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Pakistan’s Monster - The New Yorker


The Pakistani students killed and wounded in the Bacha Khan University attack were victims of the Pakistani military’s long collaboration with the Taliban.CREDITPHOTOGRAPH COURTESY A. MAJEED / AFP / GETTY.
In Mary Shelley’s “Frankenstein,” the eponymous scientist, saddened by the death of his mother, sets out to create a human replicant in his laboratory. But instead of a human, a giant grotesque emerges, with yellow eyes, over-stretched skin, and a volatile disposition. Victor Frankenstein refers to it as “the Monster” and “the Creature.’’ His creation runs wild, killing Victor’s bride and his best friend, driving its creator to torment and sadness.

The tale of Frankenstein is the proper lens through which to view the attack by Taliban gunmen this week on a school in Pakistan. The assault, at Bacha Khan University in the city of Charsadda, killed at least twenty-two people and wounded at least nineteen. In this case, Victor Frankenstein, the scientist, resembles the generals of the Pakistani military, whose Creature is the out-of-control Pakistani Taliban.

The attack in Charsadda could have been worse: guards at the university killed a man before he could detonate an explosive vest that he’d wrapped around his body. Last year, there was an even more horrific assault on a school in the nearby city of Peshawar, where Taliban gunmen killed a hundred and forty-five people, most of them children.

In both cases, Pakistan’s leaders vowed to crush the Taliban. And the Pakistani military has launched a series of offensives in the desolate reaches of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, where the group has its headquarters. We can only hope that the Pakistani military succeeds. But this is where our sympathy should end—and where the tale of Pakistan’s Frankenstein begins.

The Afghan Taliban came together with the assistance of the Pakistan military, which helped organize the group in the mid-nineties, during the long and horrible civil war that followed the withdrawal of the Soviet Union from Afghanistan. By 1995, with tens of thousands dead, Afghanistan had devolved into a state where rapacious warlords and their gangs fought each other over the spoils of conflict, which often included the country’s young women and boys. There was no functioning government.

Pakistan’s military-intelligence service, known by its acronym, the I.S.I., feared that the chaos would spread across the border. So, spotting a group of fierce fighters driven by a medieval vision of Islam, the I.S.I. poured its support behind them. The Taliban, led by a one-eyed cleric called Mullah Omar, swept across the country and captured the capital, in 1996. (The story has been told in many places, including in “The Wrong Enemy,” from 2014, by the Timesreporter Carlotta Gall.) Omar gave sanctuary to another religiously inspired madman, Osama bin Laden, and they stayed in Afghanistan until they were chased away by American forces, in 2001.

Following the American invasion, the Taliban’s leadership (Omar included) fled to Pakistan, where it was received with open arms by the I.S.I. Over the next several years, as the Americans neglected their Afghan project, the Taliban grew stronger in their safe havens. All the while, the U.S. government lavished billions on the Pakistani government and military, even as they betrayed their benefactors. In Afghanistan today, the Taliban are as strong as they have been at any point since 2001.

While the Afghan Taliban flourished in its Pakistani sanctuaries, an unintended consequence developed: the ideology of the Taliban took root in Pakistan itself. Before long, the Pakistani Taliban was born, and it was as radical—and in some cases even more radical—than its Afghan progenitor. While the relationship between the various groups of the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban is complex, there is no question that the Pakistani movement is a spin-off of the Afghan one.

For years—indeed, even today—the Pakistani generals imagined they could have it both ways: that they could support the Afghan Taliban while ignoring the Taliban inside Pakistan. The Pakistani military often aided the C.I.A.’s drone campaign in Pakistan, but, while the Americans wanted to go after both groups of Taliban, the Pakistanis typically only helped them with the Pakistani cells. The Pakistani generals were playing a double game inside a double game: they took the Americans’ billions and supported the Taliban fighters who were killing the Americans, and they secretly helped the Americans kill Pakistani Taliban in the C.I.A.’S drone war, letting the Pakistani civilian leaders take the heat.

Not surprisingly, the double-double game was too clever by half. As the Afghan Taliban flourished, the Pakistani Taliban, occupying the same safe havens in the tribal areas, spun out of Pakistan’s control. By 2009, the Pakistani Taliban was so strong that they pulled within sight of Islamabad, the capital.

