Pakistanis look to India for solutions

[ahmed_naj]

In the case of the Naxals who we were discussing, what exactly are they demanding? Unless they can substantially provide their demands then they remain nothing more than criminals and not "insurgents"

Criminals that wear uniform and go around planting landmines, blowing up police patrols?

 

[Spring Onion]

The UK

Oh man you really opened yourself up here Did you forget the Catholic /Protestant massacres between the Irish in Northern Ireland ?

and you are talking about Irish Confederate Wars in 1641, a which was mostly between between the Irish, English and Scottish settlers.

And you are justifying violation of secularims by comparing Massacar of Christians and Muslims in India, by comparing it with Irish confiderate wars that too in 1641

 

[blain2]

With respect Mr Super Mod, you ask for facts and yet make bold statements without any factual proof? When did Pakistan ever afford the UNO or any other authority of evidence of your above assertment?

Are you missing certain facts? Hint: lookup the support and training provided to MB by the Indian Army against the sovereign Republic of Pakistan. While you are at it, you should also dig up the UN and UNSC resolutions that were passed during the 1971 war to see who was asked to do what.

Sorry if the facts are coming across to you as my boldness.

If you deny any of the above then this discussion is a waste and you certainly are here for no reasons other than trolling.

 

[PakShaheen79]

@PlanetWarrior

Just a question...

If Pakistan army is killing terrorists in SWA why Indian CoAS has issue with that?

 

[PakShaheen79]

Thank you for enlightening me on the definition of "insurgency" and insurgents. You forget to add that the definition of an insurgency is an armed rebellion in furtherance of certain demands which are refused to be upheld by the authority. In the case of the Naxals who we were discussing, what exactly are they demanding? Unless they can substantially provide their demands then they remain nothing more than criminals and not "insurgents"

Despite all what you said; Still there moment is regarded as insurgency.
Naxalite-Maoist insurgency

 

[blueoval79]

How ill informed u are we are killing terrorists man don't u know that

Boy i dont take any medicine, but i m pretty much sure u do take some crap articles, i can point them out if u want...

talking about Freedom, Look so many of ur districts are hit by insurgency & when we talk about Freedom of Kashmir u people feel pain somewhere unmentionable....

Well bombing your own country in the name of killing terrorists is a great way to get rid of terrorism.....

Since you brought up Indian Insurgency here.... do you see India bombing any Indian state.... with fighter jets and helicopter gunships....to kill terrorists.......

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Well bombing your own country in the name of killing terrorists is a great way to get rid of terrorism.....

Since you brought up Indian Insurgency here.... do you see India bombing any Indian state.... with fighter jets and helicopter gunships....to kill terrorists.......

Thats why i m telling u again, Pakistan don't see towards India for solution of its problems...

ever heard about precision strikes & LGBs???
We are not NATO & US who bomb marriage ceremonies & call them co lateral damage & after all we have full local support

what can i say bout Indians not using jets, probably their bombs are Duds

 

[blueoval79]

Thats why i m telling u again, Pakistan don't see towards India for solution of its problems...

Well if Pakistan can look at India to replicate some programs...then why can't Pakistan cooperate with India in fighting terrorism....

ever heard about precision strikes & LGBs???
We are not NATO & US who bomb marriage ceremonies & call them co lateral damage & after all we have full local support

Sure...you do have local support.....and Pakistanis don't mind..their houses being bombed by their own army.....

Read This:
Himal Southasian/Swat valley: What lies ahead?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Well if Pakistan can look at India to replicate some programs...then why can't Pakistan cooperate with India in fighting terrorism....

eh?????
Ask ur Chidu & PM we are always ready to talk its just that Indians want to act like 'big brothers'

Sure...you do have local support.....and Pakistanis don't mind..their houses being bombed by their own army.....

Read This:
Himal Southasian/Swat valley: What lies ahead?

Link not working, if ur talking about IDPs then listen, 85% of the IDPs from Swat have returned, now IDPs are coming from SWA & inshallah they will return to their homes as well

Do u seriously think that we are dropping bombs the way Luftwaffe dropped them on London???
there is only limited use of air power & that too is very precise

 

[blueoval79]

eh?????
Ask ur Chidu & PM we are always ready to talk its just that Indians want to act like 'big brothers'

I think India stand is very clearly hammered to your Mallu and Zudu.....that India side will only come to table if Pakistan Stops supporting Terrorism against India.

eh?????
Link not working, if ur talking about IDPs then listen, 85% of the IDPs from Swat have returned, now IDPs are coming from SWA & inshallah they will return to their homes as well

Do u seriously think that we are dropping bombs the way Luftwaffe dropped them on London???
there is only limited use of air power & that too is very precise

Well the link works fine here for me.....but if you insist I will post the entire story.....

