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Pakistan’s army is building an arsenal of ”tiny” nuclear weapons—and it’s going to backfire

In your dreams. India is no Israel, They will have a cup of tea with us :coffee: :coffee: and say "What took you so long?"

Dream along. Nuclear threshold is the Lakshman Rekha. Cross it and face consequences.
Pakista

In your dreams. India is no Israel, They will have a cup of tea with us :coffee: :coffee: and say "What took you so long?"

Try it. Nuclear threshold is the Lakshman Rekha. Cross it and see the consequences.
Pakistan will cease to be a country as article mentions. India will still survive with respect to its large area and population.
 
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Dream along. Nuclear threshold is the Lakshman Rekha. Cross it and face consequences.
Pakista



Try it. Nuclear threshold is the Lakshman Rekha. Cross it and see the consequences.
Pakistan will cease to be a country as article mentions. India will still survive with respect to its large area and population.

In nuclear strike , Pakistan only has to decimate a few of the main indian cities and military bases ... most of the indians , the 650 million are not our concern , they don't even have toilets what harm can they do to tus.
 
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1st these NASAR batteries need to come in the proximity of advancing brigade which will be protected by IAF and attack helicopters not to mention MRBL SMERCH (90 Km range) Pinaka -2 (60 Km) and worst will be CBU-105 (U.S. firm Textron Defense Systems has begun deliveries of 512 CBU-105 sensor fuzed munitions to India)

In nuclear strike , Pakistan only has to decimate a few of the main indian cities and military bases ... most of the indians , the 650 million are not our concern , they don't even have toilets what harm can they do to tus.

and then watch them going to toilet with 36 hoors as Pakistan will be wiped from the Earth
 
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In nuclear strike , Pakistan only has to decimate a few of the main indian cities and military bases ... most of the indians , the 650 million are not our concern , they don't even have toilets what harm can they do to tus.

Doesnt matter. Less than 30 year back my family was living in a remote village. And its still remote. Now we are living in a city. They will always make an transition. 75% of population live in towns and villages and we will still survive.

Pakistan has 80% population in Punjab alone. we need to target that state only.
 
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AT PRESENT BOTH COUNTRY ARE IN SAME SHIT

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India's nuclear weapons weren't against China although that was/ is the cover story. To figure out motives behind their ambitions one has to go back and read the statements coming out of India immediately after the test till Pakistan conducted its own. There was no mention of China in those statements and it focused on two points only 1) India has gained its rightful status in world's community 2) Pakistan will stand annihilated if it does not go into submission immediately.

With rise of nationalistic BJP, India felt they won't get any respect in the world unless they go nuclear. Nuclear weapons were used as means to attain a status. There wasn't any real threat to them. Status was to be used as an assertive (read hegemonic) regional policeman and then a global player. Pakistan stands in the way of regional policing and has to be forced into submission. You won't believe how the hurled naked threats of invasion immediately after their tests until they shut up when we tested ours. China was never mentioned in their threats. They know China won't attack them nor do they stand any chance against China.

Tactical nukes is a pain which India will face for a long time to come. Obviously if India doesn't invade Pakistan, there is no reason to be threatened by tactical nukes. So why such pain? Because they intend to and Nasr kills this option. Nasr is a weapon of mercy as it gives millions of civillians one more chance to live and puts onus to start a large scale nuclear exchange back on India instead of Pakistan. No matter what the rhetoric, fact will always remain that 1) India invaded 2)Pakistan used restricted nuclear force on invading military (not civilian population) 3) India had the option of avoiding nuclear destruction of several millions but did not do that. Rhetoric of 'we will consider any nuclear attack as full nuclear and respond massively' has little weight in serious circles and is primarily aimed at coercing Pakistan into not destroying aggressive Indian invaders. They also want the world to come to their help by pressurising Pakistan on tactical nukes. One frequent omission you wil find in their threat of massive response is Pakistan is fully capable of massive response as well. When naval arm of our nuclear forces goes operational, there will remain no doubt in anyone's head that Pakistan's ability to respond will remain intact under any circumstances. No amount of ABM umbrella can give an assured defence against submarine launched nukes which can attack anywhere given size of Indian Ocean around Indian coastline. Such blabbering is going to increase with time. We should remain focus and keep doing what we have to do in order to protect our freedom and sovereignty.
Why don't they stand any chance against China? Also if Bharat wants greater power regionally and globally she would (eventually) have to counter China (of course after dealing with Pakistan)?

Doesnt matter. Less than 30 year back my family was living in a remote village. And its still remote. Now we are living in a city. They will always make an transition. 75% of population live in towns and villages and we will still survive.

