Pakistanis, Disengage from all Indians on PDF!

[forcetrip]

There is a clear difference between India born & bred and local born (2nd, 3rd gens etc). Avoiding is the best SOP. I don't shop from any Indian owned shops and don't buy Made in India products.

My last neighbour was an Indian (born & bred), and on a train ride into London one day he suddenly started off on Kashmir (never discussed Pakistan-India ever with him) - this was after about a year or so of interaction. What came out of that highly educated scientist was all that Indian anchor talk ... That was the last day of our interaction with him and his family - put on a permanent shit-list.

While you had a perfect opportunity to explain your point of view being neighbors your decision went the other way to paint all Indians the same way. You have to have answers that are available to discuss when dealing with not just indians but other inhabitants as well otherwise it wont be surprising when you hear someone say that all muslims are terrorists. What is being done in Kashmir is not a secret but its not a global problem because we don't matter that much to the world. How did we get to a situation where we do not matter? One small reason would be that we do not know how to communicate our point of view without being over emotional. No one with the facts that are available about Kashmir can argue in simple terms about it being civilized. They will always come to the conclusion that its fair game for land. Thats all that you can do about it being very distant from the issue.

Your house hold products do not have to be from an indian store to be indian. Thats the tunnel vision that we currently have. Your priority should be to only buy Pakistani products available in a western country cause the rest of the world is complicit in what is happening. Thats your taxs at work. What all products are available there from Pakistan? Cause me living in Pakistan I usually end up buying western products cause they last longer or if I need disposable products at a reasonable cost I get chinese. I dont really need Shan masala or hockey sticks or footballs that much.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

@masterchief_mirza Brother, what are your thoughts?

I know you are the scourge of Indians.

@Hiptullha @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @Morpheus @21st Century Vampire @Areesh @Starlord

Thoughts?

Well...I prefer a different approach. Indians are a reality. It is folly to ignore them completely. Yes, sometimes they're clearly trolling, disrupting, distracting, diverting precious resources from more important matters - that's when I agree completely that they should be ignored or some mod informed.

However, ignoring wholesale in every walk of life is a risky risky strategy for one simple reason:

VOLUME.

They have numbers EVERYWHERE. This sort of enemy/rival is a unique one that nobody else on the planet has ever had to deal with.

Low quality, high volume, repetitive attacks in numerous different strata of information warfare.

To ignore this low quality, high volume barrage is inviting destruction of one's own narratives and ideologies, be it on the internet or be it in real life.

Why are swarms of Indians occupying positions of influence in professional institutions around Europe and America? Is it because they produce a product or service of higher quality than you or I? Like fudge do they! It's simply because of our laziness. We say "ignore them", "let them do what they like", "I'll just chill".

Do you think these Indians in positions of influence consider some Asian baradhari or aman ki asha when it comes to choosing between a Pakistani or a non-Pakistani for promotion or advancement? My foot do they!

It is quite the opposite in fact.

They will dismiss you summarily if possible, and if they can't, they will whisper constantly in the white man's ear "terrorist", "beardo", "scarfie", "they're trouble they are with the prayer times and the ramadan", "doesn't drink so won't socialise".....etc etc.

If a Pakistani has to manage a group of Indians in a professional sphere, it is like an undeclared war, with constant repeated sabotage and undermining and microaggression. Should the Pakistani resign from this mess because of some "la la la let's ignore them" policy? Really?

No. The solution is, work harder. If each man works twice as hard, the numerical gap closes. Work better. They rely on quantity not quality. We shouldn't.

The above is a rant and somewhat disjointed, partly relevant to pdf but partly to other spheres. But the case I'm presenting is that total disengagement is not the right policy and will only encourage apathy and laziness among ourselves. Apathy and laziness have been the downfall of far greater empires than our own.

Numbers amassed against one can often feel overwhelming, however that is no reason to surrender and throw in the towel.


"Like someone in a football game or a basketball game: When he’s trapped or boxed in, he doesn’t throw the ball away, but he has to pass it to someone who’s in the clear. "

Malcolm X.

 

[Verve]

While you had a perfect opportunity to explain your point of view being neighbors your decision went the other way to paint all Indians the same way.

You are assuming that this was merely ONE off. As I said in an earlier post, I have seen this since 13. From Indian embassy staffer's children in International school, from Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, USA, UK ...

Indian born and bred Hindus are the same everywhere! Locals (2nd, 3rd gen) from these countries (except UK perhaps) are very different and I have friends from them going back 3 decades now.

Well...I prefer a different approach. Indians are a reality. It is folly to ignore them completely. Yes, sometimes they're clearly trolling, disrupting, distracting, diverting precious resources from more important matters - that's when I agree completely that they should be ignored or some mod informed.

However, ignoring wholesale in every walk of life is a risky risky strategy for one simple reason:

VOLUME.

They have numbers EVERYWHERE. This sort of enemy/rival is a unique one that nobody else on the planet has ever had to deal with.

