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Pakistan's Ahmadis battle mob and state for identity

By Pakistani law Ahmadis are non Muslims and Ahmadis should accept they are non Muslims. Then they can live peacefully in Pakistan.

There is a problem with this argument, Ahmadis aren't just ordinary kafir in their eyes, we are the worst type, in fact we are apostates according to extremists, so apostates deserve death according to some section of Muslims.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM people in Pakistan don't trust Ahmadis. They are thought of as fifth column. A Pakistani version of Klu Klux Klan or to quote a recent example a Pakistani version of David Koresh's cult. They probably want it too end the same way. How do you deal with such sections in society ?

4 Million Ahmadis in Pakistan aren't going to disappear over night, however there were rumours Zia ul Haq had a special plan for us(something along the lines of Holocaust).
 
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Ahmadis want to be called muslims...and also want to do blasphemy....and what else???

Oh yes disband military...
Merge back with india...
Be loyal servants of west...

Hmmmmm
What else??

Oh sory yes....
Pakistani government shud turn its guns on 180 million muslim citizens to protect 0 5 million qadiyanis right to blasphemy....

Great stuff
 
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Ahmadis want to be called muslims...and also want to do blasphemy....and what else???

Oh yes disband military...
Merge back with india...
Be loyal servants of west...

Hmmmmm
What else??

Oh sory yes....
Pakistani government shud turn its guns on 180 million muslim citizens to protect 0 5 million qadiyanis right to blasphemy....

Great stuff

Wah, zabardast. You're qualifed grade 10 Terrorist, Grade 11 takes you to becoming a full fledge nut bag with guns trying to kill Ahmadis.

Let me teach you something you little plonker.

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Law on blasphemy should remain but should be applied equally to all....
There can be high level review committees to ensure fair treatment of the accused...

False allegations shud result in severe punishment...

I firmly believe this is the way forward....
 
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Merge back with india...


Great stuff
correct yourself as ahmadias were were at the forefront of pakistan movement apart from shiyas,hindustani musalman and Bangalis.
 
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I think calling sensible people terrorists; cause they just dont agree with your extreeeeeemely ridiclous stand on issues should also be treated as blaspheny:D
 
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Ahmadis want to be called muslims...and also want to do blasphemy....and what else???
Blasphemy doesn't physically or tangibly hurt anyone, your other examples below, do.

Oh yes disband military...
This would leave the State susceptible to foreign and internal (from the likes of religious terrorists like the TTP, LeJ, Qadri and others like the BLA, BRA, etc), so it cannot be done.

Merge back with india...

We were part of the colony of British India, which no longer exists, so 'merging back with India' is a false statement and not possible. In addition, merging with India would subject the citizens of Pakistan to tangible potential harm at the hands of the majority, as can be seen under Modi today. So this cannot be supported either.

Be loyal servants of west...
Why should we do that?

Hmmmmm
What else??

You mean you've actually run out of imbecilic and totally irrelevant excuses and comparisons to make?

Oh sory yes....
Pakistani government shud turn its guns on 180 million muslim citizens to protect 0 5 million qadiyanis right to blasphemy....

All 180 million Pakistani citizens are not insecure and mentally unstable that they cannot even tolerate a few cartoons and comments critical of the Prophet Muhammad. It's only the fringe minority that threatens mob violence and spreads prejudice and intolerance that needs to be controlled.

You really have no idea how ridiculous, intolerant and hate-filled your comments are do you? You and people like you with these kinds of views are the reason why Islam has such a horrible reputation in the world right now and why people laugh in our faces when we say 'religion of peace'. Here you are supporting laws that discriminate and force Ahmadis into second class status and prevent them from practicing their faith as they see fit, and yet you want the world to think that Islam is 'a religion of peace and equality'.

In what perverted universe are anti-Ahmadi laws and blasphemy laws an example of 'equality, peace and no compulsion in religion'?
 
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There is a problem with this argument.....


4 Million Ahmadis in Pakistan aren't going to disappear over night, however there were rumours Zia ul Haq had a special plan for us(something along the lines of Holocaust).
Source please or were they just rumours?
 
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A non-muslims cannot become President of the country. An Ahmedi cannot call himself muslim. In your eyes, discrimination is less only because the population of non-muslims is less. To have equality before the law means each and everyone should be equal, not based on any markers they are born with or believe in.

It's a Muslim country and its self explanatory that the president should be a Muslim. Majority rule you know. Who says an Ahmedi can't call himself a Muslim?
 
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@ all qadiyani friends...

U can shout and try to repeal these laws.... for 1000 years....and it wont happen....
Call me untolerant.... fine

Tell me in what preverted universe you actually see this happening??

Come back to reality....

As per west laughing at us....let them...
We laughed for an extended period of time...now they are laughing...
Let them...
Its our country and unfortunately we do what we like....

We can talk about more realistic goal of fair implimentation....no but than i am a terrorist....
Keep crying ... u guys lost a lot of sympathy today
 
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well Pakistan should be declare as Secular state .. for Ahmadi and other Muslims it a eternal Battle which will never be end until one party perish .. as for State, even Pakistan army or the world entire force cant be stop this mentality and thought provocation .. what right for us be right for others, what's right for others can be wrong for us ..

let people have their own faith , anyone wants to believe in Ahmadiya sect , he/she should be free to do so , without mocking the other sects , if Sunni or Shia disagree with Ahmadiya, than they can disagree with them without killing them ..

If Prophet can live in a same city with Jews and Christians , than i guess we ( Sunni, Shia , Ahmadiya , Agha khani and so on ) can live in same country without cutting each other throats ..
but its nothing but a fools man dream ..
 
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It's a Muslim country and its self explanatory that the president should be a Muslim. Majority rule you know. Who says an Ahmedi can't call himself a Muslim?
You actually gave a very nice example to me how majority rule cannot be same as democracy. Pakistan is also a Sunni majority country, same logic should apply for that as well.
Well philosophicaly an Ahmedi can call himself or herself as Muslim, but then have to watch his/her back all life. Legally they will end up in jail. You can see enough people in PDF who will agree with me.
 
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We can talk about more realistic goal of fair implimentation....no but than i am a terrorist....
Keep crying ... u guys lost a lot of sympathy today
The people losing sympathy are the intolerant hate-mongering fools like you.

I myself am from a Shia+Sunni mixed family and the majority of my family members in Pakistan, especially the younger ones, do not support anti-Ahmadi laws or blasphemy laws. As the threat of violent religious extremism by Mullahs and Madrassa graduates is clamped down upon, you'll see more and more people speak up against these indefensible and hateful laws.
 
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