Pakistan’s identity crisis!

[Providence]

So you need a masters degree in conflict-resolution to come up with this journalistic masterpiece?

Give me a f**king break, its a 15 year olds homework. I could write a more thought provoking article in under 30 minutes.

Why don't you write and then brag ?

 

[Kabira]

go to youtube and almost all existential discussion on pakistan is about the topics i mentioned above. in fact your rants prove what i wrote. Muslim invaders did not come with urdu language but it was evolved on the basis of the language spoken around Delhi and Lucknow with liberal use of arabic and persian words. The muslim invaders mostly spoke arabic, turki or persian.
When you say a pakistani identifies with Islam then whats so unique about yourself. Even I identify myself as a muslim but i am indian and there are many like me who are muslims and not pakistanis. And what about the non muslim citizens of pakistan? what do they identify themselves with? They are not muslims so they cant identify themselves with Islam. Your crises and dichotomies get exposed here that you keep discussing about it in circles.

Urdu was invented by turkic muslims interaction with punjabis and later on ganga belt people. Please do not take away credit from muslim invaders. Non-muslims of Pakistan can identify with their own religion.

 

[rockstar08]

so after petrol , Gas , electricity , and water , ladies and Gentlemen ..... a new Crisis emerge as " Identity Crisis " lolz

 

[Kabira]

It is true Jinnah wanted Muslim majority areas merged together,why did he refuse to exchange Kashmir with Hyderabad & Junagadh. Kashmir had 95% Muslim population with a Hindu Prince while Hyderabad & Junagadh had 90% Hindu population with a Muslim Nawab. It is said that Hyderabad was one of the richest province while the Nizam was one the wealthiest person in the world,loosing Hyderabad was like a loosing a golden goose. Even Karachi had a 51% Hindu majority population during 1947. In that case Karachi should have gone to India or atleast 50% of Karachi.

Jinnah was not perfect and British played double game to help hindus who they always favored over muslims. Why do you think 51% of Karachi population was non-muslim in heartland of muslim majority country? Because British brought many Indian hindus in to Karachi which they left peacefully in 1947 to go back to where they came from. Before British Karachi population consisted of indigenous Baloch and Sindhi muslims.

Britsh always played double game, no wonder Pakistan had to start with 0 after partition because most of development happened in hindu majority areas.

 

[christian warrior]

It's not indi crisis its religious blindness

 

[TimeTraveller]

The writer has a master’s degree in conflict-resolution from the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California and blogs at Coffee Shop Diplomat | Blog, pics & articles

More than a month has gone by since the attack on APS, Peshawar. Military courts have been established and schools have been made responsible for their own security. The country is still limping back from one crisis and is now forced to deal with a self-imposed fuel shortage. Are these events written in the stars or does the fault lie within ourselves? We are racked with violence and extremism while our civil society is inept and known to celebrate suicidal maniacs with vigour and fanfare. Hangings of convicted murderers bring out a vote for sympathy in their favour. Volunteers administering polio shots are killed and anyone with a different ideology is destroyed.

The land of the pure wishes to represent all Muslims of the world, where ever they maybe, by rioting for their causes and protesting in their support. Buildings are burnt and facilities are demolished because of the emotional tantrum we suffer on account of real or perceived insults to our belief. Is Pakistan only made up of emotional mobs and nothing more, where might is always right and each citizen is left to their own struggle for survival of the fittest? Why then are the expectations of the population so lofty? There is talk of democracy and a demand for progress. Herein lies the contradiction and where we need to find the answer to how Pakistan can operate as a nation. Today’s society appears to neither have the intent nor capacity to right itself but is indecisively wavering about in search of answers. The ‘Pakistani Nation’ as a whole is at fault. Pakistanis act as their own worst enemy and are on a circular path that leads nowhere. This cannot be righted by anyone but ourselves and it must start by de-radicalising the populace.

Once the radicalised element is under control, society can relearn to live for their belief rather than to just die for it. People will once again be free to discuss in the open whether Pakistan is an ideological state or not. If, according to outspoken opinion, the most important pillar of statehood is ideology, then it should certainly not be left in the hands of the fanatical mullah. This extreme aberration holds domestic and foreign policy hostage to his own interpretation of ideology, causing violent protests if his narrow views and demands are not strictly adhered to.

