Pakistan's former ambassador to US 'lobbying against own country', says Aziz

[Hamartia Antidote]

Dayum, @Syed.Ali.Haider turned pink pretty quick. I hope now you see that it does matter whether you can convince them or not.

Some mod or tt has a grudge against him. I asked waz but he has no idea.

Nothing new for him. I have seen him battling the forum staff since the day I joined and even before that.

We really should make a better effort to warn him in the future when things get testy. He just got off a previous ban like a week and a half ago.

 

[Arsalan]

Well i have had great some good discussions with Syed Ali. Though we do not agree on most points but i respect his point of view, he is entitled to his own. The forum also allows for that. However if you can just open his profile and read some of his latest remarks there, you may understand what is the reason behind this ban. That kind of remarks and language is beneath him and not in accordance with forum rules.

The previous ban was for similar reason and when i personally asked him why he used foul language he said that he knew that the particular Moderator wanted to ban him so he thought he would provide him with a good reason. The point is, you cannot present your assumptions as justification for something that is wrong.

I hope he will get back soon and we will continue with the discussions, using better language off course.

@guest11 @Tripoli @Hamartia Antidote

If you still have any doubts after reading those posts on his profile page, please take that to the following thread:
https://defence.pk/forums/general-headquarters.170/

 

[Tripoli]

Well i have had great some good discussions with Syed Ali. Though we do not agree on most points but i respect his point of view, he is entitled to his own. The forum also allows for that. However if you can just open his profile and read some of his latest remarks there, you may understand what is the reason behind this ban. That kind of remarks and language is beneath him and not in accordance with forum rules.

The previous ban was for similar reason and when i personally asked him why he used foul language he said that he knew that the particular Moderator wanted to ban him so he thought he would provide him with a good reason. The point is, you cannot present your assumptions as justification for something that is wrong.

I hope he will get back soon and we will continue with the discussions, using better language off course.

@guest11 @Tripoli @Hamartia Antidote

If you still have any doubts after reading those posts on his profile page, please take that to the following thread:
https://defence.pk/forums/general-headquarters.170/

Oh please. There are Indians(and one pakistani) right now posting posting graphic images of rape.

I hope they get banned too. Permanently if possible.

Want a link? https://defence.pk/threads/rape-in-kashmir-human-rights-watch.436142/page-2

@Arsalan

 

[Arsalan]

Oh please. There are Indians(and one pakistani) right now posting posting graphic images of rape.

I hope they get banned too. Permanently if possible.

Want a link? https://defence.pk/threads/rape-in-kashmir-human-rights-watch.436142/page-2

@Arsalan

Have you reported those posts? Taged some MOD in that thread?
The best way is to report such posts immediately. Sorry for say this brother but if you are not doing your job (that is to report such issues by using that report button under left side of each post) then you have no right to criticize what others do. I hope you will take this as a brotherly advice!

@Tripoli thread reported for now. Will be taken care of by moderators. Again, it is requested that you report any such content. The moderators cannot police each and every thread and the members are required to help make this forum a better place.

 

[Tripoli]

Have you reported those posts? Taged some MOD in that thread?
The best way is to report such posts immediately. Sorry for say this brother but if you are not doing your job (that is to report such issues by using that report button under left side of each post) then you have no right to criticize what others do. I hope you will take this as a brotherly advice!

I did report them 1 hour ago. The mods however are very slow. I mean how hard is it to notice a thread called' r*** in kashmir?

 

[Arsalan]

I did report them 1 hour ago. The mods however are very slow. I mean how hard is it to notice a thread called' r*** in kashmir?

There are just a handful of moderators and you can see the volume of the forum for yourself. Anyway, you did the right thing. I am temporarily banned the thread with all its content and hopefully that will be made permanent once moderators review it. Anyway, it is not on the forum anymore for now and i am positive it will stay that way.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Some mod or tt has a grudge against him. I asked waz but he has no idea.

