Pakistan's Ahmadis battle mob and state for identity

[Mutakalim]

probably he is an ahmadi thats why he is saying that! Allah Kareem knows better!
but such shameless campaigns by ahamdis are nothing but their efforts to create bad image of Pakistan. They are enjoying some higher positions in Pakistan as well as they are being entertained by their mother UK which created them during British Raj in sub-continent!

It was the ahamdi/qadyani gang which first attacked the train of Nishtar Medical College students on rabwah station. Those students were going on a trip to northern areas. History is loud and clear about badmashi of ahamdis wherever they enjoyed little bit of power in Pakistan.

Dr Ehsan Bari, a famous fighter against fitnah e qadyani is a living account of that historical battle when all Muslim sects joined hands to uncover the real face of qadyanis. All shia, sunni, wahabi, deobandi ulema joined hands in this famous war and alhamdulilah the point proven on every forum after which qadyanis were declared the most na-Pak kafirs.

What is your opinion about my signature?

 

[Ghazwa e Hind]

What is your opinion about my signature?

MashaAllah, your point is 100% true. We should spread the teachings of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Brelvi (r.a). His teachings are sahih Islam.

 

[Mutakalim]

MashaAllah, your point is 100% true. We should spread the teachings of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Brelvi (r.a). His teachings are sahih Islam.

Ordinary people who don't have access to internet doesn't appreciate this reality. They will when this fitnah will haunt them in their homes.

 

[adeelnK]

Pakistan is one of the worlds least racist countries and one of the most religiously intolerant!

This has got to stop! You don't agree with their beliefs? Okay fine, but that doesn't give you the right to kill them or even harm them in any way! Our people are sick in the head. Necessary steps to promote tolerance must be taken soon.

 

[darksider]

Funny Christians can say Salam and Pakistanis love how Britney Spears was seen holding the Quran and converted to Islam but can see an Ahmdi holding a Quran, funny thing is the Quran Britney was holding was an English translation published by ahmadiyya Muslim community.

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Bhai app b Quran parak saktey hain koi roke ga nahi.salam b keh saktey no problem par app ko Muslim nahi keh saktey.
every shia sunni wahabi devbandi barelvi naqshbandi is Muslim because they follow khatam e nabuwat and towheed.
App khatam e nabuwat ko nahi mantey tu app kesey Muslim hain?
App ko minorities ka tamam rights milne chahye.freedom religious rituals education business you have every right but you are minority so don't try to cheat others with saying you are Muslim.
One more thing I saw some where in your books it's written that non qadyanis are not muslims.you guys think about us as rah e raast sey bathkey howey.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Same declaration you have to sign before ISSB

ECLARATION : I solemnly declare that I believe that Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is the last Prophet of Allah and there is and was no prophet after him. I have firm faith in Islam and I am not the follower of any such person who claims to be a prophet or religions reformer after Hazrat Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon him). I do not belong to Qadiani Group or Lahori Group nor I am called Ahmadi.

 

[pak-marine]

He doesn't realize he will be under the hammer for practicing Shirk by the very same ppl down the line...

Practising shirk .. was that a fatwa , opinion or .. !? and yes correct he may only realise than .. hope never though

 

[Winchester]

Practising shirk .. was that a fatwa , opinion or .. !? and yes correct he may only realise than .. hope never though

Not my opinion
And lets face it with the petro dollars coming in and mosques left right and centre being taken over this is not a far off possibility

 

[pak-marine]

Not my opinion
And lets face it with the petro dollars coming in and mosques left right and centre being taken over this is not a far off possibility

Thanks for clarifying .shias are next in line i forsee them signing a declaration in coming future.. and than every ones turn will come as well its just a matter of time .. only if pakistanis can pull their heads out of their arses they might realise and may have a chance of fighting back this tyranny

 

[Dirty Harry]

Thanks for clarifying .shias are next in line i forsee them signing a declaration in coming future.. and than every ones turn will come as well its just a matter of time .. only if pakistanis can pull their heads out of their arses they might realise and may have a chance of fighting back this tyranny

No that never going to happen unlike Ahmadi they have support from Iran and in my personal opinion Ahmadi should accept the constitution and struggle it legally to amend the constitution or accept the status of minority.

 

[pak-marine]

No that never going to happen unlike Ahmadi they have support from Iran and in my personal opinion Ahmadi should accept the constitution and struggle it legally to amend the constitution or accept the status of minority.