Since then, the Pakistani military has mounted a number of military operations against the Pakistani Taliban and has done some real damage. Last summer, the Pakistani Army launched a major military operation against Taliban bases in Northern Waziristan, and claims to have cleared nearly two-thirds of the area. Indeed, the attacks at the schools in Charsadda and Peshawar are the Taliban’s crazed and desperate response.

We can only hope that the success of the Pakistani military in its fight against the Taliban continues. That fight is a long time coming.

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How accurate is the above analysis? I hope we can keep the India bashing and RAW conspiracies aside.
 
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How accurate is the above analysis? I hope we can keep the India bashing and RAW conspiracies aside.
by the way, the article is retarded. to make its point and strengthen its conclusion. the author makes the omission of the following

Saudi and American full involvement in the making of Taliban
and the fact that it was done during Secular democratic government of pro West Benazir Bhutto

shamefully omitting that... the entire blame is put on ISI.
this is what you call a popular view, that gets you approval. its called toeing the line.


in very simplistic brief
the troubles of Islamic terrorism in Pakistan are due to Saudi/ Iran proxy wars. its NOT because of Quetta Shura or JeM or LeT... as copy pasted by convenient foreign writers who check what Indians are saying and fix up their report for their channels as a reason for any new attacks inside Pakistan.

the Shia Islamic revolution of Iran and the Soviet invasion coincided in almost the same years and Saudis used the Afghan Jihad to counter the Iranian ambitious plan of exporting their revolution, Pakistan became the hist of two conflicting ideologies. the religious intolerance and violence was always there but not so profound in Pakistan....what you see as TTP, Taliban or Daesh now were originally anti Shia outfits who restricted their hate and deadly violence towards shia community only.
the Afghan jihad and then the 911 gave them the room to expand themselves further. while they dutifully filled the ranks of Afghan Jihadis on the sideline they never forgot their real mission which was anti shia and much fuelled and supported by Saudi funding.

as for RAW bashing, it may or may not be valid. any hostile agency worth its money will use a difficult position of its target country to its advantage . its a murky world where morality and decency dont count. if Saudis or Iranians wont hesitate in their own covert operations inside Pakistan then no one else will (to put it mildly).

now... a repeated copy pasted and retarded comments made by some commentators is that Pakistan is facing these issues because it is only targeting TTP in the tribal areas..

how unfortunate isnt it? I mean the Americans should have invaded Iran or China because Al Qaeda and taliban antagonised them yea?

since Afghans dont feel compelled going after the TTP or BLA and were even caught hosting TTP leader Latifullah Mehsood by Americans ... its really strange that they expect Pakistan to prioritise their enemy over the Pakistani enemy they are currently hosting.

an underlying message in some foreign news postings (in BBC why these attacks are happening) is that the attacks are the response to Pakistan for not going after Indian specific organisations. so TTP might get the patronage of Indians as well as Saudis too. as far as Sectarian Arab regimes are concerned, ends justify means... as long as TTP and other similar ideological organisations are confronting Iran specifically and shias in general .. they are fine with the chaos in Pakistan. the happy time for TTP is that it sees potential supporters from other "unlikely" quarters as well that can use the situation to their advantage.
 
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Let's blame every thing on mistakes of ISI, Pak army and give clean chit to hostile agencies operating across the border. It's time to leave these Hollywood fantasies of Frankenstein and come to reality.
If you want success of Pakistan against Terrorism then allow us to strike the locations where such plans are made and where terrorist bosses hid under official security.....

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by the way, the article is retarded. to make its point and strengthen its conclusion. the author makes the omission of the following

Saudi and American full involvement in the making of Taliban
and the fact that it was done during Secular democratic government of pro West Benazir Bhutto

shamefully omitting that... the entire blame is put on ISI.
this is what you call a popular view, that gets you approval. its called toeing the line.


in very simplistic brief
the troubles of Islamic terrorism in Pakistan are due to Saudi/ Iran proxy wars. its NOT because of Quetta Shura or JeM or LeT... as copy pasted by convenient foreign writers who check what Indians are saying and fix up their report for their channels as a reason for any new attacks inside Pakistan.

the Shia Islamic revolution of Iran and the Soviet invasion coincided in almost the same years and Saudis used the Afghan Jihad to counter the Iranian ambitious plan of exporting their revolution, Pakistan became the hist of two conflicting ideologies. the religious intolerance and violence was always there but not so profound in Pakistan....what you see as TTP, Taliban or Daesh now were originally anti Shia outfits who restricted their hate and deadly violence towards shia community only.
the Afghan jihad and then the 911 gave them the room to expand themselves further. while they dutifully filled the ranks of Afghan Jihadis on the sideline they never forgot their real mission which was anti shia and much fuelled and supported by Saudi funding.

