Pakistanis getting to know our Indian Muslim members

[jamahir]

What is deal with some Indians using salwar kameez, instead of Shalwar qameez?

I think in Indian Punjab ( and Delhi ) they always used Shalwar kameez ( and not the 'q' of Urdu ) but in other places where the garment was more recently adopted ( in the last few decades ) it became Salwar kameez.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That is a difficult question. The region I live in has different religious and linguistic groups so there is no staple diet.

But at my house it is generally roti and vegetable in the morning, rice and some daal for lunch ( today there was kaddu daal ) and roti and vegetable for dinner.

Meat is at least once a week ( Friday, Biryani or curry, chicken or sometimes the pricey mutton. Beef is available at a considerable distance so generally no unless on Bakrid ).

Variations for breakfast can be sabu dana pulav and cauliflower ( two of my favorites ). Variation for lunch can be mushroom.

Other than this, the South Indian regulars idli and dosa with coconut or mint chutney.

I didn't realize how many Kaddu dishes there were until I grew some in my house. Large number of family friends (mostly Indian Muslims) gave us great recipes for making Kaddu dishes.

Vegetable dishes in Pakistan are very confined and specific. For example no self-respecting Pakistani will eat Saag (spinach) without makki di roti (flat bread made of corn.)

Chaney (chickpeas,) also called choley, are usually eaten with roti, or puri.

I came to appreciate Indian Muslim aptitude for cooking vegetable dishes.

This is because Pakistani food is very meaty.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I think in Indian Punjab ( and Delhi ) they always used Shalwar kameez ( and not the 'q' of Urdu ) but in other places where the garment was more recently adopted ( in the last few decades ) it became Salwar kameez.

Why s instead of sh for women?

Q/k both used in Pakistan. I am just trying to be more correct.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@xeuss @Mad Scientist 2.0 Feel free to enter anytime for some lighthearted discussions.

 

[jamahir]

And Sittu (barley) too.

Here it is called Sattu. I drank the powder with milk a few times.

One senior of mine and his wife - I have respect for them - they showed me ( and gave some to me ) a mixed powder made from all the pulses ( horsegram, phutana and others ) that can be found in the kitchen. It can be drunk with milk.

Gajar da halwa also is very common in Pakistan, we are absolutely crazy about it. Some places like pakhawar, pindi, multan, and gujranwala have famous varieties.

Lovely ! I like it too.

Another thing I like is Double ka Meetha.

 

[jamahir]

Why s instead of sh for women?

I suppose just the usage among non-Punjabi non-Himachali people.

Q/k both used in Pakistan. I am just trying to be more correct.

OK.

 

[jamahir]

Chaney (chickpeas,) also called choley, are usually eaten with roti, or puri.

I like that too.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Here it is called Sattu. I drank the powder with milk a few times.

One senior of mine and his wife - I have respect for them - they showed me ( and gave some to me ) a mixed powder made from all the pulses ( horsegram, phutana and others ) that can be found in the kitchen. It can be drunk with milk.



Lovely ! I like it too.

Another thing I like is Double ka Meetha.

I had Shahi Tukrey at a friend's house. Very good.

What kind of tea is common among Indian Muslims?

Here in Pakistan, in addition to regular chai and masaley wali chai, we drink alot of Kawa.

Kawa is green tea. It can be as simple as only elaichi (cardamom) and sparse green tea as in Pakhawari qehwa, or complex with combinations of lemongrass, mint, lemon, and/or ginger.

Tea shops for just Kawa are very common thing throughout Pakistan.

 

[xeuss]

So after having been on this forum for a while, I have noticed that many Indian Muslims share commonalities with Pakistanis in their views about the Indian state (Congress/RSS) and generally about the world at large.

I wanted to create a light-hearted thread where Pakistanis and Indian Muslims can discuss and learn from each other in an environment free of the usual trolling.

So to get it started, i wanted to ask our Indian Muslim members some simple questions.

Why did you join PDF?

What did/do you hope to learn from Pakistanis?

How has your experience been on this forum?

Was there anything interesting you learned from PDF?

@xeuss @jamahir @Mad Scientist 2.0 @The_Showstopper @HalfMoon

Hello PIP,

I used to occasionally lurk for a long time on this forum, but what got me to join is the overflow of the Right Wing Sanghi propaganda that was taking over this forum and the false narratives that was being created against the Indian Muslims. As you all may have seen, much of the Sanghi propaganda is all lies and based on a sense of victimhood (laughable I know).

The only thing I would love to learn from Pakistanis is how to make Peshawari Karahi.

Other than that, the wish I have is for India and Pakistan to have peaceful relations like USA and Canada, so that at least for us Indian Muslims, we can meet easily go across the borders and meet people. I am sure many normal Indians have the same desire as well.

 

[Musings]

Hello PIP,

I used to occasionally lurk for a long time on this forum, but what got me to join is the overflow of the Right Wing Sanghi propaganda that was taking over this forum and the false narratives that was being created against the Indian Muslims. As you all may have seen, much of the Sanghi propaganda is all lies and based on a sense of victimhood (laughable I know).

