Pakistani prisoner Shakirullah's brain, heart removed in India: post-mortem report

[Chhatrapati]

Is the prison being used to illegally harvest organs?

Dayum!

It's an ongoing murder investigation, internal organs like brain and heart are removed during autopsy (for every unnatural death) and are weighed, bagged, send to lab for analysis. The crime happened in India, and the case will be made on the evidence obtained from these samples along with the others.

Is it not how you do murder investigation in Pakistan?

 

[American Pakistani]

This shows who is real terrorist republic. Shame on India. Pakistan should pressurize UN to condemn and pass a resolution against this.

 

[Dubious]

Dayum!

It's an ongoing murder investigation, internal organs like brain and heart are removed during autopsy (for every unnatural death) and are weighed, bagged, send to lab for analysis. The crime happened in India, and the case will be made on the evidence obtained from these samples along with the others.

Is it not how you do murder investigation in Pakistan?

Ok let me spell it out.
indians CLAIM that the death was caused by stoning to death in prison not a pathological attack unless of course the Hindus who attacked him were the pathogens!

So taking the organs out and weighting them doesnt make sense at all! Brain is not always examined but since this was blunt forced trauma that is understandable they checked the head...But why remove the brain? And what tests are they STILL running after weeks?

All this would have been easily answered had the indians just handed over the reports as demanded UNLESS someone is hiding something!

Pathologists will preserve parts of any organs they dissect, particularly if they find something unusual or abnormal.

- So question is what was "unusual" in being stonned to death and the indians violating Geneva convention by not being able to protect a prisoner?

Is it not how you do murder investigation in Pakistan?

Question is how is it done in india?

This is how EVERY country on the planet does it:

"Following examination, the organs are either returned to the body (minus the pieces preserved for future work or evidence) or cremated, in accordance with the law and the family's wishes. The breastbone and ribs are also usually put back.

Prior to being sewn shut with the characteristic "baseball stitch," the body is lined with cotton wool or a similar material. If the organs are to be returned to the body, they are first placed in bags to prevent leakage. The body is then sewn shut, washed and prepared for the funeral director.

Bodies that have undergone autopsy are still able to have open-casket funerals, even in the case of brain autopsy: A casket pillow will hide the cranial cut."

https://www.livescience.com/32789-forensic-pathologist-perform-autopsy-csi-effect.html

And as per law/ Geneva convention: india should have protected him! Moreover, India should have returned everything AND the post mortem report! As per the family wishes, he should have been alive!

So my question again: Is india running an illegal organ operation in its prisons?

 

[BATMAN]

Most likely bloody RAW tortured him and label the prisoners for murder.

Any action from govt. besides restrain?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Ok let me spell it out.
indians CLAIM that the death was caused by stoning to death in prison not a pathological attack unless of course the Hindus who attacked him were the pathogens!

Oh boy...

My advice, read something about attaching internal organs of a Corpse. Under what circumstances it is done. Then you wouldn't have these questions.

So taking the organs out and weighting them doesnt make sense at all! Brain is not always examined but since this was blunt forced trauma that is understandable they checked the head...But why remove the brain? And what tests are they STILL running after weeks?

To know the exact cause of death.

All this would have been easily answered had the indians just handed over the reports as demanded UNLESS someone is hiding something!

Handed over what report exactly? You realize it takes weeks if not months for final post-mortem report to come out. Just how it is, given the number of cases pending.

Pathologists will preserve parts of any organs they dissect, particularly if they find something unusual or abnormal.

- So question is what was "unusual" in being stonned to death and the indians violating Geneva convention by not being able to protect a prisoner?

Stoned to death is the jailors version. What if he had actually died of a heart attack completely unrelated to the injury? Or someone drugged him before stoning him, worst, what if he actually died of medical negligence? This is general procedure in any murder investigation irrespective of his nationality. Don't make a mountain out of molehill.

Geneva convention applied to Sarabjith Singh too.

 

[Sugarcane]

I think it's standard procedure that parts like heart, lungs etc. aren't put back into body as these are sent to lab for forensic tests.

