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@iLION12345_1 is the ammo of M109 compatible with PLZ-45? It is 45.cal while M109 is 52.cal
The M109 is 38 or 39 calibers depending on the model. Even then, there might be minor changes in the loading and firing systems that may make the ammo incompatible, either way, If PA purchases any new Chinese SP guns, it’ll try its best to have the gun shared with the SH-15, or at least use the same ammo.
 
I think M-109 which we have are 155mm/39 caliber
Sir @PanzerKiel is angry with me these days but I hope he can understand shed some light on the question you are raising. Also future of our tracked artillery systems where we stand and where we may go from here.
 
Again, you find a problem where there is none, I didn’t even call the VT-5 bad, it’s just that you lack basic comprehension skills. I said it’s not good for Pakistan because we have no use for it, a proper MBT is more useful for Pakistan. That’s why we buy the VT-4 and make the Al-Khalid-1. Though to be fair, the VT-5 is only average at best itself when it comes to light tanks.

As for your VT-4, it’s criticism was justified, it’s not a good MBT when compared to what else is available in the world apart from maybe in some of it’s C4I and Fire control systems BUT It’s the best by a long margin in the Indo-Pak theatre though, and the best option available for Pakistan.
In fact China doesn’t make any tank that’s comparable to the best of what’s available in the west or Russia, the ZTZ-99A is also average at best. It improves upon firepower and protection a little bit over the VT-4, but falls behind in technology, so it ends up at the same place. but don’t take it from me, I’m far too biased.

Wow.. what a beautiful (and for me atleast credible too) way to answer a question and lay bait as well. I am sure he will come back charging and the history will repeat itself.
Please don't stop as we get to learn a thing here and there.. and I love the way you take the mick outta him
 
I think M-109 which we have are 155mm/39 caliber
Yep all M109 A variants use the 39cal gun only the original M109 used the 20 Caliber Gun the the difference between our M109s A2s and A5s is the Gun A5s use XM284 Gun which gives extended range compared to the M185 Gun on A2 the range of normal rounds increases from 18km to 22km and the range of HERA increases 23.5km to 30km.IMO the replacement of M109 will not come any time soon considering the fact PA bought Ex italian Pcs afew years ago the range of M109 can be a problem in Counter battery fire but that can be taken care of by MBRLs Gids makes extended range rockets with 45km range.

@iLION12345_1 is the ammo of M109 compatible with PLZ-45? It is 45.cal while M109 is 52.cal
Yes almost all chinese export SPHs are compatible with Nato Standard M-107 155MM HE rounds.SH-15s are also compatible with Nato standard rounds.
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Yep all M109 A variants use the 39cal gun only the original M109 used the 20 Caliber Gun the the difference between our M109s A2s and A5s is the Gun A5s use XM284 Gun which gives extended range compared to the M185 Gun on A2 the range of normal rounds increases from 18km to 22km and the range of HERA increases 23.5km to 30km.IMO the replacement of M109 will not come any time soon considering the fact PA bought Ex italian Pcs afew years ago the range of M109 can be a problem in Counter battery fire but that can be taken care of by MBRLs Gids makes extended range rockets with 45km range.

Yes almost all chinese export SPHs are compatible with Nato Standard M-107 155MM HE rounds.SH-15s are also compatible with Nato standard rounds.View attachment 816437
Thanks
 
Yep all M109 A variants use the 39cal gun only the original M109 used the 20 Caliber Gun the the difference between our M109s A2s and A5s is the Gun A5s use XM284 Gun which gives extended range compared to the M185 Gun on A2 the range of normal rounds increases from 18km to 22km and the range of HERA increases 23.5km to 30km.IMO the replacement of M109 will not come any time soon considering the fact PA bought Ex italian Pcs afew years ago the range of M109 can be a problem in Counter battery fire but that can be taken care of by MBRLs Gids makes extended range rockets with 45km range.

Yes almost all chinese export SPHs are compatible with Nato Standard M-107 155MM HE rounds.SH-15s are also compatible with Nato standard rounds.View attachment 816437
thnx ....

BTW do you have any knowledge or aware about the rumour related to the rest of Italian M-109L fleet which were on offer ... ???
 

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