Rebasing was done in this time period.
then u can't take pride on that becoz u underestimated earlier periods and becoz of which current periods get the kick...
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Rebasing was done in this time period.
Fair source Riaz. Apologies for doubting the source earlier.. However, any thoughts on how come these numbers are different from the CIA fact book, google and world bank numbers with such a large margin..
Pakistan and BD economy are similar in nature. Both the countries produce similar products, export similar and import similar and almost of the same volume. Also economic backgrounds are similar. Why PK failed to sustain global fallout and BD just shown resillience? Why change of government in Pakistan have any impact on economic growth while in BD it has very or no impact at all. Why in a fine morning we see PK is growing 8% per anum but by nighfall it gone negative when BD keeps it slow and steady and increasing every year. When BD projects to get its growth rate to 8% by year 2013 and 10% by year 2017 by attaining certain parameters when PK has no direction at all and dont know what will take them out of this difficult situation. Should they learn something from their smaller brother the way PK's president learned to say "No aid but trade" from BD?
India has moved away from being helplessly dependent on aid (as in late 80's and early 90s) and is slowly moving into the zone of providing some financial help to its friendly nations.
In January 2009, India completed construction of the Zaranj-Delaram highway in southwest Afghanistan near the Iranian border; it is building Afghanistan's new parliament building set for completion by ...
But I guess you already knew this and the statement was just to poke a little..
btw the $ 500 million you talked off is for the govt /people of Afg or the funding towards helping Afghan Taliban to overthrow the current govt??
No I am not contending that at all. The topic is on the amount of aid recvd. So if you open the links I provided in my post in response to
And the state of economy of pakistan today is fairly visible to all...
It wasnt me who started contending that the growth of India is due to aid from rest of the world.. Think it was you..And if you try
and highlight selective areas of affluence in Pakistan, then dont forget that india is 3rd in the world in terms of no of billionnairs.
And roads are not the only component of infrastructure. Will do you well to comapre the reach of Indian railway network to what you see in pakistan...Also do look up some of the recent World economic forum reports on both India and Pakistan to get a perspective..
Before 9/11 indian infrastructure was 1/10 of where it stands today.Every single Pakistani I know that has visited India (Delhi, Bombay etc.) has come back with the view that the infrastructure in Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, Faisalabad (collectively home to almost 30% of our population) is decades ahead of India.
Before 9/11 indian infrastructure was 1/10 of where it stands today.
I have seen india before 9/11 the bombay airport was a shithole as compare to Karachi airport.
Have you been there? Have you seen it? Have you got documented proof?All i know about india is people shiting in open... while others are sleeping next to it.
Where as i agree to your point... when a road is getting widened it in one decade it is wrong but this is due to politicians dictating matters.
No, Batman is right. It is shameful to admit but there are poor people of our quota without proper housing or latrins. It is very common in morning to see people shitting on rail-lines. But men sleeping next to him is his imagination.Have you been there? Have you seen it? Have you got documented proof?
This is highly ethically unsound and immoral of you to make such claims. Control your language.
Where the hell did politicians come from here? Urban planning is managed by bureaucrats not politicians. Lame finger pointing again.
The farce that has been thrown to the average man over the past decade is that "new wide roads = development". People seem to believe that fly overs, underpasses and wide roads somehow exemplify "development". Any student of urban planning will contend this viewpoint and would know that if a stretch o road has to widened more than 3 times in a single decade this exemplifies the failure of urban planning and traffic flow management in the area. Ahmed Rafay Alam has written much about it in The News.
As for Indian roads, I have been to India (2005) and frankly they are incomparable with Pakistani roads and our highway infrastructure. Across much of western India, highways were in depleted condition with urban roads hardly accommodating anybody.
It does if the 100 is on the downward trend and 15 is on the upward. If 10 years back you were getting 120 and giving out nothing and now you are getting 100 and giving out 15, the trend is quite clear...No where I am claiming that India has become totally free of receiving aid. But 2.2 billion development aid (over and above the military aid) for an economy of 168 billion is significantly higher than a 1.2 billion aid for a $ 1.3 trillion economy.. wouldnt you say ??Well, in that case, Pakistan is doing the same... this is meaningless until net contributions are +ve. On these grounds, I disagree with your claim. If you get 100 and give 15, that really doesn't qualify as "moving into the zone of providing some financial help..."
