Pakistan's new nuke threat: Why India has to worry

[cerberus]

It is used to stop the advance of the Indian troops in the battlefield

India effectively counter it with adding Prahaar equipped arty regiments

Due its long range and bigger payload Prahaar tactical system
Tackle any threat against advancing Indian forces

 

[war&peace]

Nasr is just a small nuclear weapon with limited range, and Pakistan thinks it is invincible because of their laughable assumption that India won't retaliate with its big nuclear weapons against a nuclear attack by Pakistan with Nasr, as Nasr is a small nuclear weapon.

This happens when a country's irresponsible military planners collectively lose their minds.

Isn't a great move by Pak that Indian army is incinerated at the border while the Indian cities are removed from the slate of life at the same time...a total full spectrum deterrence.

 

[cerberus]

Isn't a great move by Pak that Indian army is incinerated at the border while the Indian cities are removed from the slate of life at the same time...a total full spectrum deterrence.

It depends it will happen inside Indian borders or Pakistan.

 

[dray]

On the contrary Nasr is the perfect size to smoke a mass of indian soldiers on the border

The rest of our arsenal that covers all of india is to keep you in check

Do you really think we only have nasr look at shaheen 3 which can target any place in India

Isn't a great move by Pak that Indian army is incinerated at the border while the Indian cities are removed from the slate of life at the same time...a total full spectrum deterrence.

First, there are some credible analysis on Nasr in this forum, Indian soldiers won't parade inside Pakistan in a nice square formation, they will be spread across a large area, the number of Nasr that will be required to destroy just one tank battalion will leave the most habitable, densely populated, and fertile lands of Pakistan on its eastern border useless for hundreds of years.

Second, because of the sheer differences in size and shape of India & Pakistan, Pakistan will be completely destroyed before it manages to destroy enough of ours to make our country nonviable. Due to that long narrow shape of Pakistan, all parts of it is within the range of our smaller missiles and radar system.

However, good luck for a nuclear war if that is what you are looking for.

 

[war&peace]

It depends it will happen inside Indian borders or Pakistan.

Yes but that kid was saying that even if Pakistan uses on its own land in case of an Indian incursion, will provoke a strategic nuclear strike by India. And my reply is that how difficult is for Pakistan to change its doctrine as it has not ruled off first strike yet. And if Indian establishment thinks that any use TNWs against Indian army by Pakistan regardless of the formers' location relative to the border, warrants a strategic nuclear strike by Inda, then I say what is stopping Pakistan to change its nuclear doctrine rather it is not even a doctrine level change since Pakistan never let first strike option forego.

First, there are some credible analysis on Nasr in this forum, Indian soldiers won't parade inside Pakistan in a nice square formation, they will be spread across a large area, the number of Nasr that will be required to destroy just one tank battalion will leave the most habitable, densely populated, and fertile lands of Pakistan on its eastern border useless for hundreds of years.

Second, because of the sheer differences in size and shape of India & Pakistan, Pakistan will be completely destroyed before it manages to destroy enough of ours to make our country nonviable. Due to that long narrow shape of Pakistan, all parts of it is within the range of our smaller missiles and radar system.

However, good luck for a nuclear war if that is what you are looking for.

Then perhaps you indians do not have understanding of NASR and its warhead. I suggest you to do your research and find out how NASR works. I don't feel the need to respond until then.

 

[Windjammer]

Nasr is just a small nuclear weapon with limited range, and Pakistan thinks it is invincible because of their laughable assumption that India won't retaliate with its big nuclear weapons against a nuclear attack by Pakistan with Nasr, as Nasr is a small nuclear weapon.

This happens when a country's irresponsible military planners collectively lose their minds.

India doesn't try it's luck by misadventure, we wouldn't need to use the NASR...as for India's retaliation, then be prepared for ultimate annihilation... Pakistan wouldn't be exactly saving it's nuclear assets for another day.,,,, no one will remain to ever start another misadventure.

 

[hussain0216]

First, there are some credible analysis on Nasr in this forum, Indian soldiers won't parade inside Pakistan in a nice square formation, they will be spread across a large area, the number of Nasr that will be required to destroy just one tank battalion will leave the most habitable, densely populated, and fertile lands of Pakistan on its eastern border useless for hundreds of years.