Iran , Iraq dont care most importantly its not their business .. for eg how many pakistani ayotolahs do we have in pakistan.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Iran , Iraq dont care most importantly its not their business .. for eg how many pakistani ayotolahs do we have in pakistan.

Iran historically support Pakistan Shias ask anybody or read history if bigot Sunnis have L.J Iran help Shias to create S.M against them.

 

[haviZsultan]

This thread and the intolerance presented here makes me sick. When people justify the killings of Ahmedis it comes as no surprise that we are suffering what we are. Intolerance has seeped into the very minds of our people so that they do not even realize how evil and bigoted they are. Sick mindset. I will always stand by the oppressed including the Ahmedis.

 

[airmarshal]

Persecution of Qadianis is not acceptable. They are a minority and must be respected as such.

Since they are a minority, they dont say it but their fake prophet calls all Muslims as non-Muslims while his Qadiani faith to be true Muslim.

Just read & listen to the following to enlighten yourself about the fitna of Ahmediyya.

Statement of Maulana Syed Abu'l Ala Maududi on Qadiani Expulsion


Qadiyanis themselves broke relations with Muslims in accordance with the great gap they had dug between them and Muslims. They organized themselves independently, as if they were a non-Muslim minority as affirmed by their own writings.

--"The promised Christ made it clear that Ahmadis should not be led in prayer by a Muslim. Many letters come questioning this matter. My answer to them all is that no matter how many times you repeat the question, I will answer that it is not right, not right, not right to be led in prayer by a non-Ahmadiyan". (Anwar Khilafat by Mirza Bashir Mahmud pp. 89)

--"We must neither believe in non-Ahmadiyan Islam, nor be led by them in prayer, because in our opinion they are disbelievers in one of Allah's prophets". (Ibid. pp. 90)

--"If a non-Ahmadi's son died why ,we do not pray for him though he does not disbelieve in Ghulam Ahmad as the promised Christ! I myself ask those who have questioned me why we do not pray for the son of a Hindu or a Christian when they die....The non-Ahmadi's son is one of the non-Ahmadis and for this reason prayer for them is not right". (Ibid. pp.93)

--"The promised Christ was loathsome of an Ahmadiyan who wanted to let his daughter a non-Ahmadiyan. The man asked him many times, but the promised Christ ordered him not to do so. Then the man allowed his daughter marriage after the death of the promised Christ, so the caliph drove him away from his religious position and did not accept his penitence though the man repeated it many times until six years elapsed". (Ibid. pp. 93-94)

--"The promised Christ did not allow any transaction with Muslims, except those permitted to be so with Christians and Jews. He distinguished us from Muslims in prayer, prohibited intermarriage with them, and prayer for their dead, so what is left to connect us with them? Interactions between people depend on two things and have two forms; a religious and a worldly transactions. The greatest means of religious transactions is to pray together and to intermarry. These two kinds are prohibited in our religion, and if you say that we are allowed to marry Muslim girls, I say that this applies to Christians, too. And if you question me why it is right to greet non-Ahmadis, my answer will be that according to a true prophet's Hadith, he returned the greetings of Jews". (Word Of Demarcation published in Rioy av Religinter, pp. 69)

 

[Pakistani E]

You have proven my point; picking out a snippet of information and taking it out of context. Doesn't the rest of my post fit your narrative? Bhai, stop playing this victim card and live in peace in our beloved land of the pure where there is no ban on NIKAB and we practice and go to the masjid unhindered. It is a beautiful country for those who want to live peacefully.

Your whole comment is childish, and I do not believe it warrants a sensible response. I reply to posts based on the intelligence level of the origional posters. But, seeing as though I have a shred of decency, I will entertain you.

You first stated that a "true" version of the story had been outed. Please tell me where this new version came out from and where was it posted. I didn't know the police investigation had even been concluded, this is news to me. You knew the conclusion of the police investigation before it was even published.

So first you dismiss this version of the story and attempt to provide your version without justifible evidence. Then, you attempt to use typical victim blaming response of many when you say that Ahmadis themselves set this on fire to gain asylum. Which was the bit I responded to. But you truly are a genius if you believe a rich and well off Ahmadi would want to burn down his life work just to move to a western country for what exactly? To struggle to find work here? Or to start from scratch? Do you know what type of work setting up a factory involves?