Unfortunately No.Is there a link that shows the breakdown? Curious to see how much of the $1.5B is actually at work, vs. committed conversationally.
If it was possible for Pakistan to win India with just $500 million, It would have done that decades back. And your comment suggests the traditional Pakistani mindset of using terrorists to further strategic gains. And that's why you are fighting the war on terror and that's why your economy that was growing faster than India some years back is now is growing at an abysmal 2.5%Believe me, if we had given $500M to the Taliban, you would have been the first to find out. And the discovery wouldn't have been pleasant. So no, unless you see Mullah Omer waving a Taliban flag over the Red Fort, you can rest assured we didn't arm them with $500M.
Yes, you are right. It is. And most of your assertions regarding increase in aid and inflation basically have to do with the same two year period that I was earlier alluding to. It is quite disingenuous to build a long term economic performance argument on two out-lier years. But that said, here is the CURRENT situation:
And I stand by it. If it weren't for the aid supplied to India through much of its history, there would have been millions of deaths, much less poorer growth. Food aid has been critical to India through its history.
Since I havent seen Islamabad, I cant comment.. But one beautiful and well managed city is no indicator of economic growth..I am not highlighting "selective areas affluence"; I think a city with a population > 1 million people involves pretty much the entire spread of services a government is supposed to deliver its people. I asked you if you can name a single Indian city which is even remotely comparable to Islamabad. And you can't. Because there isn't.
Yes, I concede that with a population 7-8 times Pakistan's, there are more billionaires in India than in Pakistan. But for almost the entire 63 year period, the per capita income of Pakistan has also been higher than that of India.
Pakistan Railways needs improvement, which is why we have launched a $20B project with Iran and Turkey to build an Islamabad to EU service utilizing lines in Pakistan, Iran and Turkey. Our links with China are also being upgraded. However, you may not know that during President Zia's tenure it was deliberately decided that the highway network would be given preference to rail and for this purpose, he had the NLC established for heavy transport. A similar decision was made by the US, by the way, which has a road network far more impressive in comparison to its railway network.
Yes, we can both read WEF reports and lots of other material, but at the end of the day, the proof of the pudding lies in its eating... Karachi has a population about the same as Bombay's, and both cities are economic hubs for their respective countries. Look at the infrastructure that's been developed in Karachi over the last decade alone. Look at the parks, highways, water treatment plants etc. Then look at the size of slums in both cities. One guess as to which city has the larger slums. Every single Pakistani I know that has visited India (Delhi, Bombay etc.) has come back with the view that the infrastructure in Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, Faisalabad (collectively home to almost 30% of our population) is decades ahead of India.
I personally hosted a VP of the third largest PC manufacturer in the world in Lahore just a couple of years ago. This gentleman (American) had visited India three times and had been to Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad and Delhi. I took him to Bhurban, Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi. Other than Lahore-Karachi stretch, which was too long to drive, all our travels were by car. His exact quote to me was that he thought "Pakistan's infrastructure was 30 years ahead of India". Not my words.
If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, you are welcome to. My point - and one that has been validated by numerous uninterested third-parties such as William Dalrymple - is that over the past 63 years, Pakistan has on average, done better by its people than India in terms of standards of living. That, considered on the whole, the infrastructure in Pakistan is far better than India's. Yes, our economy has been hit hard these past two years due to a WoT which consumed 5% of our GDP growth and a global recession which put mighty economies like the US on a negative growth rate... we were still over 2%. But things have improved as per the data I have provided above and even as per the IMF the future is looking bright with a potential to re-enter the 6-8% growth range.
Before 9/11 indian infrastructure was 1/10 of where it stands today.
I have seen india before 9/11 the bombay airport was a shithole as compare to Karachi airport.
Your quibble with inadequate planning is justified, but infrastructure construction DOES EQUAL development anywhere, including the United States. Not only do contruction projects create a large number of jobs to stimulate the economy, such projects also increase productivity by reducing the time required for transportation of goods and people.