Pakistan has 80% population in Punjab alone. we need to target that state only.
Perhaps Pakistan should think of spreading out its population and building new towns in different provinces. Also 80% is a bit too high, more like 50-60%.
 
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Why don't they stand any chance against China? Also if Bharat wants greater power regionally and globally she would (eventually) have to counter China (of course after dealing with Pakistan)?


Perhaps Pakistan should think of spreading out its population and building new towns in different provinces. Also 80% is a bit too high, more like 50-60%.

Spreading out a population is always good. Not for military. But for making development uniform and keeping pressure of cities.
 
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Why don't they stand any chance against China? Also if Bharat wants greater power regionally and globally she would (eventually) have to counter China (of course after dealing with Pakistan)?

India- China ki chinta mat karo 1967 & 1987 ke baad unko bhi samaj aa gaya hai ( At present China is so much involve in East Vietnam Sea/ South China Sea, at least for next two decades Indo-China Border will be quite)

Cho La incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1987 Sino-Indian skirmish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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India's nuclear weapons weren't against China although that was/ is the cover story. To figure out motives behind their ambitions one has to go back and read the statements coming out of India immediately after the test till Pakistan conducted its own. There was no mention of China in those statements and it focused on two points only 1) India has gained its rightful status in world's community 2) Pakistan will stand annihilated if it does not go into submission immediately.

With rise of nationalistic BJP, India felt they won't get any respect in the world unless they go nuclear. Nuclear weapons were used as means to attain a status. There wasn't any real threat to them. Status was to be used as an assertive (read hegemonic) regional policeman and then a global player. Pakistan stands in the way of regional policing and has to be forced into submission. You won't believe how the hurled naked threats of invasion immediately after their tests until they shut up when we tested ours. China was never mentioned in their threats. They know China won't attack them nor do they stand any chance against China.

Tactical nukes is a pain which India will face for a long time to come. Obviously if India doesn't invade Pakistan, there is no reason to be threatened by tactical nukes. So why such pain? Because they intend to and Nasr kills this option. Nasr is a weapon of mercy as it gives millions of civillians one more chance to live and puts onus to start a large scale nuclear exchange back on India instead of Pakistan. No matter what the rhetoric, fact will always remain that 1) India invaded 2)Pakistan used restricted nuclear force on invading military (not civilian population) 3) India had the option of avoiding nuclear destruction of several millions but did not do that. Rhetoric of 'we will consider any nuclear attack as full nuclear and respond massively' has little weight in serious circles and is primarily aimed at coercing Pakistan into not destroying aggressive Indian invaders. They also want the world to come to their help by pressurising Pakistan on tactical nukes. One frequent omission you wil find in their threat of massive response is Pakistan is fully capable of massive response as well. When naval arm of our nuclear forces goes operational, there will remain no doubt in anyone's head that Pakistan's ability to respond will remain intact under any circumstances. No amount of ABM umbrella can give an assured defence against submarine launched nukes which can attack anywhere given size of Indian Ocean around Indian coastline. Such blabbering is going to increase with time. We should remain focus and keep doing what we have to do in order to protect our freedom and sovereignty.


I remember those days of May 1998 really well. I also remember many leading indian politicians, scientists and military experts saying that Pakistan HAS NOT and NEVER EVER will possess nuclear weapons and that india should launch an invasion of Pakistan. I will never forget that. And who can remember the uproar and furore in the indian parliament the day Pakistan tested the nukes and the confirmation from the americans. That's why I and many others can never believe anything an indian says about Pakistan. Out of all the races on earth, indians are the most corrupt, dishonest and most prone to lying and giving highly inaccurate information.
 
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I remember those days of May 1998 really well. I also remember many leading indian politicians, scientists and military experts saying that Pakistan HAS NOT and NEVER EVER will possess nuclear weapons and that india should launch an invasion of Pakistan. I will never forget that. And who can remember the uproar and furore in the indian parliament the day Pakistan tested the nukes and the confirmation from the americans. That's why I and many others can never believe anything an indian says about Pakistan. Out of all the races on earth, indians are the most corrupt, dishonest and most prone to lying and giving highly inaccurate information.
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It's Not 1971 when IN don't had single recon planes, and that Tench Class was fooled by brilliant naval strategy so it's she turn her course towards Vizak and it was trapped & destroyed (which stupid source told you why it was miles away from it's target INS Vikrant) . You had most advance sub in the region that time but now your subs don't stand chance as maritime patrol and reconnaissance operations are carried out by the Boeing P-8 Poseidon, the Tupolev 142 and the Ilyushin 38 added with 26 Corvettes.

