Pakistan's P-3C vs. India's P-8I :: India, Pakistan and the Naval Balance

[skynet]

Has your impoverished and toilet-less nation been able to replace the soviet era Tu142s? Heck you even paid 2 billion dollars for Soviet scrap called INS Vikramaditya. Now let's not even mention the Mig 21s, made world famous as flying coffins, exclusively by the Indian Air Force, which are still in operation. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of soviet junk in your inventory past 2020 even.

Like i said, if you as a nation have any character or guts, come and fight us. Until then, just shut up.

Then why are you buying your so called carrier killer for this soviet junk

 

[Donatello]

Then why are you buying your so called carrier killer for this soviet junk

Target Practice.

 

[skynet]

Target Practice.

Or you're afraid of another naval blockade

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We have enough ammunition to create a safari park of Aircraft carrier in Indus Oceans would make great addition to Marine life santuary no doubt

P8 While its nice and dandy however P3C is enough for us to Air Craft carriers and Other Ships

Its enough for our needs @ Present

We have the Anti Aircraft Carrier Missile - and that is the Game changer

P8 is no contest even our F7 can knock it out or heck even a armed K-8

Sure P8 has a slightly improved radar , so what we get the information we need from P3 Orions and that works for us

 

[FNFAL]

Pakistan needs defense items for minimal deterrence. We have no threats from the western side or north. So it is geared to offer India a fight. P3Cs are more than enough for that role. Same thing with F-16s and JF-17s. We need capability that we can damage India enough that they think twice before any stupid move. 2001 and 2008 are a proof of that. Despite India having numerical superiority which it always had, no war or active confrontation took place. Now imagine if the same scenario was India vs China, India vs Bangladesh or India vs Srilanka

Couldnt be farther removed from reality.BY closing your eyes the problem will not vanish.Fact remains the P3 is an old platform on its last legs, that will be stretched to continue well into the future in absence of procurement of other advanced options. Your P3c are at best comparable with our upgraded IL38s with the Sea dragon package.You do not and will have anything in the coming decade to counter the P8I .And what air cover is there for the orions? half a century old Mirage iii/vs? JF-17??With that limited operating radius, we will draw you out to deep sea and voila! Turkey shoot for for our mig29ks. In less than a decade, our naval wing alone(mig29k+naval rafales) will overwhelm your air force. Deal with that.
Coming to your handful of F16s, those will have to contest first with its closets nemesis- the mirage 2000s. And just for fun, we will throw in some mig29smts.And we still have our flankers and rafales, And yes the lcas. Leaving out the FGFAs for now
If paf is so detrimental for us, that myth was blwon to smithereens in 99.It could have protected its men from being pounded by bombs on kargil heights, instead it was a no show- not because of cowardice. SImply because even thinking to fight against a superior force is a bad idea to begin with.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just becasue a country has a variant of plane that is slightly advance with slight improvement of technology does not means that the version before it was completely useless

P3Orion is used by major Navies of world and its sufficient for Tracking Submarines and its intended use is enough for Pakistan

Sure the P8 might be , a bigger plane , more recent technology but the items we have are still enough to take out Navy Submarines , not to mention the arrival of Anti Sub Helicopters from China we have

Lets not forget we are getting 4 more Anti Submarine Frigates OHP class from 2015-2016

We have Tripple Punch vs Enemy

a) OHP frigate 1 , and 3 arriving
b) Anti Submarine Helicopters
c) P3Orions 11-13+

 

[Bang Galore]

Couldnt be farther removed from reality.BY closing your eyes the problem will not vanish.Fact remains the P3 is an old platform on its last legs, that will be stretched to continue well into the future in absence of procurement of other advanced options. Your P3c are at best comparable with our upgraded IL38s with the Sea dragon package.You do not and will have anything in the coming decade to counter the P8I .And what air cover is there for the orions? half a century old Mirage iii/vs? JF-17??With that limited operating radius, we will draw you out to deep sea and voila! Turkey shoot for for our mig29ks. In less than a decade, our naval wing alone(mig29k+naval rafales) will overwhelm your air force. Deal with that.
Coming to your handful of F16s, those will have to contest first with its closets nemesis- the mirage 2000s. And just for fun, we will throw in some mig29smts.And we still have our flankers and rafales, And yes the lcas. Leaving out the FGFAs for now
If paf is so detrimental for us, that myth was blwon to smithereens in 99.It could have protected its men from being pounded by bombs on kargil heights, instead it was a no show- not because of cowardice. SImply because even thinking to fight against a superior force is a bad idea to begin with.

I see you were given a negative rating for your post. I have seen some pretty absurd negative ratings being given but this one clearly takes the cake. Absolutely bereft of even the semblance of logic.

 

[nomi007]

Only a fool will compare p3c to p8i .

you are saying indian defence analysts are fool
thanks for a information i share this thread of a indian website

 

[chhota bheem]

Couldnt be farther removed from reality.BY closing your eyes the problem will not vanish.Fact remains the P3 is an old platform on its last legs, that will be stretched to continue well into the future in absence of procurement of other advanced options. Your P3c are at best comparable with our upgraded IL38s with the Sea dragon package.You do not and will have anything in the coming decade to counter the P8I .And what air cover is there for the orions? half a century old Mirage iii/vs? JF-17??With that limited operating radius, we will draw you out to deep sea and voila! Turkey shoot for for our mig29ks. In less than a decade, our naval wing alone(mig29k+naval rafales) will overwhelm your air force. Deal with that.
Coming to your handful of F16s, those will have to contest first with its closets nemesis- the mirage 2000s. And just for fun, we will throw in some mig29smts.And we still have our flankers and rafales, And yes the lcas. Leaving out the FGFAs for now
If paf is so detrimental for us, that myth was blwon to smithereens in 99.It could have protected its men from being pounded by bombs on kargil heights, instead it was a no show- not because of cowardice. SImply because even thinking to fight against a superior force is a bad idea to begin with.

@WebMaster @chuc banu @top gun this is what will happen when people while limited knowledge are given power to give negative rating,i am sure this guy cant even counter a single point in this post.

 

[kaykay]

P-8Is are way better than P-3 Orion's. Orions are more comparable to our upgraded IL-38s

 

[Skull and Bones]

P-8Is are way better than P-3 Orion's. Orions are more comparable to our upgraded IL-38s

Not true, or maybe i am being naive. The main advantage of P-8s are it's range. Talking from Pakistani perspective, they have smaller coastline to defend, and P-3 Orions can be upgraded with more or less similar sensor suites like P-8s.

 

[rockstarIN]

How the air forces try to search and hit those navy planes? will they work under escorts?

Like one or two AWACS in those area and the air force/navy fighters can detect these bigger planes and vector these jets to intercept?

 

[kaykay]

Not true, or maybe i am being naive. The main advantage of P-8s are it's range. Talking from Pakistani perspective, they have smaller coastline to defend, and P-3 Orions can be upgraded with more or less similar sensor suites like P-8s.

AFAIK P-8s onboard avionics and equipments are way more advance than that of P-3 Orion's.

 

[Skull and Bones]

AFAIK P-8s onboard avionics and equipments are way more advance than that of P-3 Orion's.

We can only say that, as US choose P-8s as the future platform for ASW roles. So the first batch of P-8 is comparable to last batch of P-3s, hence forth, P-8s will be gradually upgraded, while P-3s will be decommissioned.

 

[Sam Manekshaw]

Kargil? India deterred? Pakistan went all the way in India, killed hundreds,

Aur aap kehate ho hame India se khatara hai

1971 ( 100 sonar ki toh 1 lohar ki )