The article tells me that the bombing in indiscriminate....no holds barred....
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Notes from Mingora

The Pakistan Army has forced the Taliban to flee Mingora. But nobody else wants to live there now, either.

By Iqbal Khattak

Looking down at the city from a dusty window of the Pakistan Army’s M-17 transport helicopter, Mingora gave off the air of a ghost town. This was hardly surprising as it had been almost four weeks since the military had begun operations against Taliban militants in the Swat Valley. The situation on the ground was such that although the security forces had already regained control of about 70 percent of the district capital, 90 percent of the population had fled fighting in search of safety. A densely populated city of almost half a million residents, the military vacated Mingora before launching ‘Operation Rah-e-Rast’, or Right Path. Military sources report that 1300 militants have been killed as of 5 June. Lieutenant-General Nadeem Ahmed, the chief of the Special Support Group, said training centres, hideouts and command and control facilities of the Taliban were destroyed with the militants “on the run.” But the military acknowledges that most of the Taliban who fled can stage a comeback when the civilians return home. To ensure that this does not happen, Islamabad is trying to ensure the capture or death of the top leadership: There is a total reward of PKR 91 million for 21 top Swat commanders while those with news of chief Maulana Fazlullah will receive a whopping PKR 50 million.

Back in Swat, driving around the city of Mingora only reinforces the sense of being in a ghost town, and a bloody one at that littered with unburied corpses of militants with dogs sniffing around them. There were also huge craters in the middle of the streets, serving as a reminder that the militants had mined the deserted city before they fled it. What is striking, however, is the limited damage inflicted on the visible physical infrastructure after weeks of intense fighting. Indeed, the only devastated areas are those where the Taliban had set up sector command headquarters to organise the fight against the army. For instance, Green Chowk, the militants’ stronghold, experienced more damage than any other place in the city. This was where they beheaded rivals, government employees and security personnel and hung their bodies in the centre of the square earning it the nickname of Khonee (bloody) square. Some private buildings occupied by militants were also targeted by US-made Cobra gunship helicopters or long-range artillery. As a result, several streets were littered with broken electricity wires, collapsed walls and roofs. It was rare to see a person, one of the few trapped inside the buildings, appear in the streets to receive a military-provided MRE (meal ready-to-eat).

No relief
There are, however, civilians left in Mingora, and they are in dire need of food and civic amenities, both of which have been next to non-existent since the operation started in the first week of May. And it continues in much this way today; there is no medical staff, electricity, gas, drinking water or any other emergency facilities available to the some 40,000 residents still stranded by the continuous curfew imposed across the city. “Living is extremely difficult under these circumstances when there is no electricity, no gas, no drinking water and no other facility to support life,” says 18-year-old Saran Zeb, standing in queue at a MRE distribution point. “We will soon have no food we stockpiled before the operation started,” he adds.

Labourer Ikram has similar complaints of an imminent food shortage. “The food we stocked is finishing. I wonder what will happen if no food is left and there is still curfew. We will die,” the stranded resident said in a choked voice. Ten-year-old Noor Zaman is shaken by the gunfire still heard in and around the city at night. “It is very frightening when heavy guns are blitzing,” he says, tightly clinging to her father’s left hand. That same evening, this writer too heard the shots that so scared the 10-year-old Noor. But according to police sources, these shots are fired to keep the soldiers on duty awake and alert. (This explanation sounded like a ploy to comfort the embedded journalists.) What is more, there had been no relaxation of the curfew for twenty consecutive days. Finally, on 31 May, the authorities announced a four-hour let-up of the curfew. During this period, young, old, men, women and children were all seen heading for relief camps in the neighbouring districts of Swabi, Mardan and Peshawar.

These were the last of the people remaining in Mingora – 2.4 million had already left before them, from Swat, Buner and Dir. Add to that the 554,000 displaced from Bajaur and South Waziristan last year during similar military offensives against the militants and the total number comes to about three million people urgently in need of help. The Office for the UN Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Pakistan has warned that humanitarian efforts for these internally-displaced people would have to be scaled down if the international community “does not come up with immediate and generous financial assistance.” The office had appealed for USD 543 million to meet the urgent needs of the displaced people. But it has only received 22 per cent of the amount as of 4 June.

