Pakistani troops fire on intruding U.S. choppers

[maqsad]

Look guys, first we blame the US for tagetting individuals in Pakistani territory, then we ***** that they do not target Baitullah - don't you see contradiction in that?

Baitullah is Pakistan's problem and has been for a while, yet he still draws breath and pollutes the world by exhaling - how long will PAKISTAN allow this happen?

The heroin being grown under NATO's nose in Afghanistan is also Pakistan's problem. If NATO wont stop the drug cultivation then who besides Pakistan will? Firstly the Pak army obviously is not getting intelligence information about Baitullah Mehdud from NATO, secondly NATO is actually sitting in Afghanistan and watching Opium production grow to world record level and thirdly NATO is spewing nonsensical lies and nonsense about Pakistan being a hub of militants when probably only about 10% of attackers might be temporarily holed up there.

This whole pack of lies coming from NATO isn't even disputed by Pakistan. What is wrong here??

 

[muse]

None this material -- No one is disputing that curious goings on are noticed, but Pakistan do not need NATO or US to tell it where the heck Baitullah is - the SOB calls a press confrence and every reporters shows up, but somehow ISI, which it is claimed in afghanistan that "parada par na me zaneh, key ISI kharab na dashte bashe" --- A bird does not flaf it's wings that ISI does not have info about.

Do you want NATO and CIA firing n Pakistan or not? Or do you wnat them to fire as long as they kill baitullah? and Why will they not extract a price for this?

Be realistic, reasonable.

 

[IceCold]

Look guys, first we blame the US for tagetting individuals in Pakistani territory, then we ***** that they do not target Baitullah - don't you see contradiction in that?

Baitullah is Pakistan's problem and has been for a while, yet he still draws breath and pollutes the world by exhaling - how long will PAKISTAN allow this happen?

No Muse there is not contradiction in it. You are missing the whole point here.
Why is US differentiating between terrorism that is effecting Pakistan with what is effecting the US and NATO in afghanistan.
What Pakistan protested was what happened in Angora Adda with US troops landing on the ground and taking civilians out. How exactly is that comparable to when an ally gives the exact cordinates and ask US to take a high profound target involved in many terrorist activities inside Pakistan including the killing of an EX prime minister out because you have the capability to do so.
Clearly US did not do it showing that US was not interested, then if we agree to this theory then Mullah Omer isnt involved inside Pakistan, his actions and the actions of Haqani are towards afghanistan, so why are we bothered to take them out or perhaps why should we at the first place.
When Pakistan joined WOT, it meant not only cooperation from the Pakistani side but also from the US side. You cant clap with just one hand. ANd this exactly why the atmosphere of distrust has been placed between the two sides so much so that were on the brink of an armed conflict between the former two allies.

 

[IceCold]

Do you want NATO and CIA firing n Pakistan or not? Or do you wnat them to fire as long as they kill baitullah? and Why will they not extract a price for this?

Be realistic, reasonable.

Muse tell me something has the drones stoped firing inside Pakistan? If they have then we are completely wrong in asking the US or NATO to attack Mehsud since it will be an invitation, but the clear answer is no they are attacking targets of their choosing inside Pakistan. My point is why this choosing is going on? If it is indeed because Mehsuds actions does not hurt US/NATO, then the efforts of other taliban doesnt hurt Pakistan either since there attacks are all on US and NATO and not on Pakistan. And like we will never ever be allowed to take out terrorist targets including the ones given sancturaies within the afghan palace, why should we allow them to take it out inside Pakistan and this way we are justified to bring down the drones which violate our airspace.
Since we are not doing so, this means that anyone whos playing a doubious game here is the US. Its the US who needs to do more and we need to tell this straight to the face of Obama and others who encourage attacks inside Pakistan.Just like they wont tolerate attacks on their soliders from Pakistani side, we wont either from their side. Time to clear this issue with the americans have reached and we should not delay it.

 

[muse]

I'm not suggesting that there not something fishy about Baitullah (besides his so called name) and the fact that he seems to escape US targetting.

What I am saying is that Pakistan is capable of targetting Baitullah or anybody else for that matter.

No point in directing our attention to the obvious, something about Baituallha and CIA stinks, we all realize that - but beyond that, Pakistan want him dead and pakistan will have to do the dirty.

 

[maqsad]

The Pak govt and the Pak military need to stop taking bribes from the west and figure out how to function with dignity for their own country. This has to be one of the big factors in corrupting Pakistan to the point of civil war. The Pak army has been ordered by both Mushy and Zardari to attack and kill it's own citizens. Why? Why create a civil war in your country because you got bribed a few billion---do you not have the strength and intelligence to stand on your own two feet or is there so much anti-pakistan corruption within the govt itself that pakistan is doomed to split in two?

 

[Patriot]

The Pak govt and the Pak military need to stop taking bribes from the west and figure out how to function with dignity for their own country. This has to be one of the big factors in corrupting Pakistan to the point of civil war. The Pak army has been ordered by both Mushy and Zardari to attack and kill it's own citizens. Why? Why create a civil war in your country because you got bribed a few billion---do you not have the strength and intelligence to stand on your own two feet or is there so much anti-pakistan corruption within the govt itself that pakistan is doomed to split in two?

