Pakistanis look to India for solutions

[Spring Onion]

yes pls tell us hoe many people killed as tried to free themselves from clutches of Hinduism ??

Isnt it self evident the fact that minority population is rising in indian while the hindu popution is coming down whereas the the exact opposite is going on in pakistan and Bangaladesh.



Pakistanis better shun its religious dogma and learn to become a secular country as afterall this 21 century modern era not freaking middle ages...

why you are bringing in Pakistan and Bangladesh into this?

And do i need to post the Christian massacar .

Besides thanks but No thanks we dont need your advise on what should we adopt and what not.

 

[Spring Onion]

Jaan please do not pass insults purely for the sake of passing insults.

Insults?? where did i use any words amounting to insult??

If you intend making an allegation then please substantiate with factual evidence. Neither India nor its Hindu majority nor its media condones the violation of secularism by hardline Hindu groups. If we did bow to the demands of the hardliner Hindus then most mosques and churches in India would be razed to the ground. With a few rare exceptions which the authorities acted against, how many largescale destruction of non Hindu shrines occured in our secular history? There again and in sticking with the topic, Pakistan can look to India for solutions

Not condoning is small thing. It doesnt matter what matters is why such incidents took place in a secular country? And above all why states of this secular country were part of riots and killing viz a viz Babri Mosque demolition and Gujrat massacar or Christians' ruthless killing.

And its also matter of shame that those involved in these incidents they are still not punished except few low ranked activists of harline Hindu groups, the real culprits are still to be punished.

 

[Khajur]

why you are bringing in Pakistan and Bangladesh into this?

And do i need to post the Christian massacar .

Besides thanks but No thanks we dont need your advise on what should we adopt and what not.

yes ,pls go ahead.

If u are refering to Christian massacres in orissa...then let me tell u more people die in taliban suicide blasts in pakistan in a single day than in those massacres that too when we have many crores of Christian population .

Besides thanks but No thanks we dont need your advise on what should we adopt and what not

If u still want to live ur with middles age ethos..its ur choice...cant blame us for being more liberal and democratic in fact the largest one in the whole world,can u??

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Insults?? where did i use any words amounting to insult??



Not condoning is small thing. It doesnt matter what matters is why such incidents took place in a secular country? And above all why states of this secular country were part of riots and killing viz a viz Babri Mosque demolition and Gujrat massacar or Christians' ruthless killing.

And its also matter of shame that those involved in these incidents they are still not punished except few low ranked activists of harline Hindu groups, the real culprits are still to be punished.

As I indicated earlier these incidents occur in every country but it is secular democracies which take action and attempt to stump it out. Your insult is that you attempt to limit these crimes as being crimes designed by the secular Indian government. Those who are apprehended and convicted are punished. That is adequete in any democracy. Those who stir are also charged but not punished as badly as the actual perpetrators. What is Pakistan's conviction rate for religious crimes committed by its people? Once again , Pakistan can look to India for solutions to its religious intolerance policy. I did warn you that this list is endless

 

[Spring Onion]

yes ,pls go ahead.

If u are refering to Christian massacres in orissa...then let me tell u more people die in taliban suicide blasts in pakistan in a single day than in those massacres that too when we have many crores of Christian population .

bwahhhhhhhhhhh you are short of arguments thats why you are comparing Taliban terrorism with massacar of Christians in India.

If u still want to live ur with middles age ethos..its ur choice...cant blame us for being more liberal and democratic in fact the largest one in the whole world,can u??

Its our choice to live the way we want why you are sleepless

 

[ahmed_naj]

Our districts are sometimes hit by crime and we have the police handle those crimes whether by Naxals or whatever

Nice to know you think an isurgency is just a law and order problem

 

[Spring Onion]

As I indicated earlier these incidents occur in every country but it is secular democracies which take action and attempt to stump it out. Your insult is that you attempt to limit these crimes as being crimes designed by the secular Indian government. Those who are apprehended and convicted are punished. That is adequete in any democracy. Those who stir are also charged but not punished as badly as the actual perpetrators. What is Pakistan's conviction rate for religious crimes committed by its people? Once again , Pakistan can look to India for solutions to its religious intolerance policy. I did warn you that this list is endless

No not at all such incidents do not occure in every country that claims to be secular.