as for RAW bashing, it may or may not be valid. any hostile agency worth its money will use a difficult position of its target country to its advantage . its a murky world where morality and decency dont count. if Saudis or Iranians wont hesitate in their own covert operations inside Pakistan then no one else will (to put it mildly).

now... a repeated copy pasted and retarded comments made by some commentators is that Pakistan is facing these issues because it is only targeting TTP in the tribal areas..

how unfortunate isnt it? I mean the Americans should have invaded Iran or China because Al Qaeda and taliban antagonised them yea?

since Afghans dont feel compelled going after the TTP or BLA and were even caught hosting TTP leader Latifullah Mehsood by Americans ... its really strange that they expect Pakistan to prioritise their enemy over the Pakistani enemy they are currently hosting.

an underlying message in some foreign news postings (in BBC why these attacks are happening) is that the attacks are the response to Pakistan for not going after Indian specific organisations. so TTP might get the patronage of Indians as well as Saudis too. as far as Sectarian Arab regimes are concerned, ends justify means... as long as TTP and other similar ideological organisations are confronting Iran specifically and shias in general .. they are fine with the chaos in Pakistan. the happy time for TTP is that it sees potential supporters from other "unlikely" quarters as well that can use the situation to their advantage.
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You explained very well
 
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by the way, the article is retarded. to make its point and strengthen its conclusion. the author makes the omission of the following

Saudi and American full involvement in the making of Taliban
and the fact that it was done during Secular democratic government of pro West Benazir Bhutto

shamefully omitting that... the entire blame is put on ISI.
this is what you call a popular view, that gets you approval. its called toeing the line.


in very simplistic brief
the troubles of Islamic terrorism in Pakistan are due to Saudi/ Iran proxy wars. its NOT because of Quetta Shura or JeM or LeT... as copy pasted by convenient foreign writers who check what Indians are saying and fix up their report for their channels as a reason for any new attacks inside Pakistan.

the Shia Islamic revolution of Iran and the Soviet invasion coincided in almost the same years and Saudis used the Afghan Jihad to counter the Iranian ambitious plan of exporting their revolution, Pakistan became the hist of two conflicting ideologies. the religious intolerance and violence was always there but not so profound in Pakistan....what you see as TTP, Taliban or Daesh now were originally anti Shia outfits who restricted their hate and deadly violence towards shia community only.
the Afghan jihad and then the 911 gave them the room to expand themselves further. while they dutifully filled the ranks of Afghan Jihadis on the sideline they never forgot their real mission which was anti shia and much fuelled and supported by Saudi funding.

as for RAW bashing, it may or may not be valid. any hostile agency worth its money will use a difficult position of its target country to its advantage . its a murky world where morality and decency dont count. if Saudis or Iranians wont hesitate in their own covert operations inside Pakistan then no one else will (to put it mildly).

now... a repeated copy pasted and retarded comments made by some commentators is that Pakistan is facing these issues because it is only targeting TTP in the tribal areas..

how unfortunate isnt it? I mean the Americans should have invaded Iran or China because Al Qaeda and taliban antagonised them yea?

since Afghans dont feel compelled going after the TTP or BLA and were even caught hosting TTP leader Latifullah Mehsood by Americans ... its really strange that they expect Pakistan to prioritise their enemy over the Pakistani enemy they are currently hosting.

an underlying message in some foreign news postings (in BBC why these attacks are happening) is that the attacks are the response to Pakistan for not going after Indian specific organisations. so TTP might get the patronage of Indians as well as Saudis too. as far as Sectarian Arab regimes are concerned, ends justify means... as long as TTP and other similar ideological organisations are confronting Iran specifically and shias in general .. they are fine with the chaos in Pakistan. the happy time for TTP is that it sees potential supporters from other "unlikely" quarters as well that can use the situation to their advantage.

Thank you. I understand that the article is simplistic because as you rightly pointed out that the US had a major role to play in the events which transpired in Afganishtan during late 80s and the article didn't take that into account.

