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Bro - how are Pathans viewed in Punjab compared to Jatts and Gujjars? They are all garam khoon, do they get along most of the time?


Huge number of Pathans have assimilated into northern Punjab. They know speak Punjabi. They are viewed as hardworking no nonsense people. I have never seen a Pathan beggar. Nowadays you will only find Pathans going around picking up recyclables. They are obviously not land owners, but many have become merchants. Most of the clothing shops, fruit/vegetable stalls in my neighboring market are owned by Pathans. They get along fine. They like everyone else tend to marry into their own.
 
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Gujjars are a huge clan in Pakistan, 2nd largest in fact. They make up 20% of Pakistan's population. Most are settled in northern Punjab and Azad Kashmir. Gujjars are zamindars, and are viewed similar to Jatts. There is a popular saying here that Jatts and Gujjars share the same Nani. Both use "Chaudhry" as a title for respect.

As for origin that is up for debate.....
There is a saying in India that Nanda Maharaj the one who was Guardian of Lord Krishna was a Gurjar as the same was a Gurjar Village. So Gurjars seems to be very Old Clan in India and adjacent regions.
Do check out Big Boss 10 in India on YouTube there was a guy Manvir Gurjar (Baisoya). You will know how Indian Gurjars are.
Gurjars and Jatt have same Nani.. that's interesting to hear.
 
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Sikh yatris jatha from USA

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Hindu pilgrims arrive for Shivratri celebrations


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Indian Hindu pilgrims arrive at Wagah border to participate Maha Shivratri. ─APP
LAHORE: As many as 217 Hindu pilgrims arrived here on Wednesday through Wagah border on a seven-day tour to participate in Shivratri (night of Shiva) celebrations at the Katasraj temple in Pothohar area of Punjab.

The pilgrims, led by Shiv Partap Bajaj, were received by Evacuee Trust property Board Chairman Saddiqul Farooq.

Welcoming the delegation, the chairman said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had ordered foolproof security and arrangements for the visiting guests.

“The prime minister has extended the hand of friendship to India and repeatedly urged cooperation between both neighbours in order to solve all outstanding issues,” the chairman said. Cooperation and friendship was the only way forward for both countries so that they could prosper and help the entire region develop, he said.

Reciprocating the comments, Indian team leader Shiv Partap, who was born in Multan and is on his 10th visit to Pakistan, said both countries should resolve their issues and let people enjoy the fruits of peace.

“It has always been a pleasure to return to one’s roots. My family belonged to Pind Dadan Khan, I was born in Multan and the first memory I have is of Lahore. All those who left this side of the border have always been eager to return to see their ancestral villages and homes and avail first opportunity to do so. In order to do so, we need peaceful borders and increased people-to-people contact.”

Ms Ashu, who is on third visit to Pakistan, told Dawn that judging by the arrangements and the “reception we get here, it looks that if we are eager to come here,

Pakistan is more eager to welcome us. The warm welcome and perfect arrangements are a big encouragement for all of us and we thank Pakistan for all this and also for all reported development work at the mandir.”

The pilgrims would spend a day in Lahore and then move to Katasraj, where main celebrations will be held on Friday. The pilgrims would return to India on Feb 28.
 
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Jhulay Lal's cradle of tolerance

ZAHIDA REHMAN JATT

One of my colleagues asked me some time ago:

‘Can you believe that Hindus and Muslims can pray at the same place simultaneously?’

‘Well, of course not, at least not in Pakistan,’ I swiftly retorted.

He smiled and responded mysteriously, ‘There is a place not far from here where they do.’

It was the curiosity to confirm this statement that led me to the shrine of Jhulay Lal. Interestingly, contrary to the popular conceptions of the puritanical and narrow confines of religion, there still exist certain elements in our society that are a manifestation of our centuries’ old traditions of religious coexistence.

The shrine of Saint Jhulay Lal is one of these examples.

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The main dome.


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The front facade of the shrine.


We visited the shrine on a hot April day, though the cool breeze made it somewhat bearable. The town of Udero Lal, where the shrine is situated, lies almost 40 kilometers away from the Sanghar district. It is a small sleepy town with the shrine of a saint at its epicenter.