A moderate form of religion-based governance may not be feasible, when one person’s interpretation of religion does not recognise another person as a Muslim. If ideology itself is responsible for dividing the nation into small little hate groups, then surely one needs to consider rational statehood in lieu of the theological form. Was Pakistan created as a result of repression or was it created in order for Muslims to have a way to repress others? Was Pakistan always an Islamic Republic? If there is an alternative identity which doesn’t violate the number one priority, the well-being of its populace, then it must be sought. Regardless of whether Pakistan turns into a more inclusive system or not, madrassas must be reined in and the role of religion in politics has to be reviewed. The authority of the maulvi also requires clear definition so as to avoid any delusions. The state should be returned to the citizens, to live in an air of freedom without fear and fraud, without prejudice and malice towards anyone.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 26th, 2015.

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[Kabira]

Thanks For Tagging Sir.............See to tell you the truth, i myself believe that there might be some members (i don't know about others outside this forum so i will not speak about it) on this forum who likes to bash other countries or speak something unusual or bitter about other members but i know this very definitely that they always prey good for the other fellow members.....No one on this forum really want's bad for other members....it is because whether they show their true feelings or not but they seriously never want difficulties for other members....It is this forum, its members and their love and respect for others that binds all the members together and that makes all members to stay and present their views together....Except for some people all over the world, no one want's hardship for other countries or for others.....Even there might be some Pakistani or Indian members( one of them is me myself) who just post comments that might hurt a little but they all never want's difficulties or i must say they even don't want to dream bad for others...Love has the power to bring back the dead to Life.....Every person has a different way of showing what he or she feels about the others... Maybe not everyone want's to show their feelings.....But i am waiting for that day when there will be peace and only peace........

ON TOPIC............Every country has some problems whether it be India or Pakistan...We should love people not for their dark side but for their bright side and the rest all will be definitely good......

 

[suresh1773]

Jinnah was not perfect and British played double game to help hindus who they always favored over muslims. Why do you think 51% of Karachi population was non-muslim in heartland of muslim majority country? Because British brought many Indian hindus in to Karachi which they left peacefully in 1947 to go back to where they came from. Before British Karachi population consisted of indigenous Baloch and Sindhi muslims.

Britsh always played double game, no wonder Pakistan had to start with 0 after partition because most of development happened in hindu majority areas.

British might have played a double game.According to the Partition plan only Muslim majority areas would go to Pakistan. Secondly every person migrates to another place at some point of time. The british brought many Hindus to Karachi what about the Muslims who were bought by Afghan invaders,Iranian,turkish,Central Asia.
I still feel atleast 50% of the Karachi would have gone to India,what about Sindhi Hindus. Punjab & Bengal got divided,for the Sindhi Hindus got nothing.

But Why did Jinnah refuse to exchange Hyderabad & Junagadh with Kashmir,though Muslims were majority in Kashmir unlike the other two places. Why was Jinnah more interested in Hyderabad In the words of Liaquat Ali Khan,I am not a fool to exchange a few hill with the plain landscape which is more then the area of Punjab. Are u aware of this deal

 

[Kabira]

British might have played a double game.According to the Partition plan only Muslim majority areas would go to Pakistan. Secondly every person migrates to another place at some point of time. The british brought many Hindus to Karachi what about the Muslims who were bought by Afghan invaders,Iranian,turkish,Central Asia.
I still feel atleast 50% of the Karachi would have gone to India,what about Sindhi Hindus. Punjab & Bengal got divided,for the Sindhi Hindus got nothing.

But Why did Jinnah refuse to exchange Hyderabad & Junagadh with Kashmir,though Muslims were majority in Kashmir unlike the other two places. Why was Jinnah more interested in Hyderabad In the words of Liaquat Ali Khan,I am not a fool to exchange a few hill with the plain landscape which is more then the area of Punjab. Are u aware of this deal

You does not make any sense, Baloch and Sindhis are native people of Karachi while Indian hindus were not. So stop crying about hindus. Sindhi hindus got Kutch region, otherwise Kutch should have been part of Pakistan. I am talking about non native Indian hindus brought by British in muslim majority country cities.

 

[B+ Dracula]

Urdu is a language of northern India. It was spoken mainly around Delhi and was considered language of Indian Muslim elite. Its embarrassing that it was taken as national language of Pakistan when almost no one spoke this language here Still, only 8 % of Pakistanis natively speak this language including Muhajirs from India. A totally failed policy, even after 67 years of independence!