Okay, so it seems like the ahmadi factory owner hired a mod to not only burn down his factory for the insurance claim, but also somehow ordered the mob to burn down ahmadi houses and an Ahmadi mosques? All of these were insured by the factory owner? Lol. You insult your own self with childish commenst such as these. Do you understand now why I had apprehension towards replying to you with more than a snarky remark?

The third part, is the only one that warrants merit. As traders have in the past known to have used these types of accusations against each other. But then again, if that does happen, please tell me isn't it the police responsibility to then protect the victims in this instead of arresting three ahmadis instead of investigating the matter further?

As for your statement about people being freed to leave Pakistan, then you are already getting your wish. A large number of educated and economically astute minded Ahmadis have already left Pakistan. Taking with them knowledge and what is refered to in economics as "flight of capital". Only in your twisted mind is this a great thing, since the loser will be Pakistan itself as it loses the most productive members of its society.

Ahmadis are indeed victim of a corrupt and religious intolerant society who like to play God and decide on the matters of the heart. You are playing God by trying to tell me what I can or cannot believe. Ahmadis have been living here peacefully, its your friends amongst the rioters who have repeatedly attacked ahmadis. Ahmadis have to date, remain peaceful, and people like you will remain oblivious to the patience of Ahmadis in not retaliating.

I was having a go at rabwa times not your religion....
Now i will say only you can believe rabwa times is a reliable source....

The fact that its allowed to be published also says some thing ....

But their seems to be an inharrent hatred that keeps u from neutral sources and seeing facts

Untill few years ago, no mainstream media in Pakistan allowed Ahmadis to present their own view. In this climate, why do you blame Ahmadis for setting up their own media ?

Persecution of Qadianis is not acceptable. They are a minority and must be respected as such.

Since they are a minority, they dont say it but their fake prophet calls all Muslims as non-Muslims while his Qadiani faith to be true Muslim.

Just read & listen to the following to enlighten yourself about the fitna of Ahmediyya.

Statement of Maulana Syed Abu'l Ala Maududi on Qadiani Expulsion


Qadiyanis themselves broke relations with Muslims in accordance with the great gap they had dug between them and Muslims. They organized themselves independently, as if they were a non-Muslim minority as affirmed by their own writings.

--"The promised Christ made it clear that Ahmadis should not be led in prayer by a Muslim. Many letters come questioning this matter. My answer to them all is that no matter how many times you repeat the question, I will answer that it is not right, not right, not right to be led in prayer by a non-Ahmadiyan". (Anwar Khilafat by Mirza Bashir Mahmud pp. 89)

--"We must neither believe in non-Ahmadiyan Islam, nor be led by them in prayer, because in our opinion they are disbelievers in one of Allah's prophets". (Ibid. pp. 90)

--"If a non-Ahmadi's son died why ,we do not pray for him though he does not disbelieve in Ghulam Ahmad as the promised Christ! I myself ask those who have questioned me why we do not pray for the son of a Hindu or a Christian when they die....The non-Ahmadi's son is one of the non-Ahmadis and for this reason prayer for them is not right". (Ibid. pp.93)

--"The promised Christ was loathsome of an Ahmadiyan who wanted to let his daughter a non-Ahmadiyan. The man asked him many times, but the promised Christ ordered him not to do so. Then the man allowed his daughter marriage after the death of the promised Christ, so the caliph drove him away from his religious position and did not accept his penitence though the man repeated it many times until six years elapsed". (Ibid. pp. 93-94)

--"The promised Christ did not allow any transaction with Muslims, except those permitted to be so with Christians and Jews. He distinguished us from Muslims in prayer, prohibited intermarriage with them, and prayer for their dead, so what is left to connect us with them? Interactions between people depend on two things and have two forms; a religious and a worldly transactions. The greatest means of religious transactions is to pray together and to intermarry. These two kinds are prohibited in our religion, and if you say that we are allowed to marry Muslim girls, I say that this applies to Christians, too. And if you question me why it is right to greet non-Ahmadis, my answer will be that according to a true prophet's Hadith, he returned the greetings of Jews". (Word Of Demarcation published in Rioy av Religinter, pp. 69)

So you can go and burn down Ahmadi factories, kill unborn ahmadi babies and shoot dead 13 year olds. Right?