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Pakistan’s PL-15 Missile Equipped JF-17 Block 3 is a Serious Game Changer - How India Can Respond to

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I remember reading in the ‘Air force Technology’ or a similar publication over the debate about the obsolescence of VVR missiles that Kill Zone /No Escape Zone of even the modern BVR A to A missiles such as the Meteor is only about 50 to 70 Km after that kill probability is reduced.

Modern BVR missiles speed is just over Mach 4, hence a maneuverable Mach 2 fighter such as F-16, if the pilot receives an early warning, would have sufficient time to dodge the missile if fired from an aircraft about 150 Km distant. On would need midcourse guidance via data link but such links are vulnerable against ECM. One would really need a Mach 8 missile to assure a kill over the modern fighter flying more than 150 Km away.

Another problem with BVR missiles is the cost. A single Meteor costs more than $2-million versus about $400K for AIM120C. Additionally in a BVR environment where many fighters are in the air simultaneously; one would need very good AWAC systems to overcome ‘Identify friend or foe’ problems.

My point here is that having a very long-range (say 250 Km or more) dos not necessarily make a better missile, many other advanced pieces of hardware are needed to make use of the full potential of such long-range A to A missiles.

Would appreciate comments from the Professionals.
 
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The funniest part of the Hindu-stani lungi article is that they claim to be China focused,
and building a force to dominate the indian ocean as a whole.

Still, a meager fighter like JF17 is causing them calculus problem.

Hi,

See---sometimes things happen right in front of our faces and we either ignore them or cannot comprehend them---.

The functional utility of the JF17 was taken from the Gripen---two aircrraft of exactly the same category in the end product---.

What happened was that personal dislikes personal grudges arrogance and ignorance made them think less of the JF17 till they got hit---.

I remember reading in the ‘Air force Technology’ or a similar publication over the debate about the obsolescence of VVR missiles that Kill Zone /No Escape Zone of even the modern BVR A to A missiles such as the Meteor is only about 50 to 70 Km after that kill probability is reduced.

Modern BVR missiles speed is just over Mach 4, hence a maneuverable Mach 2 fighter such as F-16, if the pilot receives an early warning, would have sufficient time to dodge the missile if fired from an aircraft about 150 Km distant. On would need midcourse guidance via data link but such links are vulnerable against ECM. One would really need a Mach 8 missile to assure a kill over the modern fighter flying more than 150 Km away.

Another problem with BVR missiles is the cost. A single Meteor costs more than $2-million versus about $400K for AIM120C. Additionally in a BVR environment where many fighters are in the air simultaneously; one would need very good AWAC systems to overcome ‘Identify friend or foe’ problems.

My point here is that having a very long-range (say 250 Km or more) dos not necessarily make a better missile, many other advanced pieces of hardware are needed to make use of the full potential of such long-range A to A missiles.

Would appreciate comments from the Professionals.

Hi,

It would also depend on how many BVR's are chasing one aircraft---. Meaning a volley of missile shots would have a better % of success--.
 
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Hi,

See---sometimes things happen right in front of our faces and we either ignore them or cannot comprehend them---.

The functional utility of the JF17 was taken from the Gripen---two aircrraft of exactly the same category in the end product---.

What happened was that personal dislikes personal grudges arrogance and ignorance made them think less of the JF17 till they got hit---.



Hi,

It would also depend on how many BVR's are chasing one aircraft---. Meaning a volley of missile shots would have a better % of success--.

Not to forget the factor of EW resistance built in missiles to resist counter measures, beyond just lobbing multiple BVRs. For JF—17 this is critical due to our lower load out of BVRs compared to fighters in Indian inventory.
 
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Hi,

It would also depend on how many BVR's are chasing one aircraft---. Meaning a volley of missile shots would have a better % of success--.

Mastan Sb, PAF flight ops is section oriented now. there will more then one missile chasing an enemy.

grit of situation is how quickly things will go from 34nm to merge! and then furball.
 