You are boasting so much on three subs but what about 2 operational Nuke Subs already one tasted with K-15 & K-4 missiles, Other will handed for sea trail in mid-2016 (3 more to fallow of Arihant class), 6 scorpion class (6 more are under discussion)


Oh! you remember INS Khukri but forgot losses of PN
1,900 Killed in action, 413 captured (POW), 2 Destroyers, Minesweeper,Submarine,3 Patrol vessels,7 Gunboats,18 Cargo, Supply and Communication ships,3 Merchant Navy ships captured, 10 small vessels captured, Widespread damage to Chittagong Harbour, Pakistani main port Karachi facilities damaged/fuel tanks destroyed.

It is very pathetic to see Indians who still live in lala land about the sinking of PNS Ghazi. Sad day for you sir. Read a non Indian source for a change.

Anyway, my point was that we can target any place in India without any problems, so stop living in your delusional world of self grandeur where India is a suppa pawa and Pakistan is ity bity Gaza. If you can hit us, so can we, and at a time and place of our choosing.

BTW, its common knowledge that nuke subs are much more noisy compared to SSKs. So your subs will be relatively easier to detect for our P3C Orions. And your 26 Corvettes should hold on for dear life because JF17s & Mirage III/5s will be firing 150km anti ship CM400AKGs, C802s, Harpoons, & Exocets etc. You can't even come close to our coastal waters with your surface vessels. Its not 1971 anymore. Stop living in the past and come to reality.

who said to you Missile system will be on those 34 island and do you have 35 Shaheen -3 missiles and which idiot is going to tell you strategic locations 3000 km away from Pakistan mainland ( Oh! big daddy China, which leaks the tape of Mussaraf during Kargil)
You might have a daddy daughter relationship with Russian but Pakistan and China enjoy brotherly relations. When you call China our daddy, you are doing nothing but self projection. Look it up.

Chinese satellites will be our key to your secret military sites in A&N, other than our own SIGINT & HUMINT. Its pretty good :agree:. And as I've said already, since everyone says we will be 3rd after US and Russia in nukes, then we'll easily nuke all 350 Islands, if need be. You will never know the amount of our strategic missiles. That's classified. But rest assured that they are enough to wipe out the Indian civilization from the face of the earth for good. That's what we aim for in a final total nuclear war with your country.

Current force
272 MKI (220 at present) these elephant size plane forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars & ELTA El/M-8222 Self Protection Pod is a power-managed jammer for that you had only 18 F-16 block 50+ which can track it from fair distance + 69 Mig 29 (UPG) + 51 Mirage 2000 (UPG) = 340 + 40 Mig 29K (5 more to come)+ 9 LCA ( 120 conform order) = 399 at present ( 155 on order) Not taking in PAF-FA, Naval LCA, Rafale, etc.

Mig -21 245 (175 Mig bis can eat your mirage, F-7 these had given hard time USAF in Cope India ) + 145 Jags not counting Mig 27
First of all, your 220 elephant size RCS fighters are almost useless considering that they suffer from poor serviceability of just around 55% according to your CAG report. They suffer from technical problems in the fly-by-wire systems and radar warning receivers. It means they probably won't even know about the danger before the SD-10 or AMRAAM 120 C5 hits.:-)

Front-line fighter Su-30 MKI flies with flaws

...In addition, the fly-by-wire system has poor “reliability index” adversely affecting the stability, controllability, flight safety and flight control of these jets.... Hardly impressive.:no:

...Current active fighter squadrons (35) is seven below the sanctioned strength of 42. and according to your own air force, by 2022, it will have around just 25 squadrons thereby losing even the slight edge over rival neighboring nation
.... Hardly convincing.:no:

And on top of all that, your sanctioned strength for combat pilots is less than ours. 1:0.81 to our 1:2.5. Which means even though you may have more aircrafts, we'll be the ones flying more number of sorties in war.:lol:

The Indian Air Force’s Big Problem: Not Enough Pilots! | The Diplomat

And anyway, if this elephant size RCS Su30MKI tries to enter Pakistan for a mission, it would be picked up before it gets close to 500 km of our border due to our AWACS. End of story for super dupper radar MKI radar. Our planes could even turn off their radar and rely on AWACS's radar with data linking to wait for an appropriate time. You enter, you die. Simple as that.