With much discomfort for the public because of the Taliban, the militants are losing support of the people from the affected areas. A woman displaced from the Swat town of Kanju, and currently living in a relief camp in the Swabi district, says of the Taliban militants: “They are beasts. They are not human. May God finish them all like they have finished us.”

Iqbal Khattak is the Peshawar bureau chief for the Daily Times

Himal Southasian/Swat valley: What lies ahead?

Try and visit this link for more information.....

 

[Iggy]

why you are bringing in Pakistan and Bangladesh into this?

And do i need to post the Christian massacar .

Besides thanks but No thanks we dont need your advise on what should we adopt and what not.

Did you say Christian massacre..yeaaaaa I am a christian and I am massacred here every day by the the evil Brahman upper caste people..Gimme a break Jana..My community is enjoying as much freedom as every body else in this country..And also we also doour share of crime in the country too..

Yes there are some incidents but its not wise to point finger at every Indians..because religious fanatics are everywhere in the world but we have our freedom in our country and for many of us our country come first that religion and I am proud to say I am a Indian Christian ..

Even when a single Christian guy is killed you started saying about Hindu Upper caste religious fanatics...can you tell me how you describe a Christian guy killing a Hindu guy or a Muslim guy killing a Hindu or Christian guy??All of these killing may not be on the basis of religion some of them are because of personal issues..But you dont care about checking the facts ..you see a christian being killed and you are up in ante telling Hindus massacring poor innocent Christians...

You know in my place Kerala there is an incident where two priests and a nun killed a nun because she accidentally saw the secret affair between the priests and the nun..I am citing this example to tell you that we are also not that saints here we also do our part of mischief here

 

[DaRk WaVe]

I think India stand is very clearly hammered to your Mallu and Zudu.....that India side will only come to table if Pakistan Stops supporting Terrorism against India.

& we have told u so many times there is not enough evidence to convict anyone & that Pak India Cooperation must not be derailed coz of some non state actors

Himal Southasian/Swat valley: What lies ahead?

where is indiscriminate bombing????
its just reinopfcing my point that bombing was precise, If militants will use local ppl homes then what should we do, leave them

What is striking, however, is the limited damage inflicted on the visible physical infrastructure after weeks of intense fighting. Indeed, the only devastated areas are those where the Taliban had set up sector command headquarters to organise the fight against the army.

& that we have local support....

A woman displaced from the Swat town of Kanju, and currently living in a relief camp in the Swabi district, says of the Taliban militants: “They are beasts. They are not human. May God finish them all like they have finished us.”

 

[blueoval79]

& we have told u so many times there is not enough evidence to convict anyone & that Pak India Cooperation must not be derailed coz of some non state actors

Did I say.....punish anyone.....I just said ....Pakistan has to stop using the so called non state actors against India ...to clear the room for discussion...

where is indiscriminate bombing????
its just reinopfcing my point that bombing was precise, If militants will use local ppl homes then what should we do, leave them

& that we have local support....

So you mean to say.....American drone attacks are indiscriminate....but Pakistani bombs make sure they land on Terrorists every time they are fired...

And yes...the average Pakistani loves to see his house bombed by his own Army........Great logic.....

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Did I say.....punish anyone.....I just said ....Pakistan has to stop using the so called non state actors against India ...to clear the room for discussion...

we have got our own problems, we don't have time to think about using non state actors against India, once we are done with these Thugs we will see u people

So you mean to say.....American drone attacks are indiscriminate....but Pakistani bombs make sure they land on Terrorists every time they are fired...

And yes...the average Pakistani loves to see his house bombed by his own Army........Great logic.....

So now u have shifted to Drone attacks
Simple question where in that mentioned article is anything like 'in discriminate bombing'
only areas where there was concentration of militants are affected & moreover if they will use IEDs & mines then craters will be formed & last but not the least if they will use Civilian homes as bunkers then what should the soldiers do, Fill their Mags with Flowers & shoot
Where is written that ordinary ppl houses are blown by PA? Of course there are exceptional cases but this is WAR

 

[devd]

I guess if we think conceptually it make sense. Here are some good example from history which i can think of and you can tell me if you disagree.

1. despite of 1962 war how India china agree to mitigates tension and increase the trade , benefiting each other.

2. despite of long rival between India and US(india was backing iran and Russia) , the only big success of BUSH was to make a non ally country as an ally(India). there may be other reason for this but this is just an example.

Now the question is that if it can stop terrorism and make both countries boost their economic then why not its a right step if in case it can work.

If you think how india foriegn policy work to make ally as much country as you can . at the back may be they are enemy. in some sense this is a right step in some sense may be wrong.