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Seriously a Chinese EW advanced Than Elta 8222 or SAP-18

If you Said ALQ-211 AIDEW or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites of PAF F-16 52+ I believed It


But Chinese seriously ??


LOL Mig-29 Upg use D29 EW
Which AESA Based DRFM's
Most advanced after Spectra

:rolleyes:
Chinese Even Say Covid-19 Not person to person :D
Rest History

They Will Say ws-10 Superior to AL-31 if its started working

Why PAF choose RD-93 over WS-10 then ???

Only one question, if so much advance is already there then why IAF took that beating from PAF on 27.02.2019 why IAF ran for upgrades in EW and BVR??
 
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After A Loss To Pakistan, India Wants Israel To Replace Its Russian Air-To-Air Missiles

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range.

by Michael Peck
Key point: India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapon. But New Delhi isn't done buying Russian military technology.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.

In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.




What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).
“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.


But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.

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Some info about Derby ..


Derby (Alto) is a beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile (AAM) developed by Israeli defence company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to meet the combat needs of the armed forces.

The Derby AAM can be integrated onto a variety of fighter aircraft such as F-5, F-16 Fighting Falcon, Gripen E and Mirage and is capable of engaging aerial threats from short ranges and near-beyond visual range.

Derby can be configured as a surface-to-air missile (SAM) for launch from a Spyder-SR / MR short and medium-range mobile air defence system, which also incorporates Python-5 dual waveband imaging infrared (IIR) missile.

In November 2019, the naval variant of the LCA Tejas fighter aircraft carried the Derby BVR missile during a successful launch from a shore-based test facility in Goa, India.

Derby BVR missile development details
Development of the Derby began in early-1980s, while the missile was introduced in mid-1990s. The missile entered service in 1998 and is operational with six countries.

Rafael Armament Development Authority received a $25m contract in February 2005 to supply 20 Derby BVR missiles and six practice missiles for integration onto the Indian Navy’s Sea Harrier aircraft.

Derby missile variants
Derby’s variants include I-Derby and I-Derby ER (Extended Range). The upgraded I-Derby AAR missile is equipped with a software-defined active radar seeker and was unveiled at the Aero India 2015 exhibition held in Bengaluru, India.

The I-Derby ER advanced active radar missile was unveiled at the Paris Air Show 2015. It features a solid-state active radar seeker and a dual pulse rocket motor, which provides an operational range of up to 100km.

The missile can be launched from Sea Harrier jet fighter, F-16 (Block 52) Fighting Falcon, F-5E Tiger II, and IAI Kfir combat aircraft. It was exhibited during the Seoul International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition (ADEX) held Seoul, South Korea, in October 2015.

The I-Derby ER has been selected by India to equip the LCA Tejas light combat supersonic fighter.

The Indian Air Force is also considering equipping its Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets with I-Derby ER missiles.

Test-firing from LCA Tejas
The missile was successfully test-fired for the first time from LCA Tejas aircraft in May 2017 as part of integration and demonstration tests. The launch was followed by another test-firing in April 2018 to expand the firing envelope. The successful tests were instrumental in the fighter achieving the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) in February 2019.

Derby air-to-air missile design and features
The Derby BVR missile, featuring lightweight design, is equipped with four main wings and four conventional planar fins in the tail assembly. It is designed to offer increased operational flexibility and multi-shot capability.

“Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km.”
The weapon has a length of 362cm, a wing span of 64cm and a diameter of 16cm. It weighs 118kg and is armed with a 23kg warhead. The seeker and guidance system are fitted in the front of the missile, while the rocket motor is placed at the rear.

The missile can operate in lock-on before launch (LOBL) and lock-on after launch (LOAL) modes. In LOAL mode of operation, it receives target information after being deployed from its launch platform, while in LOBL mode, which is enabled in tight dogfights, the seeker is locked onto the target before the missile is launched.

Guidance and warhead
The active radar seeker provides guidance and improved target accuracy at radio frequency (RF). The radar’s look-down / shoot-down capability enables the missile to attack targets below and along the line of the horizon.