We arrived to see vendors selling edible items as people sipped tea in dhaba-styled hotels, with radio waves sailing through the air around us, piercing it with Sindhi folk music. The houses were small and the streets congested. But we had no difficulty reaching the shrine, for everyone we met knew the directions like the back of their hands.

The white domes of the shrine could be seen on the horizon from a distance. We entered the shrine and found it spick-and-span, painted spotless white with its battlements and bastions, reminiscent of an old fortress.

The inner sanctum, which is comparatively new, is a beautiful structure with ornate doors and exquisite woodwork. An Urs and fair commemorating the disappearance of the saint is held annually, where a large number of devotees from across Pakistan and abroad come and pay homage.

There is an adjoining room where a pair of sandals is kept, reportedly belonging to the saint.

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Two pigeons are resting inside a niche.


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A plaque documenting the repair work at the shrine.


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An ornate passage leading to shrine.


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A wooden door leading to the inner sanctum.


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A signboard indicating the place where the sandals are kept.


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Sandals that are believed to belong to the saint.


Jhulay Lal is related to the River Indus and sometimes revered as an incarnation of the River God Varuna in Sindh.

Most Muslims call the saint Khwaja Khizar, who is believed to guide people travelling through water courses and on voyages. The muhanas or mallah (as the fishermen are called in Sindh), held the saint in high esteem. Jhulay Lal is also called Zinda Pir, Sheikh Tahir, Khawaja Khizar, Udero Lal and Amar Lal.

According to various historical and colonial accounts, Jhulay Lal is said to have lived in the 17th century. Mirkh Shah, the despotic ruler of Thatta, tried to forcibly convert his Hindu subjects to Islam. On hearing this, the Hindus went to the bank of the Indus, fasted and prayed to the River to liberate them from this ordeal.

As a result, an image appeared from the depths of the River and told them that a child would be born to an aged couple living at Nasarpur, who would help them.

The child was named Udero Lal and also given the title 'Jhulay Lal', as his cradle was said to swing on its own. This child grew up into a valiant man and argued with Mirkh Shah, who realised his mistake and let the Hindus peacefully live in his domains.

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Bells ring during different times of the day.


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A poster showing Jhulay Lal riding the Palla fish.


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Lamps are burnt inside the temple.


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The jhula inside the shrine.


We entered the complex to the welcome of an eternal peace, enveloping everything around us. The tiled floor felt wonderfully cool, so we sat down in silence for some time. Inside the shrine, the air was laden with fragrance as the oil lamps were cast shadows over the walls; filling the room with a light yellowish glow.

Jhulay Lal is often depicted as sitting on a Palla fish (an indigenous species of the Indus) or riding on his horse. It is believed that he and his horse disappeared into a well mysteriously; his shrine now erected at the same place.

From that day on, the shrine has been a centre of attraction for thousands of Hindus and Muslims alike. The shrine, located in Udero Lal, houses a Hindu temple alongside a Muslim-style tomb, and the caretakers include both Hindus and Muslims. In the evenings, Hindus perform pooja and aaarti while Muslims too, offer prayers at the tomb .

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The bell that is rung at the time of Pooja.


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The devotees tie threads to a tree.


In the courtyard, people tied colourful threads and cloths on a tree, as tokens of prayers which would only be removed once the problem was resolved. Then, they would bring offerings to the saint, especially miniature swings and cradles.

Before we left, we prayed to the saint of The River Indus too, silently wishing that we may revert to our old values of peace and harmony.

This shrine stands as perhaps one of the few remaining strongholds of the eclectic elements of the Sindhi society, which are now being threatened by fundamentalism. The heritage of our mystic traditions should be promoted at state level, so that we may revive the love of humanity and co-existence which has always been part of our quintessential values.

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A view of the courtyard.
 
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  1. Govt allows export of Sikh holy water

    ISLAMABAD: A well in one of the holiest sites in the Sikh religion, believed to be the birthplace of the religion, has been made functional and the government has allowed the well’s holy water to be exported.

    “The water from this well is like what Aab-i-Zamzam is to Muslims. Now, the well has been shaped and a filtration plant has been set up over it so that Sikh devotees can drink the water,” Evacuee Trust Property Board (ETPB) Chairman Siddiqul Farooq told a Senate committee on Friday.

