choice for sure. The 7.62x39mm decision seems almost done now with the business details finalized to a large extent as well. The delay is most probable related to settling financial details and waiting for the budget.

I hope a decision on 7.62x51mm is made soon too.

Also as i have been saying for ages now, the guns are most likely to be procured in batches and the performance of the first batch will influence follow up orders that will eventually entirely replace the G3 and Type 56, It is not like since trials are done we will replace ALL GUNS in on go. The media may make it sound like that but will be just out of there ignorance!! The first batch in production and then in use will truly determine the future.

Me thinks x39 is a priority because of the on going ops.

Our Hazrat is heavily reliant on the firearms blog and they have committed a blasphemy against the SCAR.

But as always SCAR was the best rifle in trials

 

[Vazir]

Me thinks x39 is a priority because of the on going ops.

Our Hazrat is heavily reliant on the firearms blog and they have committed a blasphemy against the SCAR.

But as always SCAR was the best rifle in trials

Because nothing beats SCAR. Period.

 

[Vapnope]

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles

by Nathaniel F
2017-05-16

The CZ Bren 2 in 7.62x39mm - shown here - is a strong contender for the Pakistani rifle contract.

Thanks to a recent leak exclusively to The Firearm Blog, we have now become aware of a new tender for rifles issued by the Pakistani government. According to the tender document, the Pakistani Army is looking for 75,000 “modern 7.62x39mm caliber weapons”, presumably as part of the program to replace their aging fleet of G3 and Type 56 assault rifles. The specifications for the tender are given below:

The document that we have is not actually a raw tender, rather it is a manufacturer’s reply to a tender. As such, the document is divided into two parts. On the left of every sheet are the requirements as disseminated by the Pakistani government. On the right are the characteristics of the rifle from the company that is being solicited, according to its manufacturer. Essentially, on the left we have the solicitation, and on the right the reply.

Based on the characteristics of the rifle as listed on the right side of the document, it seems we are looking at either Česká Zbrojovka’s (CZ) or Beretta’s submission, with me leaning towards the former. We know that at least five companies are courting this Pakistani contract: FN, Kalashnikov Concern, CZ, Beretta, and Zastava. We can eliminate FN, as they have so far only offered the SCAR-H in 7.62x51mm. Zastava’s and Kalashnikov Concern’s offerings (the M21 and AK-103) do not meet the overall length criteria given by the manufacturer on page 1. That leaves Beretta and CZ as possibles. However, up till now Beretta has only offered their 7.62x51mm ARX-200, not their 7.62x39mm ARX-160A3, and it is also not obvious that Beretta offers a magazine with round counter for the latter rifle. This leaves CZ with their 7.62x39mm 806 Bren 2 as the most likely company for the rifle on the right.

LEAKED: Pakistan Army Requirements for Tender of 75,000 New 7.62x39mm Rifles | thefirearmblog.com

Did anybody notice that less than 3.5 MOA accuracy is achieved only after using OEM (original equipment manufacturer) supplied ammo.
This technically means we will have to buy ammo every time from the selected vendor unless he shares ToT for ammo production as well.
@TheOccupiedKashmir @Path-Finder @Arsalan

 

[Path-Finder]

Did anybody notice that less than 3.5 MOA accuracy is achieved only after using OEM (original equipment manufacturer) supplied ammo.
This technically means we will have to buy ammo every time from the selected vendor unless he shares ToT for ammo production as well.
@TheOccupiedKashmir @Path-Finder @Arsalan

I am pretty sure it achieved that result as long as ammo is made at high quality in POF it won't be a problem.

Another thing is the Manufacturer says exceeding 10K is what the rifle can achieve with continuous mag dumps while POF has a limit for failure at lower as requested.

Me says porkies were being fed to us by secret "sources"

@Rafi man you have constantly right!

Because nothing beats SCAR. Period.

Forgive us SCAR haters we are blasphemers against the greatest rifle (ne)Ever

 

[Rafi]

I am pretty sure it achieved that result as long as ammo is made at high quality in POF it won't be a problem.

Another thing is the Manufacturer says exceeding 10K is what the rifle can achieve with continuous mag dumps while POF has a limit for failure at lower as requested.

Me says porkies were being fed to us by secret "sources"

@Rafi man you have constantly right!


Forgive us SCAR haters we are blasphemers against the greatest rifle (ne)Ever

SCAR Teri ja nassar be shared LoL.

CZ are offering a comprehensive long term relationship, that has put them within touching distance of winning the tender.

oh 10% order from company 90% production at POF Nice

Correct, with licence produced for export. And also ready upgrades.

 

[Zarvan]

I am pretty sure it achieved that result as long as ammo is made at high quality in POF it won't be a problem.

Another thing is the Manufacturer says exceeding 10K is what the rifle can achieve with continuous mag dumps while POF has a limit for failure at lower as requested.

Me says porkies were being fed to us by secret "sources"

@Rafi man you have constantly right!


Forgive us SCAR haters we are blasphemers against the greatest rifle (ne)Ever

CZ is pretty much out of competition dude. Pakistan may drop 7.62 X 39 caliber weapon. This is original tender which was issued hardly tells about what happened during the trials and repeating same crap which it heard during IDEAS

 

[Path-Finder]

CZ is pretty much out of competition dude. Pakistan may drop 7.62 X 39 caliber weapon. This is original tender which was issued hardly tells about what happened during the trials and repeating same crap which it heard during IDEAS

Hazrat only SCAR can come we know that! Anything else to add? Greatest rifle to fail globally can only come to Pakistan. Whoops

SCAR was the best rifle in trials

 

[Gryphon]

Did anybody notice that less than 3.5 MOA accuracy is achieved only after using OEM (original equipment manufacturer) supplied ammo.
This technically means we will have to buy ammo every time from the selected vendor unless he shares ToT for ammo production as well.
@TheOccupiedKashmir @Path-Finder @Arsalan

CZ used ammo supplied by Sellier & Bellot during the trials. Not very high quality.