Derby’s high-explosive fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead defeats non-armoured targets and light material targets.

The weapon features fire-and-forget engagement capability and can be optionally fitted with advanced, programmable electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM) for operation in hostile environments.

Performance of the Derby missile for enemy target launch
Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km. It can be launched at an enemy target under all weather conditions, both during day and at night.
 
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After A Loss To Pakistan, India Wants Israel To Replace Its Russian Air-To-Air Missiles

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range.

by Michael Peck
Key point: India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapon. But New Delhi isn't done buying Russian military technology.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.

In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.




What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).
“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.


But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.

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Some info about Derby ..


Derby (Alto) is a beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile (AAM) developed by Israeli defence company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to meet the combat needs of the armed forces.

The Derby AAM can be integrated onto a variety of fighter aircraft such as F-5, F-16 Fighting Falcon, Gripen E and Mirage and is capable of engaging aerial threats from short ranges and near-beyond visual range.

Derby can be configured as a surface-to-air missile (SAM) for launch from a Spyder-SR / MR short and medium-range mobile air defence system, which also incorporates Python-5 dual waveband imaging infrared (IIR) missile.

In November 2019, the naval variant of the LCA Tejas fighter aircraft carried the Derby BVR missile during a successful launch from a shore-based test facility in Goa, India.

Derby BVR missile development details
Development of the Derby began in early-1980s, while the missile was introduced in mid-1990s. The missile entered service in 1998 and is operational with six countries.

Rafael Armament Development Authority received a $25m contract in February 2005 to supply 20 Derby BVR missiles and six practice missiles for integration onto the Indian Navy’s Sea Harrier aircraft.

Derby missile variants
Derby’s variants include I-Derby and I-Derby ER (Extended Range). The upgraded I-Derby AAR missile is equipped with a software-defined active radar seeker and was unveiled at the Aero India 2015 exhibition held in Bengaluru, India.

The I-Derby ER advanced active radar missile was unveiled at the Paris Air Show 2015. It features a solid-state active radar seeker and a dual pulse rocket motor, which provides an operational range of up to 100km.

The missile can be launched from Sea Harrier jet fighter, F-16 (Block 52) Fighting Falcon, F-5E Tiger II, and IAI Kfir combat aircraft. It was exhibited during the Seoul International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition (ADEX) held Seoul, South Korea, in October 2015.

The I-Derby ER has been selected by India to equip the LCA Tejas light combat supersonic fighter.

The Indian Air Force is also considering equipping its Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets with I-Derby ER missiles.

Test-firing from LCA Tejas
The missile was successfully test-fired for the first time from LCA Tejas aircraft in May 2017 as part of integration and demonstration tests. The launch was followed by another test-firing in April 2018 to expand the firing envelope. The successful tests were instrumental in the fighter achieving the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) in February 2019.

Derby air-to-air missile design and features
The Derby BVR missile, featuring lightweight design, is equipped with four main wings and four conventional planar fins in the tail assembly. It is designed to offer increased operational flexibility and multi-shot capability.

“Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km.”
The weapon has a length of 362cm, a wing span of 64cm and a diameter of 16cm. It weighs 118kg and is armed with a 23kg warhead. The seeker and guidance system are fitted in the front of the missile, while the rocket motor is placed at the rear.

The missile can operate in lock-on before launch (LOBL) and lock-on after launch (LOAL) modes. In LOAL mode of operation, it receives target information after being deployed from its launch platform, while in LOBL mode, which is enabled in tight dogfights, the seeker is locked onto the target before the missile is launched.

Guidance and warhead
The active radar seeker provides guidance and improved target accuracy at radio frequency (RF). The radar’s look-down / shoot-down capability enables the missile to attack targets below and along the line of the horizon.

Derby’s high-explosive fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead defeats non-armoured targets and light material targets.

The weapon features fire-and-forget engagement capability and can be optionally fitted with advanced, programmable electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM) for operation in hostile environments.

