Bilsher007
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A powerful discussion which I regret joining late.
Nat'l security requires that force mixes and missions be continuously evaluated. Any officer truly commited to his/her nation will recognize that priorities shift and must hope for an agile military/civil leadership to meet changing needs.
There are a lot of issues being discussed here from subordination of the armed forces to civil authority to nat'l defense priorities to the relative quanitative and qualitative balance necessary to meet those needs and, I suppose, whether that can be resourced.
Modern armies are becoming smaller. Management efficiencies, technological achievements with weapons and munitions, and development, procurement, and human resource costs drive that. The human investment is extraordinary in a western culture with a competing civil market to attract talent. The outlays to his grave for an eighteen year old who makes a career of the armed forces and retires a 1st Sergeant (E-8) at 38 are staggering in our army and they aren't unusual.
Pakistan faces security issues like nothing faced by America. Your eastern borders face a hostile army of immense size and technical capability. They're quite good and increasingly are becoming even more so. No doubt that the Indian Army will face a slowdown in it's growth. I suspect everybody will with a global recession. Still, their forces are large and funded from a massively larger pool of capital.
Given available resources, Pakistan must weigh priorities and then weigh proper force mixes based on any re-orientation of objectives.
You must have a conventional deterrance yet can't likely match the Indians bullet for bullet-man for man. You must also have an army capable of conducting a counter-insurgency campaign with a decided kinetic edge over it's western adversaries and yet the sophistication and nuance to effectively relate to your western citizens and assist/promote social change.
As much as a change in role to a subordinate status under civilian authority, you must trust the constitutional processes for change (to include elections) and trust your citizens to exercise good judgement for your elected leaders. Where you can't trust the man, you must trust the ability for the government to change that man by election.
You must also trust the public's judgement when they refuse to do so to your satisfaction by electoral mechanisms.
All of this requires an officer corp prepared to divest itself from it's traditional sources of power and largesse. I don't know if it's possible but I'm heartened by the institutional controls that the PRC is slowly imposing upon the PLA and hope that something similar can come to past with Pakistan.
As with too much else, all this takes time. Certainly the electoral process does. It is, btw, only through the repeated exercise of these processes that they become embedded tenets of civic behavior.
Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your views) the alternatives only offer more of the same. The system as constituted and previously practiced is proven dysfunctional. There's nothing behind you better than the future might offer through change and little choice but to do so wholeheartedly.
Mr yanky i know you or any non muslim like indians and israelis or british will not agree with me cause you fail to understand our islamic concepts time and again but i will state anyway just to remind you enemies of islam.
It is imperative for muslim army to possess water tight unity regardless of regional/ provincial backgrounds, to have good level of spirituality/ religiousity and thirdly to deploy military deploments to best of their abilities. What follows next is help from ALLAH in form of spiritual forces (Angels), islamic history is flooded with examples of all the above factors being in existence before ALLAH granted his help in sending spiritual forces in several battles with pagans,jews and romans. The battle of badr fought by beloved Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him) against pagans of makkah was won with help from ALLAH in sending spiritual forces. Prophet Muhammed (P.b.u.h) had with him 313 strong believers who fought enemy force of about 1000 thus a difference by 1-3 ratio. Numerous other battles fought in days of prophet Muhammed(p.b.u.h) were won in similar way whilst being utnumbered by a big ratios. Battle fought by one of the best ever chief general commander khalid bin waleed (R.A) against the romans at yarmouk is another such example. He planned to take 30 men with him but his advisers told him to take 60 instead against 60,000 romans ! ( I know even muslims will doubt this fact but please check history archives you will all know the truth) . The result was romans were defeated and humiliated. 1965 war between india and pakistan is another such example where a small force defeated a much larger and better equipped indian army, air force and naval force. All the examples mentioned above are of spiritual forces intervening when factors like unity, reasonable religiousity and best possible deployment of military deployments were all present.
It does'nt matter how well equipped indians, americans and israelis are provided a muslim army, Air force and naval force of be it pakistan, iran, turkey, Afghanis fullfil the above factors then ALLAH will send his mysterious help with the spiritual forces which acts as force multiplier.
Don't worry we are aware of israeli and american grand geo strategic plans whilst using indians in our region against us. We know you americans, indians and israelis want to neutralize our nuclear arsenal and weaken the final muslim nation which threatens existence of israel . We will in the coming historic time diminish you plans to dust, defeat and humiliate all you enemies of islam . You may chose to laugh but believe me i am speaking based on evidences on coming times. These evidences are hadith " Ghazwa hind" and other numerous hadiths which indicate the destruction and humiliations of all infidels and enemies of islam. Interestingly mahtma gandhi india's founding father predicted four wars with pakistan, ( 3 have been fought 1948, 1965 and 1971) he said the fourth war which is to come will be decisive. Also interestingly nostradamus mentioned that a army with three lions logo will be defeated badly, indian army ..anyone ? . Even if you ignore gandhi and nostradamus's predictions the prophecy of ghazwa hind which mentions india being conquered by a muslim army who will then go towards middle east ( To finish Israel) and meet up with prophet Issa(Jesus)(Peace be upon him) can't be taken LIGHTLY !.
American grand geo strategic plans;
1. National Security of Israel
2. Destruction of politcal Islam
3. Securing of Fuel Assets
4. Securing of Water trading routes
5. Encirclement of China
6. Encirclement of Russia
Israel Grand plans;
1. Greater Israel
Indian Grand plan;
1. Expansionist policy
All these above plans will be turned to dust INSHALLAH...ALLAH's plan stand taller than your nefarious designs.
PAkistan is going to plan major role alongwith other muslim mujahideens to restore islamic caliphate towards end of times. Your plans to remove pakistan from world map is going to fail cause USA is collapsing everyday financially, economically, politically, socially and welfare wise.
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