    Mr Farooq was briefing the Senate Standing Committee on Religious Affairs at the Parliament House. He explained that three ancient gurdwaras visited by the founder of Sikhism, Baba Guru Nanak, have been reopened.

    “The doors of these gurdwaras – one in Peshawar and two in the Nankana Sahib district – were closed after partition, and now they have been handed over to the Sikh community after renovation,” Mr Farooq said.

    He said Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib in Nankana Sahib is where Baba Guru Nanak is believed to have spent the final years of his life.

    “But the most considerable achievement is the opening of the holy well at Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib. Its water is called Amrit Jal by the Sikhs, and the government has allowed for the water to be exported all over the world.”

    The committee was informed that the government is in the process of allowing the printing of the Sikh religious text the Gurugranth Sahib.

    Senate body informed of reopening of three gurdwaras, renovations at Katas Raj
    Committee chairman Senator Hafiz Hamdullah asked during the ETPB official’s briefing why the gurdwaras and the holy well had been closed for so many years.

    Instead of addressing the question, officials from the Ministry of Religious Affairs, including Minister Sardar Mohammad Yousuf, Secretary Khalid Masood and ETPB officials remained silent. Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl’s Mr Hamdullah said it was not the right path to keep anyone from following their religion.

    “We need to be considerate and facilitate, as much as possible, the members of other religious to worship at their temples or gurdwaras or churches. Whatever the reason for their closure, we should try to maintain them and hand them over to the concerned community,” he said.

    He also asked ETPB officials if the Gurugranth Sahib was available in Urdu, and expressed the desire to read it. Other committee members mentioned that the holy book also contains mystical poetry.

    Mr Farooq told the committee that the Gurugranth Sahib contains the poetry of Sufi saints, including Baba Fareed and Bulleh Shah. He added the foundation of the Golden Temple in Amritsar was laid by Mian Tir, a Muslim.

    He said there are similar efforts to renovate Katas Raj, a holy Hindu temple complex in the Chakwal district.

    “A holy well there has been refurbished and a filtration plant became operational a few days ago, which was inaugurated by the prime minister in the presence of foreign envoys, including the Indian high commissioner, who even prayed at the renovated Shiv Mandir,” Mr Farooq said.

    Senator Ashok Kumar pointed towards the funding requirement for the Hinglaj Mata temple in Balochistan, and was informed that the temple falls under the jurisdiction of the provincial government and not the ETPB.

    Mr Hamdullah and other committee members directed the ministry and the ETPB chairman to get permission from the ETPB board and donate an ambulance to the temple.

    “We talk about our rights, but we ignore our duties and responsibilities towards others,” he added.

    The committee also discussed the performance of the Pakistan Madressa Board, and it was noted that cases regarding malfunctioning and misappropriations should be forwarded to the National Accountability Bureau and the Federal Investigation Agency.
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‘Hindus, Parsis and Christians developed Karachi’

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In this photograph taken on January 29, 2012, Hindu devotees worship at the Manher Mandir temple in Karachi. According to Akhtar Balouch, Hindus never wanted to leave Sindh but were forcibly sent to India.


KARACHI: The original owners of Karachi were Hindus, Parsis and Christians, who developed the city by setting up hospitals, schools and parks. However, they were forced to migrate from Karachi after Partition.

Writer and blogger Akhtar Balouch said this during the second Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) Karachi Literary Festival and book fair at PMA House on Saturday.

Balouch said he said chosen to speak on ‘Hindus and Parsis of Karachi’, which is an ‘unfortunate subject’ to discuss in our country. He was of the view that we need to understand and acknowledge the contributions of the Hindus, Parsis and Christians in making Karachi what it is today. He remarked that even after 70 years of its renaming, Bandar Road could never really become MA Jinnah Road.

According to Balouch, he reminds the people of Karachi that they do not want to see the indigenous minorities that used to inhabit the city. He added that by changing the names of landmarks you cannot discredit the achievements of these people. In fact, he said, you are making a mockery of your own history in these attempts of discrediting.

Talking about forcible migrations, he said that Rahimo Kaka of Indian movie Sholay was AK Hangal, who was forcibly sent to India after Partition by the then commissioner of Karachi, Syed Hashim Raza. He added that Hangal was a communist who made the first trade union in Karachi and worked at one of the tailors’ on Elphinstone Street, which is now called Zaibunisa Street, in Saddar.

