Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Zarvan]

You mean the serbian and south African guns. no further news except that the serbian gun may have the inside track but with the defence collaboration agreement with RSA, things could change.

Yes exactly those ones well I am waiting for the decision to be made soon we should also work with South Africa in developing a 155 MM Towed Light Weight Artillery Gun

 

[fatman17]

Yes exactly those ones well I am waiting for the decision to be made soon we should also work with South Africa in developing a 155 MM Towed Light Weight Artillery Gun

It's a big order 400 to 500 guns so could take a while to decide.

 

[Arsalan]

Land Platforms

MKEK develops new SP artillery system

Christopher F Foss, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review

07 April 2017

Turkey's Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKEK) is developing a 155 mm self-propelled (SP) artillery system based on a 6x6 cross-country chassis.

Scale model of the Turkish 155 mm self-propelled artillery system, based on a 6x6 cross-country chassis, with stabiliser lowered at the rear. (Christopher F Foss)

The vehicle mounts the 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance taken from the MKEK Panter towed artillery system at its rear. Panter is in service with the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC).

The system has a gross vehicle weight of 20 tonnes and is powered by a diesel developing 473 hp coupled to an automatic transmission. This gives a maximum road speed of 60 km/h with a range of 600 km. The vehicle has a fully enclosed four-door forward control cab.

The 155 mm/52 calibre weapon is fitted with a muzzle brake with elevation and traverse being powered with manual back-up. Like other systems of this type, when deployed in the firing position a large spade is lowered at the rear.

The maximum range depends on the 155 mm projectile/charge combination. It is stated as being 39 km when firing the locally developed MKEK 155 mm high-explosive extended range (HE ER) Mod 274 projectile. This has a TNT filling and weighs 45.35 kg complete with lifting plug, and has a maximum muzzle velocity of 945 m/s.

When firing the older US 155 mm M107 HE projectile a maximum range of 18.5 km is claimed. It can also fire the 155 mm M549A1 HE rocket-assisted projectile (RAP) out to a claimed maximum range of 30 km.

A flick rammer is installed to increase the rate of fire and reduce crew fatigue. A maximum rate of fire of six 155 mm rounds per minute can be achieved.

MKEK (Mechanical and Chemical Industries Corporation) has extensive experience in the design, development, and production of barrels, including 105 mm and 120 mm tank barrels and 155 mm 39/calibre and 152/52 calibre artillery barrels. The latter are for the Panther 155 mm/52 calibre towed artillery system and Firtina 155 mm/52 calibre tracked SP artillery system used by the TLFC.

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I think we will keep our distance from the. The Turkish Panters responded poorly and unless there are huge improvements and everything is verified by trials and evaulation in the field, we will keep away from these.

For now the major interest is in the wheeled SPH and is likely to be followed by tracked ones. With no real option in light weight towed artillery that can be carried by OUR helicopter fleet this will take some more time. For tracked SPH, we are likely to look towards USA.

 

[Path-Finder]

So guys what happened to those trials which were taking place of Truck Mounted Artillery Guns ?

Hazrat which gun are you supporting? the Serbian.

Denel T5

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat which gun are you supporting? the Serbian.

Denel T5

I don't know it feels that moving Serbian Gun is a little difficult the way it's made but it depends on tests. South Africa has the issue of its truck being made by Indian company so I am a little confused here. But as South Africa has a bigger defence industry I think we may opt for South African one. I have no clue on this Which one you support or let say want to win ?

 

[Path-Finder]

I don't know it feels that moving Serbian Gun is a little difficult the way it's made but it depends on tests. South Africa has the issue of its truck being made by Indian company so I am a little confused here. But as South Africa has a bigger defence industry I think we may opt for South African one. I have no clue on this Which one you support or let say want to win ?

NO Hazrat its NOT indian truck its CZECH! Same country CZ comes from!!

http://www.tatratrucks.com/trucks/customer-segment-catalog/defence/

You got confused with TATA. its TATRA!!!

 

[Arsalan]

I don't know it feels that moving Serbian Gun is a little difficult the way it's made but it depends on tests. South Africa has the issue of its truck being made by Indian company so I am a little confused here. But as South Africa has a bigger defence industry I think we may opt for South African one. I have no clue on this Which one you support or let say want to win ?

Wel.... if i may.... the trucks are not made by India and there is this Czech option for trucks. TATRA.

 

[Zarvan]

NO Hazrat its NOT indian truck its CZECH! Same country CZ comes from!!

http://www.tatratrucks.com/trucks/customer-segment-catalog/defence/

You got confused with TATA. its TATRA!!!

Okay it was Indians who confused me than it depends on tests but the way Nora is designed I don't it has lots of chacnes and recent deal with South Africa also puts South African on front

 

[Path-Finder]

Okay it was Indians who confused me than it depends on tests but the way Nora is designed I don't it has lots of chacnes and recent deal with South Africa also puts South African on front

that's not the only confusion ahem!! Hazrat is there a source behind you claim that Denel is ahead of Nora? can you be clear on why Nora design is not suitable??

 

[Zarvan]

that's not the only confusion ahem!! Hazrat is there a source behind you claim that Denel is ahead of Nora? can you be clear on why Nora design is not suitable??

No that is my assumption but now I will try to find out what is happening with tests

 

[Path-Finder]

No that is my assumption but now I will try to find out what is happening with tests

Please do we are always looking forward to hear from your sources.

 

[Rocky rock]

You mean the serbian and south African guns. no further news except that the serbian gun may have the inside track but with the defence collaboration agreement with RSA, things could change.

i wish they select this one T5-52 155mm south african.

 

[Zarvan]

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i wish they select this one T5-52 155mm south african.

A friend just told me that a HIT delegation was recently in South Africa and visited Denel company also @Path-Finder but can't say whether it's selected or they were actually visiting for something else. I hope they also had MRAP in mind

 

[Path-Finder]

A friend just told me that a HIT delegation was recently in South Africa and visited Denel company also @Path-Finder but can't say whether it's selected or they were actually visiting for something else. I hope they also had MRAP in mind

We need MRAP's more urgently than artillery that is a fact. Combination of MRAP and Artillery is a win win situation so South Africa will have an edge on this.

 

[Zarvan]

We need MRAP's more urgently than artillery that is a fact. Combination of MRAP and Artillery is a win win situation so South Africa will have an edge on this.

Can't agree more these Toyota Trucks are death trap even a cracker results in death of our soldiers. We have lost so many lives due to stupid Toyota Trucks we need MRAP and South Africa makes best ones that is why USA comes to them for MRAP we should take at least two to three different MRAP with TOT from them. According to @Bilal Khan (Quwa) UAE boughts right of NIMR MRAP only in 60 million dollars