Talibans aren't Pakistani citizens AFAIK.Plus all Tribals area should be under GOP control.Allaqa Ghair system should be destroyed.

 

[IceCold]

The Pak govt and the Pak military need to stop taking bribes from the west and figure out how to function with dignity for their own country. This has to be one of the big factors in corrupting Pakistan to the point of civil war. The Pak army has been ordered by both Mushy and Zardari to attack and kill it's own citizens. Why? Why create a civil war in your country because you got bribed a few billion---do you not have the strength and intelligence to stand on your own two feet or is there so much anti-pakistan corruption within the govt itself that pakistan is doomed to split in two?

Dude if not all atleast have some respect and faith in some of your institutions for God sake. Everyone is not for sale and army is certainly not. Otherwise we would have not seen army standing up to the occasions to take out the US instrusions.

 

[muse]

U.S. permitted to launch only limited action: Kasuri
Updated at: 1930 PST, Sunday, September 28, 2008
KARACHI: Former foreign minister, Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri has said that Pakistan permitted the U.S. to launch only limited action within its territory.

Speaking in Geo News programme “Jawab Deh”, Khurshid Kasuri said it was not possible to allow U.S. to go to the extent that the latter wanted.

Regarding Kashmir issue, he said “India does not even want to see the face of Kashmiri leaders let alone holding dialogue with them”.

“Only U.S. is the real sovereign state in the world,” Kasuri said in reply to a question.

He said the war on terror will end immediately if we let Taliban establish their rule in Pakistan.

“Pakistan troops were trained to fight Indian troops and for guerilla war they will have to undergo fresh training”.

The former foreign minister said Pakistan will also be able to get civil nuclear technology.

 

[maqsad]

Dude if not all atleast have some respect and faith in some of your institutions for God sake. Everyone is not for sale and army is certainly not. Otherwise we would have not seen army standing up to the occasions to take out the US instrusions.

I do have faith in Pakistani institutions. In fact I made a thread about how Pakistani institutions rooted out corruption that even the US will not do in it's own country today:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/14639-biggest-ever-bank-fraud-pak-history.html


Also it is concerned patriots in the pak ISI and pak military who helped to throw the CIA/Mossad/RAW compromised dictator out of power and save pakistan. But that does not mean there is still not corruption. If corruption and treason is not exposed and people go to sleep then how will it be rooted out? The cleansing has just begun and nobody can afford to take a nap!

 

[maqsad]

Talibans aren't Pakistani citizens AFAIK.Plus all Tribals area should be under GOP control.Allaqa Ghair system should be destroyed.

What is a "taliban" anyway? I dunno anyone who calls themselves a taliban but it is a label for mullah pathans who are the "bad guys" and as a matter of fact are the taliban not an ISI creation in the first place? Before 1999 there was no risk of civil war in Pakistan but then Mushy came and together with NATO we see the Pak army creating a living hell in areas which were peaceful in Pakistan.

Well after almost a decade of Mushy rule suddenly Pakistan is close to civil war. Do we blame "the taliban" for this? Did it just happen by chance?

 

[Awesome]

U.S. permitted to launch only limited action: Kasuri
Updated at: 1930 PST, Sunday, September 28, 2008
KARACHI: Former foreign minister, Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri has said that Pakistan permitted the U.S. to launch only limited action within its territory.

Speaking in Geo News programme “Jawab Deh”, Khurshid Kasuri said it was not possible to allow U.S. to go to the extent that the latter wanted.

Regarding Kashmir issue, he said “India does not even want to see the face of Kashmiri leaders let alone holding dialogue with them”.

“Only U.S. is the real sovereign state in the world,” Kasuri said in reply to a question.

He said the war on terror will end immediately if we let Taliban establish their rule in Pakistan.

“Pakistan troops were trained to fight Indian troops and for guerilla war they will have to undergo fresh training”.

The former foreign minister said Pakistan will also be able to get civil nuclear technology.

Muse, what's the source of that article?

That's such a vague collection of one liners.

 

[Neo]

Its from "The News"

 

[Munir]

So GIlani is empty minded (ruled by Zardari the thief) and empty handed (no nation)...

More and more it becomes clear that either it is a setup which includes ppp in the deal or the fact that Pakistani is a dead nation at the moment. I doubt that it can stay this for more then 6 months. Obama is childish stupid when it comes to international politics and probably needs the jewish voters. McCain is a bit more wise but clearly wants the same voters by telling that Iran might be responsible for next holocaust. Palin is not better then Obama but surely a lot more dumber... She says the same as Obama while joining the opposite team... Hai Ghuda.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Although I agree with your post , the problem is who to deal with on the Afghan side. Also the afghans will not stop barking about the Durand line till such time that we fence the border.Let this game end once and for all.!!!
Araz

Fencing the border will not work in my opinion. Nothing can be done to solve anything as long as orders are being handed down by the US and our leaders are infatuated by the west to the point of shame (Zardari meeting Palin comes to mind).