"good deeds" like these cant go unnoticed

 

[Solomon2]

THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > OPINION > LETTERS
Rejoinder by Husain Haqqani
By Letter
Published: June 27, 2016

WASHINGTON, DC: Pakistani officials should take responsibility for their failed policies and poor presentation abroad instead of looking for scapegoats to divert attention from criticism at home. I reject the claims of Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz that I have been lobbying against my own country and “creating hurdles for the government”. I know Mr Aziz is talking about me because another minister had also attacked me by name with similar claims.

I am now a scholar in the US, not a lobbyist. If my opinions as a scholar carry so much weight that US policy is being affected by them, then the Pakistan foreign ministry should try to influence my opinions rather than treating me like a pariah and making false allegations against me in the Pakistani media. Pakistan’s difficulties in the US were the result of years of supporting jihadis and making excuses that are having less and less effect on Americans. Moreover, Pakistan’s dependence on US aid has made it susceptible to changes in US national mood and attitude. I did not make the AQ Khan network, support the Taliban as they killed US soldiers in Afghanistan or allow UN-designated terrorist groups to function openly so there is no point in blaming me for these policy failures. Neither I nor any other former ambassador was responsible for the OBL fiasco. I have written three scholarly books on Pakistan, published internationally, critiquing policies that I believe damage Pakistan’s interests. Others, including Mr Aziz, are welcome to write books that disprove my arguments but to say that my opinions are creating hurdles to the conduct of their failed policies is disingenuous at best.

I am not engaged in lobbying and would never lobby against what I consider to be the interest of Pakistan. However, I am entitled to having a different opinion about what is Pakistan’s interest than the entrenched Pakistani establishment and if that troubles some people, so be it. Mr Aziz should understand that making noise in Islamabad about a scholar in Washington would not change things in Washington. I have great respect for Mr Aziz as a development economist and would like him to extend the same courtesy to me as a professor of International Relations.

Husain Haqqani

Published in The Express Tribune, June 25th, 2016.

 

[Bossman]

THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > OPINION > LETTERS
Rejoinder by Husain Haqqani
By Letter
Published: June 27, 2016

WASHINGTON, DC: Pakistani officials should take responsibility for their failed policies and poor presentation abroad instead of looking for scapegoats to divert attention from criticism at home. I reject the claims of Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz that I have been lobbying against my own country and “creating hurdles for the government”. I know Mr Aziz is talking about me because another minister had also attacked me by name with similar claims.

I am now a scholar in the US, not a lobbyist. If my opinions as a scholar carry so much weight that US policy is being affected by them, then the Pakistan foreign ministry should try to influence my opinions rather than treating me like a pariah and making false allegations against me in the Pakistani media. Pakistan’s difficulties in the US were the result of years of supporting jihadis and making excuses that are having less and less effect on Americans. Moreover, Pakistan’s dependence on US aid has made it susceptible to changes in US national mood and attitude. I did not make the AQ Khan network, support the Taliban as they killed US soldiers in Afghanistan or allow UN-designated terrorist groups to function openly so there is no point in blaming me for these policy failures. Neither I nor any other former ambassador was responsible for the OBL fiasco. I have written three scholarly books on Pakistan, published internationally, critiquing policies that I believe damage Pakistan’s interests. Others, including Mr Aziz, are welcome to write books that disprove my arguments but to say that my opinions are creating hurdles to the conduct of their failed policies is disingenuous at best.

I am not engaged in lobbying and would never lobby against what I consider to be the interest of Pakistan. However, I am entitled to having a different opinion about what is Pakistan’s interest than the entrenched Pakistani establishment and if that troubles some people, so be it. Mr Aziz should understand that making noise in Islamabad about a scholar in Washington would not change things in Washington. I have great respect for Mr Aziz as a development economist and would like him to extend the same courtesy to me as a professor of International Relations.

Husain Haqqani

Published in The Express Tribune, June 25th, 2016.

He was never a diplomat or a scholar. He was always a whore and traitor, selling himself to the highest bidder. That is his life history starting as student leader with Jamat e Islami to his time in Washington DC.

 

[Solomon2]

He was never a diplomat or a scholar. He was always a whore and traitor, selling himself to the highest bidder. That is his life history starting as student leader with Jamat e Islami to his time in Washington DC.

That prompts the question, "Who serves Pakistanis better, their politicians or..."