Low quality, high volume, repetitive attacks in numerous different strata of information warfare.

To ignore this low quality, high volume barrage is inviting destruction of one's own narratives and ideologies, be it on the internet or be it in real life.

Why are swarms of Indians occupying positions of influence in professional institutions around Europe and America? Is it because they produce a product or service of higher quality than you or I? Like fudge do they! It's simply because of our laziness. We say "ignore them", "let them do what they like", "I'll just chill".

Do you think these Indians in positions of influence consider some Asian baradhari or aman ki asha when it comes to choosing between a Pakistani or a non-Pakistani for promotion or advancement? My foot do they!

It is quite the opposite in fact.

They will dismiss you summarily if possible, and if they can't, they will whisper constantly in the white man's ear "terrorist", "beardo", "scarfie", "they're trouble they are with the prayer times and the ramadan", "doesn't drink so won't socialise".....etc etc.

If a Pakistani has to manage a group of Indians in a professional sphere, it is like an undeclared war, with constant repeated sabotage and undermining and microaggression. Should the Pakistani resign from this mess because of some "la la la let's ignore them" policy? Really?

No. The solution is, work harder. If each man works twice as hard, the numerical gap closes. Work better. They rely on quantity not quality. We shouldn't.

The above is a rant and somewhat disjointed, partly relevant to pdf but partly to other spheres. But the case I'm presenting is that total disengagement is not the right policy and will only encourage apathy and laziness among ourselves. Apathy and laziness have been the downfall of far greater empires than our own.

Numbers amassed against one can often feel overwhelming, however that is no reason to surrender and throw in the towel.


"Like someone in a football game or a basketball game: When he’s trapped or boxed in, he doesn’t throw the ball away, but he has to pass it to someone who’s in the clear. "

Malcolm X.

Who says we are ignoring what they post?

We are just not Quoting/Tagging/Replying to them. This solves a lot of problems!

We will continue to counter them aggressively but without the above 3. Its far more effective this way.

 

[Musings]

Noone is begging anyone to take them back. I was placating Verve and PakistanForever in this thread because I had been extra vicious to them previously. I should not have hurt those children's feelings.

Otherwise this thread is rubbish. I don't think Pakistani children will be able to tell Pakistani adults to not converse with Indian adults. Same goes with Indian children like Bagheera, Nilu Pule, Tiger Shroff and a few others.

All the adults on both sides of the aisle are laughing at your antics.

Extra vicious? You're on an international forum posting man - not hand to hand conflict on the Ladakh border with Chinese troops - calm down - im sure they will survive.

What is more concerning is your attempt to belittle these members by calling them children. This shows us the agitation and attempting to show "soft trollism". Just because they are frustrating at the constant abuse and crap posted by Indians - doesn't merit or give you the right to try a put down on these members.

Your list of Indian trolls (not the first time) suggests you even know who these trolls are. What you fail to grasp is these trolls as this Nilu Pule did yesterday are on a regular basis starting threads to create anamosity and build anti Pakistani feeling on the site - leading to bans. This behavior creates a vibrant response from Pakistan members like the 2 you have mentioned above. Putting both in the same catagory is offensive and below par. It shows that you still cant comprehend the reason why these members dont want to engage with Indians.

You are now down in my estimations - i suggest you have a think and decipher again - what has led to Pakistani members being frustrated to the level that they have taken this course of action.
I will of course continue to voice and call out any Indians who are trolling and talking crap.

 

[peagle]

If logic is paramount how come killing everyone to end the suffering of a few make sense. Maybe you are using some different logic.

Maybe you need to learn to read before you start posting onine, will make you look less stupid.

Dont pick and choose my words, read again, I said Thats why i believe in controlling emotions, meaning that's the emotional side, hence the need for logic and reasoning to ensure we operate by certain standards, otherwise we are not better then animals, that is exactly how india is behaving in Kashmir. Like a wild animal.

 

[Verve]

Extra vicious? You're on an international forum posting man - not hand to hand conflict on the Ladakh border with Chinese troops - calm down - im sure they will survive.

What is more concerning is your attempt to belittle these members by calling them children. This shows us the agitation and attempting to show "soft trollism". Just because they are frustrating at the constant abuse and crap posted by Indians - doesn't merit or give you the right to try a put down on these members.

Your list of Indian trolls (not the first time) suggests you even know who these trolls are. What you fail to grasp is these trolls as this Nilu Pule did yesterday are on a regular basis starting threads to create anamosity and build anti Pakistani feeling on the site - leading to bans. This behavior creates a vibrant response from Pakistan members like the 2 you have mentioned above. Putting both in the same catagory is offensive and below par. It shows that you still cant comprehend the reason why these members dont want to engage with Indians.

You are now down in my estimations - i suggest you have a think and decipher again - what has led to Pakistani members being frustrated to the level that they have taken this course of action.
I will of course continue to voice and call out any Indians who are trolling and talking crap.