Performance of the Derby missile for enemy target launch
Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km. It can be launched at an enemy target under all weather conditions, both during day and at night.

some interesting information about Derby
Derby was in operational service with South African air Force cheetahs named as "R-Darter" with both modes of operations LOAL/LOBL they were manufacturing them in late 90s..by guess who Denel/Kentron.

So PAF already knows about it quite well :)
 
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After A Loss To Pakistan, India Wants Israel To Replace Its Russian Air-To-Air Missiles

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range.

by Michael Peck
Key point: India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapon. But New Delhi isn't done buying Russian military technology.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.

In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.




What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).
“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.


But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.

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Some info about Derby ..


Derby (Alto) is a beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile (AAM) developed by Israeli defence company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to meet the combat needs of the armed forces.

The Derby AAM can be integrated onto a variety of fighter aircraft such as F-5, F-16 Fighting Falcon, Gripen E and Mirage and is capable of engaging aerial threats from short ranges and near-beyond visual range.

Derby can be configured as a surface-to-air missile (SAM) for launch from a Spyder-SR / MR short and medium-range mobile air defence system, which also incorporates Python-5 dual waveband imaging infrared (IIR) missile.

In November 2019, the naval variant of the LCA Tejas fighter aircraft carried the Derby BVR missile during a successful launch from a shore-based test facility in Goa, India.

Derby BVR missile development details
Development of the Derby began in early-1980s, while the missile was introduced in mid-1990s. The missile entered service in 1998 and is operational with six countries.

Rafael Armament Development Authority received a $25m contract in February 2005 to supply 20 Derby BVR missiles and six practice missiles for integration onto the Indian Navy’s Sea Harrier aircraft.

Derby missile variants
Derby’s variants include I-Derby and I-Derby ER (Extended Range). The upgraded I-Derby AAR missile is equipped with a software-defined active radar seeker and was unveiled at the Aero India 2015 exhibition held in Bengaluru, India.

The I-Derby ER advanced active radar missile was unveiled at the Paris Air Show 2015. It features a solid-state active radar seeker and a dual pulse rocket motor, which provides an operational range of up to 100km.

The missile can be launched from Sea Harrier jet fighter, F-16 (Block 52) Fighting Falcon, F-5E Tiger II, and IAI Kfir combat aircraft. It was exhibited during the Seoul International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition (ADEX) held Seoul, South Korea, in October 2015.

The I-Derby ER has been selected by India to equip the LCA Tejas light combat supersonic fighter.

The Indian Air Force is also considering equipping its Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets with I-Derby ER missiles.

Test-firing from LCA Tejas
The missile was successfully test-fired for the first time from LCA Tejas aircraft in May 2017 as part of integration and demonstration tests. The launch was followed by another test-firing in April 2018 to expand the firing envelope. The successful tests were instrumental in the fighter achieving the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) in February 2019.

Derby air-to-air missile design and features
The Derby BVR missile, featuring lightweight design, is equipped with four main wings and four conventional planar fins in the tail assembly. It is designed to offer increased operational flexibility and multi-shot capability.

“Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km.”
The weapon has a length of 362cm, a wing span of 64cm and a diameter of 16cm. It weighs 118kg and is armed with a 23kg warhead. The seeker and guidance system are fitted in the front of the missile, while the rocket motor is placed at the rear.

The missile can operate in lock-on before launch (LOBL) and lock-on after launch (LOAL) modes. In LOAL mode of operation, it receives target information after being deployed from its launch platform, while in LOBL mode, which is enabled in tight dogfights, the seeker is locked onto the target before the missile is launched.

Guidance and warhead
The active radar seeker provides guidance and improved target accuracy at radio frequency (RF). The radar’s look-down / shoot-down capability enables the missile to attack targets below and along the line of the horizon.

Derby’s high-explosive fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead defeats non-armoured targets and light material targets.

The weapon features fire-and-forget engagement capability and can be optionally fitted with advanced, programmable electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM) for operation in hostile environments.

