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Pakistan's Ahmadis battle mob and state for identity

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Aey lo ji marey tey lai chadiya kufar na fatwa
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App tu Muslim hien abhi kufr ka fatwa laghanay walay ko kalima padhna chahiye kisi alim ke samnay air mithai bantey phir se Muslim honey ki. Jab aik Muslim dosray Muslim ko kafir kahay aor woh ho na tu ilzaam laghanay wala kafir ho jata hey... Walallah ho alam

Pakistanis must attack and kill more Ahmedis, they are a threat to Pakistan just like the Hindooos. Ahmed is actually a sect of Hinduism and Ahmedis worship Lord Krishna.
Claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How can a Muslim worship a pagan god??
Oo bhai rehney do you don't know this matter why you inviting ban pls stay away or learn it first.
 
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Quote: "Islamic Terrorism" or do you really mean "Islam is Terrorism"?... If you think about it not much difference between the two.

Either it is a nonsensical oxymoron, or it is subliminal. :)
I mean 'Islamic terrorism', as in, terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam, justified by perverted interpretations of the Quran and hadith.

There is a world of difference between 'Islamic terrorism' & 'Islam is terrorism'.

There is no intolerance in our beloved country. Do we stop women from wearing Nikab? NO! Do we have anti-Muslim sentiments? No! Does our media highlight someones religion when a crime is committed? NO! I don't know where you are but it seems like your fed with a lot of anti-Pakistan propaganda.
Do we have laws under which the police tear down Ahmadi mosques or parts of the structure of Ahmadi mosques because the structures look like 'mosques'? Yes.

Do we force Ahamdis to declare themselves 'non-Muslim'? Yes. Do we imprison people merely because of allegations that they committed blasphemy under the perverted blasphemy laws? Yes.

Do we legally prevent non-Muslims from becoming the head of State? Yes.

We have institutionalized intolerance and discrimination, and created classified non-Muslims and Ahmadis as an 'inferior and lower class of people'. Our Ulema and lawyers are out there defending and celebrating the murder and terrorism of innocents over cartoons and calls for 'reforming blasphemy laws'. If you can't see all this hatred and intolerance right in front of you, then you only further validate my point that it is attitudes such as yours that form the basis of terrorist ideologies like those of ISIS, AQ, TTP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.
The law in question harms no one and it is there to protect the qadiyyani community from discrimination.
The law in question forces the beliefs of others onto Ahmadis, forces them to declare themselves as non-Muslim, forces them to not call their places of worship masjid or themselves Muslims. It is a law that enforces prejudice, hatred, discrimination and helps in permeating those attitudes throughout society.

Your argument is the equivalent of the Nazi's saying that their pogroms were to 'help protect the Jews from discrimination'.
If you truly believe that then lets join hands and change the nizamal-kuffar to sharia. Agreed?
We can 'join hands' in raising our voices to change specific laws and policies in Pakistan that are morally repugnant, such as repealing the anti-Ahmadi laws and Blasphemy laws. I have no interest in supporting your so called 'Shariah' without specifics on the structure of government, laws etc. The TTP and ISIS also claim to be 'enforcing Shariah', and we all know what kind of degenerate and evil system they support and have implemented.
You seem to be stuck on calling terrorism ''Islamic'', why? Is their Jewish terrorism? Is their Hindu terrorism? Is their Christian terrorism?
Yes, all those forms of terrorism exist.
So you support the demonizing of nabi as'salaathu was'salaam, right?
I support the freedom of speech to draw 'cartoons' or make jokes and comments as seen fit. I am not so insecure and mentally deranged that a mere cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed or comment against him would make me want to kill the individual or support those threatening and killing such individuals.
There is no compulsion in Islam.
That is precisely why I support a repeal of the blasphemy laws and anti-Ahmadi laws - there should be no compulsion on those drawing cartoons of Muhammad (PBUH) or on Ahmadis wishing to call themselves Muslim and their faith Islam.
Let Donald Trump give you your rights!
He's another deranged individual like some of our Mullah's in Pakistan - the difference is that the US does not have institutionalized discrimination like the anti-Ahmadi laws, at this point in time, whereas Pakistan does.
 
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THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF SUNNI PAKISTANIS....they are born islamic terrrorists...shame on Pakistan and Sunni Pakistanis
This comment isn't really any better than those supporting anti-Ahmadi laws - derogatory generalizations about all Sunni Pakistanis are irrational and incorrect, and serve no purpose other than inflaming and hijacking the discussion.
 
