Pakistan's Lost Opportunity: A Blunder

[StraightShooter]

India has still, increasingly military advantage I've a country that isn1/6 of its size

Which means Pakistan needs lesser numbers to defend while India needs greater numbers to defend.

Also, China does not need to join the war overtly. All they have to do is move some forces to the Indo-Chinese border, send some ships and subs into IOR region and India would be spread thin defending from all sides which means there would be hardly any forces left to go on the offensive against Pakistan.

India needs at least 7 (ideally 10):1 advantage against Pakistan to go on the offensive which is highly unlikely with the defense budgets that India allocates.

I would be happy if India could defend itself in the next war. I foresee a repeat of 1962. No actual build up of strength taking place but people giving out jingoistic statements.

 

[navtrek]

Every significant officers of ISI (present as well as retired) must be clenching their fists in suppressed anger. The only way for Pakistan to stand up to India was by use of nuclear weapon. Now the opportunity to exercise nuclear option is gone because of below stated reason. India is way too big to be disturbed by tiny Pakistan. A single state of Uttar Pradesh has a population bigger than the entire population of Pakistan. Non-usage of nuclear weapon meant it was only a matter of time before Pakistan was gobbled by giant India. Nuclear tipped missiles were the only thing that came in between Indian hordes and Pakistan.

Now China has made investments in Pakistan. If Chinese interests in Pakistan are threatened due to conflict with India it will not bother to take the inconvenience of war with India. Instead it will simply dissuade Pakistan from exacerbating tension with India. Chinese would say to Pakistanis, "Exercise restraint and stave off the war or else we will withdraw the investments."

Pakistan didn't miss the opportunity. It threw it away.

I totally agree with the point that China will not support the aggressor country. And i am pretty sure India has no interests with any territory in Pakistan we are okay with status quo.

 

[t_for_talli]

The day is not far when China will have military on ground , own major production hubs, have great influence on trade unions, own most of infrastructure and will have GOP under debt.

Pakistan as an entity will loose its relevance geopolitically and India has to deal with only China, for regional issues. India need to have good relations with China in longer run, thats it.

What Nepal to India is today, the same will be Pakistan to China in near future

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Every significant officers of ISI (present as well as retired) must be clenching their fists in suppressed anger. The only way for Pakistan to stand up to India was by use of nuclear weapon. Now the opportunity to exercise nuclear option is gone because of below stated reason. India is way too big to be disturbed by tiny Pakistan. A single state of Uttar Pradesh has a population bigger than the entire population of Pakistan. Non-usage of nuclear weapon meant it was only a matter of time before Pakistan was gobbled by giant India. Nuclear tipped missiles were the only thing that came in between Indian hordes and Pakistan.

Now China has made investments in Pakistan. If Chinese interests in Pakistan are threatened due to conflict with India it will not bother to take the inconvenience of war with India. Instead it will simply dissuade Pakistan from exacerbating tension with India. Chinese would say to Pakistanis, "Exercise restraint and stave off the war or else we will withdraw the investments."

Pakistan didn't miss the opportunity. It threw it away.

Another solution was to keep aside the thinking of Indus identity and join forces with Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Arab countries and form meaningful tangible alliances like union or something in order to offset the numerical advantage India has. That wasn't done either.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

@BANGLAR BIR

 

[Bharat Muslim]

another idealistic Indian.

What can determined Pakistani civilians do if they are bombed from the heights of air force plane? PAF cannot face IAF because it is heavily outnumbered.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

What can determined Pakistani civilians do if they are bombed from the heights of air force plane? PAF cannot face IAF because it is heavily outnumbered.

not heavily outnumbered. 1:1.8. we have air force half of your air force size to defend a country six times smaller than yours.
and also reserved 2700 fighters on north to neutralize your numbers.

and ask US and allies about Mosul and Afghanistan to show you what a determined army can do.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

not heavily outnumbered. 1:1.8. we have air force half of your air force size to defend a country six times smaller than yours.
and also reserved 2700 fighters on north to neutralize your numbers.

and ask US and allies about Mosul and Afghanistan to show you what a determined army can do.

In the cases of both India and Pakistan, the real numbers in military, the real strengths and weaknesses are all kept classified by their respective intelligence agencies.

Don't bring up the example of US or CIA. CIA is very bad at keeping secrets.

Quoting New York Times:

America's foes and rivals have long overrated the Central Intelligence Agency. When Henry Kissinger traveled to China in 1971, Prime Minister Chou En-lai asked about C.I.A. subversion. Kissinger told Chou that he "vastly overestimates the competence of the C.I.A." Chou persisted that "whenever something happens in the world they are always thought of." Kissinger acknowledged, "That is true, and it flatters them, but they don't deserve it."

Pray tell me, if PAF is able to stand up to India, why it didn't do it in 1965 and 1971?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Pray tell me, if PAF is able to stand up to India, why it didn't do it in 1965 and 1971?

do you really need to ask that? IAF got the sh*t beaten out of it in both of these wars
PAF was the only institution in both these wars which performed exceptionally well

 

[Bharat Muslim]

do you really need to ask that? IAF got the sh*t beaten out of it in both of these wars
PAF was the only institution in both these wars which performed exceptionally well

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result. In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

In the cases of both India and Pakistan, the real numbers in military, the real strengths and weaknesses are all kept classified by their respective intelligence agencies.

Don't bring up the example of US or CIA. CIA is very bad at keeping secrets.

Quoting New York Times:


Pray tell me, if PAF is able to stand up to India, why it didn't do it in 1965 and 1971?

plz verify your facts and numbers . the j
kill ratio is 1 :3 in PAF favour.
in 1965 complete air superiority by PAF was achieved in first week of war. kill ratio was 1:6 in PAF favour. we also presented all of our assets to world median to verify the claims.

in 1971 the kill ratio was again in our favour. even only 1 squadron in east Pakistan ave you more than a good fight. until last day of war we were carrying out ops unlike Indian airforce which moved out of the war in 1965.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

plz verify your facts and numbers . the j
kill ratio is 1 :3 in PAF favour.
in 1965 complete air superiority by PAF was achieved in first week of war. kill ratio was 1:6 in PAF favour. we also presented all of our assets to world median to verify the claims.

in 1971 the kill ratio was again in our favour. even only 1 squadron in east Pakistan ave you more than a good fight. until last day of war we were carrying out ops unlike Indian airforce which moved out of the war in 1965.

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result, right? In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result, right? In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

good that you accepted. there was an Indian pilot given vir chakra and title if sabre slayer. he fought a saber already in bad condition and surprisingly 1 saber fought 6 gnats and even then returned back safely to the base.

about 65. it was a draw with India losing more men and machine. overall the war was a draw and Indians found out about win decades after the war.
in 1971 our soldiers were tired of long war against miliants. out numbered,blockade of east and soviet direct involvement along with enemy locals were the reason we lost.

besides all those factors w would have won the war if soviets were not using g their advance weapons to shoot our Navy ships. we took our revenge from them. you will face same results soon. fire had just started in Indian east and Kashmir.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result, right? In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

wallah Bruder you joking? Look what this Gora man John Fricker s saying

 

[BATMAN]

So you are saying that Pakistan should have finished India off with nuclear weapons before China could invest in Pakistan?
Are you out of your mind?
Do you wish for death of 1.5 billion people in the subcontinent?

We have tactical weapons like NASAR, which is capable of limited destruction.
Especially made to take out complete bases of Indian army.
Your army knows it, this is why they always stay behind the human cover of Kashmiris.
We are waiting for the day, your army is out in open and that day all conflicts should end.