Second, because of the sheer differences in size and shape of India & Pakistan, Pakistan will be completely destroyed before it manages to destroy enough of ours to make our country nonviable. Due to that long narrow shape of Pakistan, all parts of it is within the range of our smaller missiles and radar system.

However, good luck for a nuclear war if that is what you are looking for.

All taken into account we have an enormous amount of firepower and weapons built up to decimate indian soldiers,

Nasr will be used where we can get a big hit on indian troops

Personally I never believed Nasr will be used on Pakistani soil, it will be used on the border, on the indian side,
Nasr 2 which is currently being developed I believe will have far more range

Dont you worry, you leave destroying all of india and leaving nothing but Ash to us

 

[dray]

Yes but that kid was saying that even if Pakistan uses on its own land in case of an Indian incursion, will provoke a strategic nuclear strike by India. And my reply is that how difficult is for Pakistan to change its doctrine as it has not ruled off first strike yet. And if Indian establishment thinks that any use TNWs against Indian army by Pakistan regardless of the formers' location relative to the border, warrants a strategic nuclear strike by Inda, then I say what is stopping Pakistan to change its nuclear doctrine rather it is not even a doctrine level change since Pakistan never let first strike option forego.

Attacking Indian army with any small or big nuclear weapon anywhere in the world including inside Pakistan qualifies as nuclear attack on India, and calls for retaliation with nuclear weapons as per our nuclear doctrine, your Nasr will be considered as first strike even inside your soil, if it is used against us. That's why we are not deploying small Nasr like tactical nuclear weapons, we are keeping the nuclear threshold high and deadly from our end. Just read the doctrine kid, it's not open to interpretation and assumption.

All taken into account we have an enormous amount of firepower and weapons built up to decimate indian soldiers,

Nasr will be used where we can get a big hit on indian troops

Personally I never believed Nasr will be used on Pakistani soil, it will be used on the border, on the indian side,
Nasr 2 which is currently being developed I believe will have far more range

Dont you worry, you leave destroying all of india and leaving nothing but Ash to us

Good luck.

 

[bloo]

Nasr has been developed on the assumption that the Pak army won't be able to withstand a conventional war with India.
Either way, we may or may not be able to protect ourselves in a nuclear exchange but Pakistan definitely won't be able to survive a nuclear exchange.

 

[Viny]

Nuclear power production can help but doesn't directly translate to weapons production. It all depends on reactor design, processing and intended purpose. Pakistan power generation is separate. Expansion of Pakistan's nuclear complex is for sole purpose of weapon production. Not for "thorium" research, power generation or any other purpose. It's not Mr. Krepon rather world nuclear experts have been calculating and quoting such numbers.

1. Growth in nuclear power production leads to expertise in providing nuclear solutions and industry at large is formed. This give you more opportunities and more resources to plan and perform more research and development which can directly translate to better technology for weapons production.

2. If you can buy uranium from market to power your civil nuclear power plants, then your national resources are saved and can be used for production of weapons.

3. India's entire nuclear plan is based on breeder system thus most of our plants leaves back more of fissile material compared to consumption. And with Thorium circle coming into picture this will grow multi-fold.

4. Being economically strong it gives india a lot more opportunity to accommodate all the resources it needs for generating fissile material based war heads. And since india is now capable of developing its own nuclear reactors it gives bigger space for development without coming into notice.

How about simply state your point. we are not here to write a research thesis on random responses.

Firstly it was not said to you, secondly if you are not interested in readings details than it doenst make sense to explain, because without background you will find hard to understand.

 

[Hamza913]

We Don't need Any 5000 KM as we are Covering Every Inch of India by Shaheen 3 Missile range 2750 KM...

India Made 5000 KM Range Because of China to counter them

Allegedly, Shaheen 3 is 5000km. Or at least, according to Washington.

Nasr is just a small nuclear weapon with limited range, and Pakistan thinks it is invincible because of their laughable assumption that India won't retaliate with its big nuclear weapons against a nuclear attack by Pakistan with Nasr, as Nasr is a small nuclear weapon.

This happens when a country's irresponsible military planners collectively lose their minds.

It's small size is what makes ot so deadly. We can destroy advancing columns with ease, and if India responds with full nuclear force, they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

This is what happens when Indian generals try to marginalise us, we will never, EVER let India have a chance at destroying us, your bloodthirsty mongrels in the military and government can invade someone else.

 

[Mav3rick]

you Can Make MIRV with less the 3000 KM ? NO??

Technically it could be possible.