“[Raza’s] term as commissioner would never be forgotten in the history of Karachi for expelling the Hindus from the city that they developed,” he said. He added that the Hindus never wanted to leave Sindh but were forcibly sent to India. How can a person leave a place where he has made a house, which is 10 or 20 years old, he asked.

According to Balouch, Founder of Pakistan Mohammad Ali Jinnah appointed Jogindera Nath Mandal as the law minister. However, he said, Mandal resigned and returned to Calcutta just a year after Partition when he learnt that the then secretary, Chaudhry Muhammad Ali, doubted him.

Balouch further mentioned the first mayor of Karachi, Jamshed Nusserwanji Mehta, who was a Parsi man of high stature. Unfortunately, said Balouch, we have never taken care of the landmarks that these people made for the betterment of the city. According to him, we have never tried to find out Mehta’s achievements for the city, which is probably because we don’t own Karachi or its founders.
 
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KARACHI: The Hindu community is celebrating annual religious festival of Holi with traditional enthusiasm today (Sunday).

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The main event of the Holi festival is being celebrated at Suami-Narayn Mandir in Karachi.

The Hindu community of Sindh, KP and Balochistan is also celebrating Holi, spraying different colours on each other, as the Holi is regarded as the beginning of spring season.

Colourful events will be held in different localities and temples of the Hindu community, where children and women will also participate with warmth and religious devotion in the day-long proceedings.

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15 couples, 7 vows: Sights from a mass Hindu wedding in Tando Adam


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Many Hindus contributed to assist them financially as did some local Muslims too.
 
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62 Hindu couples tie the knot at mass wedding ceremony

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Besides Karachi, intending brides and grooms from areas of Hub Chowki and Tando Allah Yar also part of the event

Drumbeats announced the entrance of Hindu couples for a mass wedding ceremony at the YMCA lawns on Sunday. The roads around the Sindh Governor House were cordoned off for security purposes, as buses filled with relatives of the brides and grooms made their way past the security checkpoints.

The stage was set for the rituals of the wedding ceremony to commence, as a pundit waited for the elders of the Hindu community to arrive. Governor Mohammad Zubair and other important figures of the city were also among the special guests.

With children running about the place and picking off orange flowers, drone cameras whizzed past them as audio technicians repeated the playlist comprising Bhajans (religious songs) and a few other wedding tunes.

Unlike many other couples who were yet to be settled in the Mandap, a small enclosure for the couples to perform their Saat Phere (seven circumambulations) – one of the most important features of a Hindu wedding, involving seven rounds around fire – Sunita and her would-be husband Eeshwar Laal were seated in the last row.

An annual feat for the past decade, the mass ceremony is organised by the Pakistan Hindu Council to help underprivileged community members get married.

“Another brother of mine was wedded at a similar ceremony,” said Laal’s sister Sawita, adding that her brother had submitted all the necessary documents many months ago and had been waiting for the ceremony that was supposed to have taken place three months back.

While there were couples from Karachi, many hailed from areas of Hub Chowki and Tando Allah Yar, with at least 20 of them from the latter.

Ramesh, who was representing as an elder for his niece, said his two nieces, who were sisters, had lost their mother so he was there for them.

“These days a wedding ceremony can cost around Rs400,000 and it’s almost impossible for these people to afford one. This gives them an opportunity to celebrate it in a grand manner with little or no investment, and the council gifts a certain sum to the couples as dowry.” Jiya, who was one of the brides, sat in a Ghoonghat (veil), while her groom exercised the traditional approach of using a handkerchief to partially cover his face.

Considered a ritual in families, it is not uncommon to marry off two siblings in a single ceremony, as Mala had come from Shireen Jinnah Colony to marry off her sisters-in law. While Anmol seemed comfortable, Anu Radha looked nervous, as her mother used the invitation card to fan the daughter.

Pakistan Hindu Council President Engr Hotchand Karmani said the body did not follow any criteria to select applicants, rather it accommodated all the entries they received.

“While it’s 62 this time, the highest number that we have had was 78. We encourage people to send their documents in time so we can proceed with the arrangements.”
 
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