Also it is but logical for Indian agencies to exploit the fissures in Pakistan and if they don't then they simply are incompetent. However even in this era of hyper realistic geo-politics with little scope for morality there are boundaries and supporting murder of children is a travesty which I have to believe and I do believe India would never cross.

The article may have very well ignored the Indian, Iranian and Saudi influence but it is not entirely incorrect when it asserts that Pakistan in trying to be too clever by halves miscalculated the repercussions from letting Afghan Taliban run unchecked in their sovereign territory as long as it suited their needs and Saudis kept funnelling money into Pakistan's coffers.

We know that the Afghan Taliban were appropriated for the Kashmiri cause but as they say it is easy to make monsters but very difficult to leash them . US too had it's 9/11, India lost it's PM to LTTE and well Pakistan you know better than most what it has lost.

Important thing is not to keep making the same mistakes again and again and it's imperative that the terrorists like AT, assorted Kashmiri groups, TTP etc are never allowed to take roots on Pakistani soil just because they temporary serve the interests of Pakistan
 
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How accurate is the above analysis? I hope we can keep the India bashing and RAW conspiracies aside.
an ill versed and not well researched article - what do you expect us to say on this?? if i was an unbiased and neutral party to this then my honest opinion would have been that ISI was the Hand that fed the "Child" (Taliban) - the hands which taught this child to crawl and eventual walk --- but ISI was never the Mother or the Father to this child (KSA & USA) ----
The author with very good efforts elaborates on Religious extremism and its support with in the armed forces & how Pakistan took US military and US Administration to cleaners not for a day or two but for an entire decade --well seems hard to believe that US played along with it for so long ---

The author also clogged this article with too much of Religious fanatics and Anti Pakistan bashing but failed to entertain the thought of "Balance of Power" in the region had Russias reached Afghanistan ---
And this was not the point of concern for Pakistan, it was for US - as it would have lost the influence in the region ---
The child these three states raised in those days and nourished it, has turned into a Monster for them --- and it's not for one party but for all Three parties ----
 
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an ill versed and not well researched article - what do you expect us to say on this?? if i was an unbiased and neutral party to this then my honest opinion would have been that ISI was the Hand that fed the "Child" (Taliban) - the hands which taught this child to crawl and eventual walk --- but ISI was never the Mother or the Father to this child (KSA & USA) ----
The author with very good efforts elaborates on Religious extremism and its support with in the armed forces & how Pakistan took US military and US Administration to cleaners not for a day or two but for an entire decade --well seems hard to believe that US played along with it for so long ---

The author also clogged this article with too much of Religious fanatics and Anti Pakistan bashing but failed to entertain the thought of "Balance of Power" in the region had Russias reached Afghanistan ---
And this was not the point of concern for Pakistan, it was for US - as it would have lost the influence in the region ---
The child these three states raised in those days and nourshed it, has turned into a Monster for them --- and it not for one party but for all Three parties ----

Well US, Saudi and other external influences get a free pass because it is not their skin in the game. It is correct that blame must be appropriated and history should stand witness to all those who played their part in creating the monster of extremism and not just lay the whole thing on the shoulders of one or two parties.

However if we look forward then what are the dangers of allowing non state actors to flourish on Pakistani soil? I understand the Pakistani Military is right now overstretched in dealing with "TTP" but what after TTP is vanquished - and I believe it would be sooner or later.

The signs are not looking good as indicators suggest that India and Afganishtan focused extremists are again being patronized. If they were neglected due to over-burden then it would have been understandable but active patronage of extremists even after all that has happened is difficult to gulp down.

The conspiracy theories are again starting to float around duly endorsed by spinmeisiters in ISPR that India was to blame for recent attacks on Peshawar - all these points to efforts being made to focus the hate and anger towards India and prepare grounds for another proxy war. In a way it is understandable - as it would divert the elements of TTP, JEM, LeT etc towards India making it easier for PA to finish the hard core anti Pakistani elements but in a way it is suicidal as Pakistan again would be opting for convenience rather than rooting out the menace lock, stock and barrel.

Regards
 
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bullshit article, only ANP and indian narrative. pakistan was supporting gulbadin hikmatyar even at the time when taliban have one fourth of afghanistan. they backed taliban only when they smelled talib is future.
 
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Well US, Saudi and other external influences get a free pass because it is not their skin in the game. It is correct that blame must be appropriated and history should stand witness to all those who played their part in creating the monster of extremism and not just lay the whole thing on the shoulders of one or two parties.