BTW, even JF-17 has carries a BM/KG300G self protection pod with DRFM technology. Not much you can do here. JF-17 block 3 will also have an AESA radar, IRST & HMD with 5th gen HOBS WVR missile . IRST combined with cover of AESA AWACS + SD-10 + AMRAAM 120 C5 is deadly for anything India can throw at us.

Mig21s will crash their selves out before any war starts. Don't even bring them into the conversation. The reason they did well in US was because of their small size. We have equally small sized F7PGs and they do well in exercises due to the same reasons, and our Mirage III/5 are in great shape to face Mig21s as well, numbering in at 157 and 185 aircrafts respectively. And they even carry R-Darter BVR missiles. So don't you worry at all.:no:

SAMS

S-125 Neva/Pechora, Akash Missile, SPYDER SAM, TUNGUSKA, OSA, S-300 ,(S-400, BARAK -ER in next 2-3 years.), Supported by 2 Green Pine Radar range 600 km, 3 Swordfish - 1500 km and other long range radar system.

Which long distance Radar system PAF had capable enough to track IAF movement, India will have more 32 land based system ( tracking range 400-600 Km) AWACS will be first target by attacking force ( for each AWACS you need to deploy at least 4 Fighters in escort role)
I don't know what you're smoking to even ask this, but PAF has several ground based long range radars like 470km AN/FPS-117 etc. Read this. Comparative analysis of radar tech of Pakistan and India

Soviet rust-bucket S-125 Neva/Pechora missile range 35 km, DRDO 'invention' Akash missile range 30 km, SPYDER MR missile range 35km, TUNGUSKA missile range 10km, OSA missile range 15km will be taken care of by MAR-1s range 100km, CM-102s range 100km and AGM-88 HARMs range 150km. All you can do with your super dupper non operational 1500 km radar is watch us fire anti radiation missiles from JF-17s, Mirage IIIs & F-16s from a distance of up-to 150 km before returning home and the real strike package arrive right after this SEAD mission.:agree:

And BTW, before the arrival of the above SEAD package, we'll first cause complete destruction of your air bases, runways, possible SAM sites, barracks, command & control centers, weapon & ammunition depots etc. with LACM Babur range 700km, ALCM Raad range 350km and GB-6 Stealth Air-Launched Standoff Submunition Dispenser Precision Guided Weapon range 130km etc. etc. You're invited to watch this on your 'pie in the sky' non operational 1500 km radar, if you can!!:lol:

We see everything that goes on about 500 km in India with our 8 AESA AWACS Erieyes and ZDK-03s & AN/FPS-117 etc. The rest we see though our access to Chinese military satellites. You can not hide and you cannot run and you cannot surprise us. Even Andaman and Nicobar islands can't save you.:no:

As far as S-400 and its older variants are concerned, do you think we sit on our asses all day and get intimidated by all the shiny new toys India gets from daddy Russia? Well, think again beta cuz we develop strategies and acquire technologies to counter these threats. Right now, as I'm writing this, many of PAF pilots are deputed in Turkey and China flying their F-16s and SU30MKKs under their flags, learning from their experiences and sharing our own, of opening a can of whop assess on IAF all these decades. I assure you that we have intimate knowledge of S-300s from Turkey's daily incursions into Greek airspace and messing with their S-300 batteries. In fact, I'm sure some PAF pilots have themselves flown Turkish F-16s into one of these sniffing missions. S-300 is not something new for us, we know its weaknesses & strategies on how to counter it. Its old news.:lol:

Similarly, we will know all the strengths and weaknesses of S-400 through our boys deputed in China flying their Su30MKKs, probably even before India receives its first S-400 battery. We'll probably be flying mock missions in S-400 territory along with our Chinese brethren facing their Su30MKKs when you'll be paying your Russians daddy billions of $$$ for your copies :lol:. So this randi rona about S-300/400 doesn't impress us at all, go try this somewhere else.:disagree:

1st these NASAR batteries need to come in the proximity of advancing brigade which will be protected by IAF and attack helicopters not to mention MRBL SMERCH (90 Km range) Pinaka -2 (60 Km) and worst will be CBU-105 (U.S. firm Textron Defense Systems has begun deliveries of 512 CBU-105 sensor fuzed munitions to India)
Before this, we'll fry your brains with 300 mm A-100 MRL with a range of 120km with SLC-2 artillery locating radars and GB-6 sub-munition dispensers with a range of 130km. End of story for Indian invasion dreams.
 
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It's all India fault to make region on nuclear threat and now giant baby crying as usual. Well, you start it and we finish it:coffee:
 
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Disregard this stupid article. CHRISTINE FAIR got kicked a out of Pakistan long ago and now she just talk shit since than.

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