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They are made at peoples steel mills?True but the tank 125mm SBG are imported
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They are made at peoples steel mills?True but the tank 125mm SBG are imported
True but the tank 125mm SBG are imported
They are made at peoples steel mills?
No sir we did acquired some units of SH1 (can be conformed by SIPRI as well/not basing the argument on that alone. ) and Panter (the Turkish towed artillery) While the reviews of Panter have been exceptionally BAD the SH1 are just OK. The interest in these two new systems T5 and Nora B52 is because they both offer MUCH more than SH1 does (again, MRSI being one key feature here). Also there is a more than decent demand (500 units) so we are looking at all our options and that is how it should be.
Korkut is for AD duties obviously but i am not aware of that development. However about ALIT we are already operating LY-80 and FN series MANPADS.
Actually SH1, though not as good as predicted or hoped for are still working in a very limited number (this part i am sure about, the number is 36 i believe but not sure about this). Panter are reportedly getting rust (we bought a few of those as well, one example can be seen at artillery school Nowshera). Both turned out to be not up to the mark. The interested in new SPH is on a large part dependent on this fact as well as the fact that the new options come with lots of goodies and that we are looking for a very decent number so it means it is wise to reevaluate all the options.
MKEK Boran
No, it did not.
The first howitzer was handed over to the Nowshera-based School of Artillery in September 2007. ISPR Press Release said an MoU was signed with Turkey to co-produce the Panter.
Simulators were also acquired.
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/urunkatalog/
According to a 2013 Defense News article:
SIPRI reported direct purchase of 12 & local production of 60 Panter's.
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
Your info about SH-1 is wrong. SIPRI removed the SH-1 info (a year after it was added).
Well, I must ask. Is the rust news from a reliable source or not ?
Both were tested.
Reportedly,the SH-1 was tested in December 2007 in GB. Desert trials followed in June 2008. It was again tested in 2013-2014 & rejected (for the second time). No SH-1 was ordered.
Panter's are in service.
Good to see the Serb folks back into weapons manufacturing business!!! They were very good during Tito's time. Sorry to be back to the past!!!Serbia is developing ALAS and SPIDER missiles. ALAS is ground to ground, or sea to ground missile, and SPIDER can be also fired from the helicopters. You should know that MANPAD is short from MAN Portable Air Defense system. ALAS and SPIDER are not air defence systems. And they are not meant to be carried by a single soldier, both those rockets are to big for something like that.
Chinese copy of D301: M110 SPH 203mm
2: M109-A2 SPH 155mm
3: M-198 Howitzer 155mm
4: M114 Howitzer 155mm
5: Type 60 Howitzer 122mm
6: D-30 Howitzer 122mm
Certainly news to me but now that the steel mill is shut, it seems back to square one.Blanks were imported from france ... BUT HIT came up with an indigenous gun back in 2011:
http://www.hit.gov.pk/gun barrel 125mm.html
Gun Factory has the capability of producing barrels ranging 105mm to 203mm caliber. It has a long standing experience in manufacture of 105mm Gun Barrel for upgraded T-59 & T-69 IIMP tanks and 125mm Guns/Barrels for the ongoing programmes of Tank Al-Khalid and Al-Zarrar. The auto frettaged barrels are manufactured fro very high quality electro slag refined steel. Each barrel is processed through precision machining operations and subjected to stringten control parameters.
http://www.hit.gov.pk/gun-f.html
Gun Factory is an ISO certified factory which was established during 1992. Initially only 105 mm rifled bore tank gun barrel was machined in the factory but with enhancement of skill and absorption of modern state of the art technology Gun Factory is now capable to produce 125 mm smooth bore autofrettaged chrome plated tank gun.
Locally-produced gun delivered to HIT for tanks
FROM THE NEWSPAPERPUBLISHED APR 17, 2011 11:22PM
ISLAMABAD, April 17: The first locally-produced tank gun is ready for delivery to the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) for Al-Khalid and Al-Zarar tanks.
So far the HIT used to get 125 millimetre 'blanks' from France for the two main battle tanks (MBTs) of the Pakistan Army. Blanks are the final shape of the gun barrel prior to its finishing and its fitting into the tank is done at the HIT.
The first blank has been jointly produced at the Heavy Mechanical Complex (HMC) in Taxila by experts of the HIT, the Peoples Steel Mills Limited (PSML) of Karachi and other defence-related organisations, in coordination with the army -- the end-user.
An HIT official told Dawn that the army had given a go-ahead for the production of 50 125mm barrels for the two MBTs at the HMC after a joint team assured it of meeting strict standards.
According to sources, the army and the HIT wanted the barrels to fire at least eight rounds a minute, and for the automatic ammunition handling system, with 24-round ready-to-fire magazine of Al-Khalid tank.
The official said that the manufacturing of the first 125mm tank gun was an achievement of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) set up in 2000 to improve the control of nuclear operations and monitor and develop coordination among various defence production and research organisations in the country.
The specialised weapons grade steel was manufactured at the PSML and the block of metal was retreated at the HMC which has such facilities under the heavy forge and foundry section. The block of specialised metal is pressed to become a five-metre-long square bar that is forged into a smooth bore 125mm barrel.
The HMC also has specialised facilities of large vertical furnace where the blanks are given heat treatments several times. Since it was the first job for the HMC, experts from other defence organisations monitored the process which took almost two to three months to complete.
The HIT has finalised a deal Rs200 million for 50 barrels which is slightly less than the cost of each barrel procured from France.
The official said that after the completion of 50 tank barrels, the HMC would consider producing artillery guns for the Pakistan Army.
Al-Khalid is a product of a joint venture between Pakistan and China. It has been in use of the army since 2001. Al-Zarar is an upgradation of T-59 tanks. The new barrels are likely to be part of the project for upgraded variants of Al-Khalid II and III now under way at the HIT.
May be they did made those improvements, may be it was just our conditions that hampered the performance of Panters!!According to the Turkish media, Panter is already being put into action by the Turkish army. Have they made improvements since the ones available in Pak?
Teshekkurlar Arkadashim!! Relieved!!!
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@fatman17 @DESERT FIGHTER which artillery piece is this. It's a little hard to see. If I had to guess it looks a lot like the Panter.
Sir, sorry to contradict you but the barrels are being made in Pakistan for some years now. I am sure of at least 3 batches of 50 barrels each made at a factory in taxila. That is when dad retired and we moved to Faisalabad. So while i cannot vouch for on going production but i can confirm that they were being made in Pakistan and it is likely that they still are.True but the tank 125mm SBG are imported
You mean the serbian and south African guns. no further news except that the serbian gun may have the inside track but with the defence collaboration agreement with RSA, things could change.So guys what happened to those trials which were taking place of Truck Mounted Artillery Guns ?