The only thing I would love to learn from Pakistanis is how to make Peshawari Karahi.

Other than that, the wish I have is for India and Pakistan to have peaceful relations like USA and Canada, so that at least for us Indian Muslims, we can meet easily go across the borders and meet people. I am sure many normal Indians have the same desire as well.

An excellent sane post. I too lurked and eventually couldn’t hold back at some of the ridiculous posting by SOME Indian posters.
It builds animosity and on line hatred. It’s not often I see posts of sanity on the net.
The hatred is of a level that I think or am led to believe Muslims in India must be fighting a daily battle just for sheer existence - thanks for your post

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I used to occasionally lurk for a long time on this forum, but what got me to join is the overflow of the Right Wing Sanghi propaganda that was taking over this forum and the false narratives that was being created against the Indian Muslims. As you all may have seen, much of the Sanghi propaganda is all lies and based on a sense of victimhood (laughable I know).

I used to read the forum for several months, mainly Pakistani topics, before joining.

When I joined, I knew exactly who to avoid and who I wanted to discuss topics with. I was mostly interested in ancient Pakistani history, linguistics, and racial origin of Pakistanis initially.

However over time, many people wanted my opinion on some topics related to Islam so I started posting about that also, and also in the international forums with Muslims of other countries.

The only thing I would love to learn from Pakistanis is how to make Peshawari Karahi.

Other than that, the wish I have is for India and Pakistan to have peaceful relations like USA and Canada, so that at least for us Indian Muslims, we can meet easily go across the borders and meet people. I am sure many normal Indians have the same desire as well.

I think Indian Muslims, BDs, and Pakistanis have reignited our lost ties and recovered some semblance of unity, due to recent events.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

An excellent sane post. I too lurked and eventually couldn’t hold back at some of the ridiculous posting by SOME Indian posters.
It builds animosity and on line hatred. It’s not often I see posts of sanity on the net.
The hatred is of a level that I think or am led to believe Muslims in India must be fighting a daily battle just for sheer existence - thanks for your post

When someone is constantly under pressure, behavior can become erratic and toxic. Pessimism and self-hate become the norm. One can start blaming innocent neighboring countries or other minorities for their lot.

To give an analogy, I had a talk with a good Syrian friend of mine about the life of everyday Syrians in Syria before the war. The pressure had led to some very strange side effects. Syrians seemed detached from reality and quick to react to the most minute things.

Even following the war and trauma, many Syrian children were experiencing night terrors, bedwetting, and decreased emotions.

That is comparable, I am sure, to the aftermath of Dilli attacks and mob lynching on Muslims of India.

@xeuss How is the condition of Muslims of Dilli after the attacks, can you describe some of their feelings and thoughts?

 

[jamahir]

I had Shahi Tukrey at a friend's house. Very good.

Sorry for the delay. Took time off for dinner and TV.

I too like the sweet and slightly bitter ( from the browning ) taste.

What kind of tea is common among Indian Muslims?

Here in Pakistan, in addition to regular chai and masaley wali chai, we drink alot of Kawa.

Kawa is green tea. It can be as simple as only elaichi (cardamom) and sparse green tea as in Pakhawari qehwa, or complex with combinations of lemongrass, mint, lemon, and/or ginger.

Tea shops for just Kawa are very common thing throughout Pakistan.

The Kahwa and the Pink Tea seem to be staples in the Kashmir region. Then there is the Sulaimani Chai ( a black tea ) which is popular in the Southern state of Kerala which may be so because of long time influence from the Arab countries. The Sulaimani is similar to the Pakhawari qehwa you mentioned. And then there is the Hyderabadi Irani Chai.

Other than this the Indian Muslims drink the market available teas like Taj Mahal and Red Label. Though when guests come the tea can be added with elaichi and even some patta ( Cinnamon ).

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I think only after India passed the racist CAA Bill, Indian Muslims finally woke up and realised they'll always be considered as second class citizens no matter how high they raise the Indian flag.

Ever since Hindu Extremist Government of Narendra Modi came to power, the Indian Muslims are being forced to prove their loyalty to the state. If they chose to remain Muslims, that means they're genetically inferior or working against the state, that's what Hindu extremists have been telling the Indian Muslims, even on this forum.

Second, when the Hindu Extremist Government of Narendra Modi decided to annex Indian Occupid Muslim Kashmir, it sent a clear message to the entire Indian Muslim population that Hindu-India will not tolerate congregation of any large Muslim community in any part of the country.

As a direct result of this recent Hellish indoctrination of India by Hindu Extremists, insha'Allah, the unique Indian Muslim Identity will only get stronger as time passes and the more distinct and separate the Indian Muslims feel, the more they will realise and understand that they cannot co-exist in a Hindu-extremist dominated India.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Good shout. Don’t know who is and who isn’t a Muslim from India - but I’m sure they will find this thread. Will add to the thread later. Didn’t take long for the attempt at derailing the thread before it gets going. How predictable

The derailers behave like giggly anime schoolgirls quite regularly these days I've noticed.