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This comment isn't really any better than those supporting anti-Ahmadi laws - derogatory generalizations about all Sunni Pakistanis are irrational and incorrect, and serve no purpose other than inflaming and hijacking the discussion.


Now u know there are extremists on both sides...
 
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Now u know there are extremists on both sides...
Perhaps, but only one set of extremists has managed to get morally repugnant and intolerant anti-Ahmadi and Blasphemy laws implemented in Pakistan - it is that set of extremists which is responsible for ideology such as that of ISIS, AQ, TTP, LeJ, and therefore that set of extremists that needs to be countered first.
 
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if you repeal murder laws, bereaved people will have no choice to take the revenge them self...

same is for blasphemy laws....
its not that it will go un punished....
be carefull what you wish for....

apply the law fairly....
 
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Racism or discrimination in Pakistan is not on high scale though. They shouldn't leave, but learn to respect the beliefs of others. I agree one shouldn't attack on anyone because of blasphemy. They should report of it rather taking an action on their own.
A non-muslims cannot become President of the country. An Ahmedi cannot call himself muslim. In your eyes, discrimination is less only because the population of non-muslims is less. To have equality before the law means each and everyone should be equal, not based on any markers they are born with or believe in.
 
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By Pakistani law Ahmadis are non Muslims and Ahmadis should accept they are non Muslims. Then they can live peacefully in Pakistan.
 
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if you repeal murder laws, bereaved people will have no choice to take the revenge them self...

same is for blasphemy laws....
its not that it will go un punished....
be carefull what you wish for....

apply the law fairly....
Murder is a situation in which tangible physical harm is done to another person.

Blasphemy is a situation in which someone writes, says, draws, types something that you don't like.

The two cannot be compared - support for blasphemy laws is equivalent to an admission that you are insecure in your faith and beliefs and incapable of defending your position. IF you don't like what someone says, ignore it, if you can't argue against it.
 
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Murder is a situation in which tangible physical harm is done to another person.

Blasphemy is a situation in which someone writes, says, draws, types something that you don't like.

The two cannot be compared - support for blasphemy laws is equivalent to an admission that you are insecure in your faith and beliefs and incapable of defending your position. IF you don't like what someone says, ignore it, if you can't argue against it.


With blasphmy law, only the culprit is punished....
Without it his whole family may b even comunity will vanish...
What do u think people of pakistan need a law when it comes to blasphemy..??
For Most muslims of pakistan; vast majority of them , their faith is dear to them more than their lives....
 
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@AgNoStiC MuSliM People in Pakistan don't trust Ahmadis. They are thought of as fifth column. A Pakistani version of Klu Klux Klan or to quote a recent example a Pakistani version of David Koresh's cult. Some people probably want Ahmadis to meet a similar fate. How do you deal with such subversive sections in a society ?
 
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With blasphmy law, only the culprit is punished....
Why should anyone be punished for drawing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad or making comments against him? Are you this insecure and emotionally imbalanced that you need to punish other people merely for saying, drawing or typing something?
Without it his whole family may b even comunity will vanish...
Then we need to pass laws and start jailing people who call for murder and instigate murder against such communities accused of blasphemy.

The problem is not with committing blasphemy, it is with attitudes that support murder and massacres and violence in the name of 'defending the Prophet'. If people cannot tolerate cartoons and comments against the prophet, then these people need to be committed to a psychiatric hospital.
For Most muslims of pakistan; vast majority of them , their faith is dear to them more than their lives....
Keep faith dear to yourself, but don't force others to follow it and don't force others to restrict their speech because of your own insecurities and intolerance.

The Muslim world is in the backward and regressive position it is today because of such attitudes.
 
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Why should anyone be punished for drawing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad or making comments against him? Are you this insecure and emotionally imbalanced that you need to punish other people merely for saying, drawing or typing something?

Then we need to pass laws and start jailing people who call for murder and instigate murder against such communities accused of blasphemy.

The problem is not with committing blasphemy, it is with attitudes that support murder and massacres and violence in the name of 'defending the Prophet'. If people cannot tolerate cartoons and comments against the prophet, then these people need to be committed to a psychiatric hospital.

Keep faith dear to yourself, but don't force others to follow it and don't force others to restrict their speech because of your own insecurities and intolerance.

The Muslim world is in the backward and regressive position it is today because of such attitudes.


I rest my case....
 
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