Performance of the Derby missile for enemy target launch
Powered by a rocket motor, the Derby missile has a speed of Mach 4 and can hit targets at a range of up to 50km. It can be launched at an enemy target under all weather conditions, both during day and at night.
Foreign Lobbly article

India Just place Orders of 1000+ R-7, R-77 And R-27 Worth 700 million $ To Stockpile up

"There have been reports of the Indian Air Force looking to bolster its fleet of air-to-air missiles following the aerial skirmish with Pakistan on February 27. In June, The Print reported India had ordered “close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles...the R-77”. The value of the deal was approximately $700 million. The R-73 is an infra-red seeker missile."

Russia confirms deals to supply 1,000 air-launched missiles to India

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/07/30/russia-confirms-deals-to-supply-air-launched-missiles-to-india.html
 
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Foreign Lobbly article

India Just place Orders of 1000+ R-7, R-77 And R-27 Worth 700 million $ To Stockpile up

There have been reports of the Indian Air Force looking to bolster its fleet of air-to-air missiles following the aerial skirmish with Pakistan on February 27. In June, The Print reported India had ordered “close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles...the R-77”. The value of the deal was approximately $700 million. The R-73 is an infra-red seeker missile.

Russia confirms deals to supply 1,000 air-launched missiles to India

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/07/30/russia-confirms-deals-to-supply-air-launched-missiles-to-india.html
Da..russia said a big no to any modification to su30 aranament
 
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Foreign Lobbly article

India Just place Orders of 1000+ R-7, R-77 And R-27 Worth 700 million $ To Stockpile up

There have been reports of the Indian Air Force looking to bolster its fleet of air-to-air missiles following the aerial skirmish with Pakistan on February 27. In June, The Print reported India had ordered “close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles...the R-77”. The value of the deal was approximately $700 million. The R-73 is an infra-red seeker missile.

Russia confirms deals to supply 1,000 air-launched missiles to India

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/07/30/russia-confirms-deals-to-supply-air-launched-missiles-to-india.html
India is involving Israel for Derby upgrade, because Israel is the only country allow by Russian for any foreign avionic upgrade or replace.
 
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Da..russia said a big no to any modification to su30 aranament
Derby IR Future Consideration

Big No MKI's are Armed With G4 Lightning Pods
And Elta 2060P SAR PoDs

Which Needs More Source Coding With mission computer

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JF-17 BLK1/2/3 doesn't have any impact on strategic or tactical balance of Air Force superiority India enjoys.

Indian Air Force is retiring a Mig-21 and inducting either a Su-30MKI or Tejas Mk1 or a Rafale in replacement... every single of these fighters are multitude more capable than a Mig-21 so even if there is no one on one replacements still this makes IAF much more capable.
India can source weapon systems from both West and Russia also Indian military industries are becoming more and more capable with passing time.

Against PL-15

India is/will deploy following options with similar or greater capabilities:

Meteor
R-27
Astra Mk2
Astra SFDR

All these missile are around 150 or more in range.

Include Air Defense systems like

Barak-8
S-400

I don't think PL-15 deployed on a light fighter gives Paf any advantage over India even after that Paf is still dependent of few dozens of F-16 BLK50/52s for putting any kind of challenge..
PL 15 whether deployed on a heavy fighter or light fighter is equally capable of blasting every aircraft in Indian inventory and it has a range greater than all the missiles you mentioned in your list. Thick headed Indians dont understand unless it is proven on the battle field by hammering their a$$

You need to understand that Chinese were having all infrastructure to develop jf17 fighter because they were having years of experience and was working on more advanced fighters (j 10) etc..

Wherein, India was not having any experience to make 4th generation fighter planes. So, it took more time to developed HAL Tejas and now since it is already inducted.

It is easy to develop new and upgraded aircraft's within a few years because now we already have infrastructure and experience.

HAL Tejas Mk1a will be available before 2025 and Hal Tejas Mark 2 before 2027.

Same goes to Astra missiles, after years of hard working. It is inducted now and only need to increase the range and it will be done before 2025
You also had years of experience when u developed Gnat in 1965, but as usual you are still eating China;s dust.
 
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