However, I do not consider the US a 'friend' and would rather be prepared to defend against any and all aggression.

 

[mikkix]

Attacking Indian army with any small or big nuclear weapon anywhere in the world including inside Pakistan qualifies as nuclear attack on India, and calls for retaliation with nuclear weapons as per our nuclear doctrine, your Nasr will be considered as first strike even inside your soil, if it is used against us. That's why we are not deploying small Nasr like tactical nuclear weapons, we are keeping the nuclear threshold high and deadly from our end. Just read the doctrine kid, it's not open to interpretation and assumption.



Good luck.

Ok, so you think can enter Pakistan territory and we will just sit and watch?
Kiddo that will be a regional war that includes China Japan Iran North Korea, and america will participate via sea will also involves russian to enter. Another indo pak war will be a big regional hit. Go ask your generals why they are sitting like ducks.

Pakistan needs to nuclearize the land of indonesia or malaysia or I would ratherly say need land of malaysia Indonesia srilanka oman yemen or Nepal to make sure Indian history will be told like bed time stories/myths of mahabharat or ramayan and no Indian will see another day except of NRI's.

 

[Genghis khan1]

1. Growth in nuclear power production leads to expertise in providing nuclear solutions and industry at large is formed. This give you more opportunities and more resources to plan and perform more research and development which can directly translate to better technology for weapons production.

2. If you can buy uranium from market to power your civil nuclear power plants, then your national resources are saved and can be used for production of weapons.

3. India's entire nuclear plan is based on breeder system thus most of our plants leaves back more of fissile material compared to consumption. And with Thorium circle coming into picture this will grow multi-fold.

4. Being economically strong it gives india a lot more opportunity to accommodate all the resources it needs for generating fissile material based war heads. And since india is now capable of developing its own nuclear reactors it gives bigger space for development without coming into notice.

So basically your four point are:
1 Research
2. Resource
3. Research "Thorium" based power generation.
4. Economy.
All are irrelevant to the immediate topic in discussion. Article is about rapid expansion and tactical nukes. which obviously mean Pakistan has the research, resource and economy for it. Thorium is expensive than Uranium, Indian has some reserve for it, they want to pursue thorium route for power generation, that's their domestic decision. Long story short Pakistan is expanding with such confidence that they are not worry about resource and economy, and will have enough Nukes to cover whole India many times over.

Firstly it was not said to you, secondly if you are not interested in readings details than it doenst make sense to explain, because without background you will find hard to understand.

Yap, but you are throwing open ended responses acting all genius, matter of fact is if you really knew what you are

talking about you could have highlighted your point in few lines.

Nasr has been developed on the assumption that the Pak army won't be able to withstand a conventional war with India.
Either way, we may or may not be able to protect ourselves in a nuclear exchange but Pakistan definitely won't be able to survive a nuclear exchange.

That's is exactly why Pakistan is expanding so rapidly. Just to make sure no part of Indian left uncover incase india decided to start a full fledged nuclear exchange in response to tactical.

 

[dray]

It's small size is what makes ot so deadly. We can destroy advancing columns with ease, and if India responds with full nuclear force, they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

This is what happens when Indian generals try to marginalise us, we will never, EVER let India have a chance at destroying us, your bloodthirsty mongrels in the military and government can invade someone else.

That's the policy, we will do everything to neutralize any further nuclear attack by Pakistan the moment it makes it a nuclear war. not doing so will be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ok, so you think can enter Pakistan territory and we will just sit and watch?
Kiddo that will be a regional war that includes China Japan Iran North Korea, and america will participate via sea will also involves russian to enter. Another indo pak war will be a big regional hit. Go ask your generals why they are sitting like ducks.

Pakistan needs to nuclearize the land of indonesia or malaysia or I would ratherly say need land of malaysia Indonesia srilanka oman yemen or Nepal to make sure Indian history will be told like bed time stories/myths of mahabharat or ramayan and no Indian will see another day except of NRI's.

Don't give me these childish internet terms like 'kiddo', toddlers in diapers with desire to grow up fast use these terms. Unlike Pakistan, we have far more important things to do than to go to war, I am discussing just Nasr here as per the thread topic. Your best chance of survival is to keep a war, if any, conventional. It is delusional to think that you can go nuclear against another country with nuclear weapons and will be spared the consequences.

I am tired of this mindless hyperbole, no need to reply with more hyperbole.