This supremacists sc*m apologised twice in another thread whilst simultaneously mock. It's in their blood, they just can't help it. Ram-Ram-Stab, Ram-Ram-Stab ...

Asking them to reflect is too tasking for their brains. It causes major misfires due to the strong supremacist bridges.

 

[Musings]

This supremacists sc*m apologised twice in another thread whilst simultaneously mock. It's in their blood, they just can't help it. Ram-Ram-Stab, Ram-Ram-Stab ...

Asking them to reflect is too tasking for their brains. It causes major misfires due to the strong supremacist bridges.

I see what he tried to do and i have to apologize for not seeing it sooner. It raises my eye brows thinking this gentleman attempts to be a moderate - yet thanks those trying to belittle or mock or use the words like jihad as a "putdown" to Pakistanis.
His abilities to give back handed compliments is unique - expected better from him - guess i was wrong. Apologies again

 

[Verve]

I see what he tried to do and i have to apologize for not seeing it sooner. It raises my eye brows thinking this gentleman attempts to be a moderate - yet thanks those trying to belittle or mock or use the words like jihad as a "putdown" to Pakistanis.
His abilities to give back handed compliments is unique - expected better from him - guess i was wrong. Apologies again

No need for apologies bro.

None of them are moderates .. it's all a facade. He's as much of a fascists as his RSS brethren, but his type are far more cunning.

 

[Sharma Ji]

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

A good and healthy discussion ...moving towards, perhaps as short lived one, modus operandi.

Know thyself and know thy enemy!

Our objective has to be to improve Ourselves, Our ThoughtProcesses, Our Framing and Our Contextualising of environment around us.

We cann't deny the emperical realities of the state to Our East and neither can we do this to the states to OurWest.

Sans Emotions.

Ghusa haram hae!

Our Objective here on PDF needs to be improve our understanding, finding strength among each other .... all governed by PakPositivism.

That there would be posters to undermine such efforts is a given. And why not!

It is what it is.

We can ONLY improve ourselves and that's where our Focus must be...

What is Incorrigible is Incorrigible. and that is that!

Let us put more effort in our posts ... let us push our thinking and Meta-Models ... for this we need to avoid the standard pitfalls, distractions or outright lies or ridicule... all SOPs ...all known.

The Question needs to be directed at ourselves....

Allama Iqbal R.A said something beautiful in this regard @HRK

Rishi ke faqoon se toota na brahmin ka talism
Asa na ho to Kaleemi hae kar e babunyad!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A good and healthy discussion ...moving towards, perhaps as short lived one, modus operandi.

Know thyself and know thy enemy!

Our objective has to be to improve Ourselves, Our ThoughtProcesses, Our Framing and Our Contextualising of environment around us.

We cann't deny the emperical realities of the state to Our East and neither can we do this to the states to OurWest.

Sans Emotions.

Ghusa haram hae!

Our Objective here on PDF needs to be improve our understanding, finding strength among each other .... all governed by PakPositivism.

That there would be posters to undermine such efforts is a given. And why not!

It is what it is.

We can ONLY improve ourselves and that's where our Focus must be...

What is Incorrigible is Incorrigible. and that is that!

Let us put more effort in our posts ... let us push our thinking and Meta-Models ... for this we need to avoid the standard pitfalls, distractions or outright lies or ridicule... all SOPs ...all known.

The Question needs to be directed at ourselves....

Allama Iqbal R.A said something beautiful in this regard @HRK

Rishi ke faqoon se toota na brahmin ka talism
Asa na ho to Kaleemi hae kar e babunyad!

Collective self-improvement leads to the positive national change you want. The first step to transforming Pakistan is to have FREE high quality teaching and education that promotes Pakistani nationalism, culture and heritage.



PS We need to make high-end academia accessible to the most poorest and vulnerable people in Pakistan.

 

[HalfMoon]

Are you related to Karunanidhi?

No. I am related to Aditi Rao Hydari

Are you related to Hitler?

 

[Sharma Ji]

PS We need to make high-end academia accessible to the most poorest and vulnerable people in Pakistan.

un ko samajh hi nahi ayegi, this high end academia you speak off.

 

[VCheng]

I believe your statement on heading towards where its meant to head has been taken over by our pakistani trait of being lazy.

I was going to reply, but then I thought, why make the effort?

 

[Verve]

He has a more sinister agenda, Wont stop with Indians.. Few others are just caught in to his patronizing sweet words, Inc few Mods and even sensible (except his near psychotic hate for dogs ) @jamahir

I have been a silent observer, It's a classic case of a recruiter

... here comes the seed of an exiled convict britisher Islamophobe with his 2p analysis!

Recruiter is the one you quoted. He joined PDF to recruit likeminded to form an IT cell to counter his Sanghi/RSS brethren and current Indian government - after being banned on FB and Twitter! He made that disclosure in another thread. So worry about Indian terrorism exporters like him, instead of those who are just proposing that Indians are put on a shit-list.