However if we look forward then what are the dangers of allowing non state actors to flourish on Pakistani soil? I understand the Pakistani Military is right now overstretched in dealing with "TTP" but what after TTP is vanquished - and I believe it would be sooner or later.

The signs are not looking good as indicators suggest that India and Afganishtan focused extremists are again being patronized. If they were neglected due to over-burden then it would have been understandable but active patronage of extremists even after all that has happened is difficult to gulp down.

The conspiracy theories are again starting to float around duly endorsed by spinmeisiters in ISPR that India was to blame for recent attacks on Peshawar - all these points to efforts being made to focus the hate and anger towards India and prepare grounds for another proxy war. In a way it is understandable - as it would divert the elements of TTP, JEM, LeT etc towards India making it easier for PA to finish the hard core anti Pakistani elements but in a way it is suicidal as Pakistan again would be opting for convenience rather than rooting out the menace lock, stock and barrel.

Regards

I hope you sure will agree she is not on ISI payroll to spread conspiracy theory.
 
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bullshit article, only ANP and indian narrative. pakistan was supporting gulbadin hikmatyar even at the time when taliban have one fourth of afghanistan. they backed taliban only when they smelled talib is future.

What's the difference - both Talib and hikmatyar are Jihadi extremists who were fighting for the spoils of the war. Once it became clear - he would loose to Talib, Pakistan hedged with Talib. Simply the matter of choosing the winning terrorist instead of the loosing one
 
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What's the difference - both Talib and hikmatyar are Jihadi extremists who were fighting for the spoils of the war. Once it became clear - he would loose to Talib, Pakistan hedged with Talib. Simply the matter of choosing the winning terrorist instead of the loosing one

The term terrorist was coined in late 90's earlier they were all called Mujahidin endorsed by worlds most peace advocating nation US.
Here you will see even US president hosting these "terrorists"





Now tell me one thing what are india's objectives in Afghanistan . We share a border with them thus a reason for us to worry about their internal conflicts what India has got to do with them except brewing trouble for Pakistan ?
 
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The term terrorist was coined in late 90's earlier they were all called Mujahidin endorsed by worlds most peace advocating nation US.
Here you will see even US president hosting these "terrorists"





Now tell me one thing what are india's objectives in Afghanistan . We share a border with them thus a reason for us to worry about their internal conflicts what India has got to do with them except brewing trouble for Pakistan ?

Did I not say that US is equally culpable in the creation of these terrorists in my previous posts?

India has historical ties with Afghanistan and is involved in a huge way in reconstruction of Afghanistan as a friendly country. We build schools, hospitals, parliaments, dams, roads etc in Afghanistan thus earning as good will and necessitating a presence of significant diplomatic staff for the convenience of 1000s of Indians workers and engineering.

Regards
 
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Did I not say that US is equally culpable in the creation of these terrorists in my previous posts?

India has historical ties with Afghanistan and is involved in a huge way in reconstruction of Afghanistan as a friendly country. We build schools, hospitals, parliaments, dams, roads etc in Afghanistan thus earning as good will and necessitating a presence of significant diplomatic staff for the convenience of 1000s of Indians workers and engineering.

Regards

If US is equal culprit why don't we hear Modi criticizing her with the same zeal and asking her to solve the mess she created?

For your info US wasn't equally involve she had 90% share. Had there been no billion of dollars from her and all the latest weapons nothing would happened in Afghanistan. Pakistan at max was in a supportive role to do whatever she was asked of.
Historical ties kindly elaborate?

Well Somalia , sudan , rest of Africa and dozens other places across globe are in more need for such "HUMANTARIAN AID' and are less dangerous for workers as well why not help them first and when things in Afghanistan improve then show your humanity here. Isnt it a more logical stance?

At home Modi and his Sanghis hate Muslims like hell and schemes like Ghar wapsi are getting momentum with every day so are you guy planning to covert Afghanis to Hinduism as well?

And before building roads in Afghanistan or Africa wouldn't it be fair to first do the same in your own country and bring her to a developed state status.
 
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its a murky world where morality and decency dont count. if Saudis or Iranians wont hesitate in their own covert operations inside Pakistan then no one else will (to put it mildly).

What happens inside Pakistan, covert or not, is Pakistan's responsibility to allow or stop, wouldn't you agree, Sir?
 
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