Bhai......we live in Pakistan...not Norway...(kia hogia hy...huh)

so after petrol , Gas , electricity , and water , ladies and Gentlemen ..... a new Crisis emerge as " Identity Crisis " lolz

Favourite subject of Indian members....otherwise we at home never bothered it altogether

Thanks For Tagging Sir.............See to tell you the truth, i myself believe that there might be some members (i don't know about others outside this forum so i will not speak about it) on this forum who likes to bash other countries or speak something unusual or bitter about other members but i know this very definitely that they always prey good for the other fellow members.....No one on this forum really want's bad for other members....it is because whether they show their true feelings or not but they seriously never want difficulties for other members....It is this forum, its members and their love and respect for others that binds all the members together and that makes all members to stay and present their views together....Except for some people all over the world, no one want's hardship for other countries or for others.....Even there might be some Pakistani or Indian members( one of them is me myself) who just post comments that might hurt a little but they all never want's difficulties or i must say they even don't want to dream bad for others...Love has the power to bring back the dead to Life.....Every person has a different way of showing what he or she feels about the others... Maybe not everyone want's to show their feelings.....But i am waiting for that day when there will be peace and only peace........

Bus kardo...Bus

 

[jamahir]

The land of the pure wishes to represent all Muslims of the world, where ever they maybe, by rioting for their causes and protesting in their support.

sounds like india actually.

Is Pakistan only made up of emotional mobs and nothing more, where might is always right and each citizen is left to their own struggle for survival of the fittest?

definitely india.

A moderate form of religion-based governance may not be feasible, when one person’s interpretation of religion does not recognise another person as a Muslim. If ideology itself is responsible for dividing the nation into small little hate groups, then surely one needs to consider rational statehood in lieu of the theological form. Was Pakistan created as a result of repression or was it created in order for Muslims to have a way to repress others? Was Pakistan always an Islamic Republic? If there is an alternative identity which doesn’t violate the number one priority, the well-being of its populace, then it must be sought. Regardless of whether Pakistan turns into a more inclusive system or not, madrassas must be reined in and the role of religion in politics has to be reviewed. The authority of the maulvi also requires clear definition so as to avoid any delusions. The state should be returned to the citizens, to live in an air of freedom without fear and fraud, without prejudice and malice towards anyone.

i would say in pakistan the "liberals" were the ones who tolerated the mullahs ( tableeghis, deobandis ) and allowed them to become the extreme poison of today... the socialist muslim societies took a practical view and did not tolerate the nonsense of the mullah and jailed them or eliminated them as fit.

pakistan had more chances to become socialist than india... foolish that it was not done so.

this is the chance for the liberals to support any socialist movements remaining in pakistan... either that or pakistan will continue this tortured method of progress.

Interesting, Pakistan is a "Muslim state" rather than a theological state, what we will see gradually is that the people will return to what they were pre-1979, it is already happening and with the various military ops, this will be seen.

good analysis.

So you need a masters degree in conflict-resolution to come up with this journalistic masterpiece?

i think it was tribune which put that... i don't think the lady began "oh, i have a master's degree and..."

 

[Skywalker]

In 1979, two Asian neighbors faced Islamic revolutions; Iran and Pakistan. While one nation came out of it as rather progressive one, the other regressed in chaos. I need not to tell which one

Shut up.

 

[Norwegian]

Shut up.

Can't. Its keyboard, not a mouthpiece

 

[Skywalker]

Can't. Its keyboard, not a mouthpiece

Obviously, if you had been here physically I would shut u up personally mr. False flagger.

 

[suresh1773]

You does not make any sense, Baloch and Sindhis are native people of Karachi while Indian hindus were not. So stop crying about hindus. Sindhi hindus got Kutch region, otherwise Kutch should have been part of Pakistan. I am talking about non native Indian hindus brought by British in muslim majority country cities.

Every person migrates to some place at some point of time. Sindhi & Kutch are different languages just like Punjabi & Sindhi,Kutch had a majority Hindu Population just like Junagadh & Hyderabad(Deccan).
What about the Muslims bought by Afghan invaders,turkish,Iranian,Central Asia.Why r u silent on that.
Amarkot had a 80% hindu population during Partition,today it is less then 30%. Where did the vast majority of Hindus go,did it disappear.On the other hand the Muslim population is increasing in India year by year.

So I still feel atleast 50% of Karachi should have gone to India.