You give me one example from any other Secular country where thousands were killed due to their different faith? or for conversion.

 

[blain2]

Meanwhile, a Pakistani army source who spoke on condition of anonymity said: “The Pakistani army will go after the terrorists who challenge the army, but those terrorists who are fighting America or India, well, we will let them be.”

And we are suppose to buy this trash? What gives? This last part alone kills the entire thread. Unnamed sources to malign the image of the Army. Nice Indian propaganda. First show the concern of some citizens about the Army's influence in politics and then come with a killer conclusion implicating the Army in the war being waged against the Americans...amazing way the Indian media/mind works when it comes to dealing with Pakistan. All the goodwill goes out the bloody window after you read such horse ****!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Nice to know you think an isurgency is just a law and order problem

In our case it is a law and order problem since we do not train insurgents on the use of weapons with a view to sending them across the borders to take on our enemies. Hence the Naxals etc are regarded as nothing short of criminals and are not accomodated by the State. Hence they remain a crime problem and not a security problem. Counter scenario is that we train the Naxals etc, fuel their extremism and convince them to cross the Pakistani border and cause havoc there. Now that is shortsighted since they will return to bite us someday with their extremist minds. There again, Pakistan can look to India for solutions

 

[ahmed_naj]

Pakistan can look to India for solutions to its religious intolerance policy

Are you suggesting that the pakistani state sponsors religous intolerance?!?

 

[blain2]

In our case it is a law and order problem since we do not train insurgents on the use of weapons with a view to sending them across the borders to take on our enemies.

Really? How righteous! I am sure those Mukti Bahni arses were a figment of our imagination as are the Baloch insurgents finding refuge in Afghanistan. I am sure Indians were sending them through their IITs to enhance their business know-how instead of training them to kill Pakistanis.

Maybe you can sell this propaganda to some clueless idiot in the West, we have seen who India sends with what purpose across the border for the past many decades now. So please don't insult the intelligence of people here and try to come up with something a bit more factual. At least facts and truth, as ugly as they may seem, are are good starting point to further a conversation.

 

[ahmed_naj]

In our case it is a law and order problem since we do not train insurgents on the use of weapons with a view to sending them across the borders to take on our enemies. Hence the Naxals etc are regarded as nothing short of criminals and are not accomodated by the State. Hence they remain a crime problem and not a security problem. Counter scenario is that we train the Naxals etc, fuel their extremism and convince them to cross the Pakistani border and cause havoc there. Now that is shortsighted since they will return to bite us someday with their extremist minds. There again, Pakistan can look to India for solutions

Bull S***

"An insurgency is an armed rebellion against a constituted authority"

" insurgent - guerrilla: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment"

"insurgent - in opposition to a civil authority or government"

 

[PlanetWarrior]

You did that in case of Sri Lanka.

Proof? Or is it now an accepted fact since your Interior Minister Malik ji or Zaid Hamid ji said so ? Yes and the proof "cannot be provided at this stage"

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Really? How righteous! I am sure those Mukti Bahni arses were a figment of our imagination as are the Baloch insurgents finding refuge in Afghanistan. I am sure Indians were sending them through their IITs to enhance their business know-how instead of training them to kill Pakistanis.

Maybe you can sell this propaganda to some clueless idiot in the West, we have seen who India sends with what purpose across the border for the past many decades now. So please don't insult the intelligence of people here and try to come up with something a bit more factual. At least facts and truth, as ugly as they may seem, are are good starting point to further a conversation.

With respect Mr Super Mod, you ask for facts and yet make bold statements without any factual proof? When did Pakistan ever afford the UNO or any other authority of evidence of your above assertment?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Bull S***

"An insurgency is an armed rebellion against a constituted authority"

" insurgent - guerrilla: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment"

"insurgent - in opposition to a civil authority or government"

Thank you for enlightening me on the definition of "insurgency" and insurgents. You forget to add that the definition of an insurgency is an armed rebellion in furtherance of certain demands which are refused to be upheld by the authority. In the case of the Naxals who we were discussing, what exactly are they demanding? Unless they can substantially provide their demands then they remain nothing more than criminals and not "insurgents"