 

[Dubious]

Oh boy...

My advice, read something about attaching internal organs of a Corpse. Under what circumstances it is done. Then you wouldn't have these questions.

Might I suggest the same to you?

Read with the Geneva convention in mind!

Handed over what report exactly? You realize it takes weeks if not months for final post-mortem report to come out. Just how it is, given the number of cases pending.

Wow, india is THAT slow? ESP for a prisoner they handed back? I guess violating international law is becoming the profession of every indian on every level!

Stoned to death is the jailors version. What if he had actually died of a heart attack completely unrelated to the injury? Or someone drugged him before stoning him, worst, what if he actually died of medical negligence? This is general procedure in any murder investigation irrespective of his nationality. Don't make a mountain out of molehill.

It is a mountain! Breaching international laws! Treatments of prisoners is protected by UN laws!
Every member NEEDS to follow it!

Geneva convention applied to Sarabjith Singh too.

indian govt didnt come for him so you cant cry.

Case is not the same ....

I think it's standard procedure that parts like heart, lungs etc. aren't put back into body as these are sent to lab for forensic tests.

Yes and no...it depends on the case...MANY a times the brain isnt taken out. But if a head injury or medical problem - brain can be studied.

However, in this case we are not given the report, we can assume what we like until and unless indian govt shows us the report and what it did with the organs...You only need a tissue sample for tests not whole organs!

 

[Chhatrapati]

So my question again: Is india running an illegal organ operation in its prisons?

Evil Hindooo on Muslim organs. Typical line.

"Following examination, the organs are either returned to the body (minus the pieces preserved for future work or evidence) or cremated, in accordance with the law and the family's wishes. The breastbone and ribs are also usually put back.

I hope the state of New York is outside India for a reference.
https://nypost.com/2015/06/10/brains-dont-have-to-be-returned-to-bodies-after-autopsy-court/

Clearly, state of New York have judges who haven't read Live science page.

"Following examination, the organs are either returned to the body (minus the pieces preserved for future work or evidence) or cremated, in accordance with the law and the family's wishes. The breastbone and ribs are also usually put back.

Under normal circumstances. But under suspicious circumstances, it will not be returned. Bagged, tested, and disposed off.

Wishes of family comes secondary.

 

[Dubious]

I hope the state of New York is outside India for a reference.
https://nypost.com/2015/06/10/brains-dont-have-to-be-returned-to-bodies-after-autopsy-court/

Clearly, state of New York have judges who haven't read Live science page.

I didnt know NYC was a part of india...wasnt india using British laws....Well try reading those

2ndly did you even read that article?
I didnt know india is a state of the USA and following NYC's court order!

The consent of the family should be sought for the retention of organs, such as the brain, for forensic examination after the autopsy. A procedure for returning these organs to the next of kin after examination should be considered.

y Document the absence or presence of injuries to the external genital organs and anus (see “Specimens and ancillary investigations” below

- So please hand over the report!

After the internal examination the organs should be put back into the body. All incisions should be closed and the body should be handed over to the next of kin in a state of maximum possible integrity and respectful of the deceased person’s dignity

Since this implies not putting the brain back in the body immediately after the autopsy, formal retention of the organ should be considered only after consulting the family and securing their permission.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/publications/icrc-002-4126.pdf

So are you admitting indians broke the international laws?

Under normal circumstances. But under suspicious circumstances, it will not be returned. Bagged, tested, and disposed off.

So THAT is how it is done in india? Any proof of doing that?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Might I suggest the same to you?

Read with the Geneva convention in mind!

You may not, I'm not wrong.

Geneva convention do not specify how Autopsy should be done, but I haven't read it fully, maybe you can share it here where it says, during autopsy of a foreigner, the brain should be put back.

Wow, india is THAT slow? ESP for a prisoner they handed back? I guess violating international law is becoming the profession of every indian on every level!

Again, I have to point to cases of other countries. In most cases it takes months.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-post-mortem-pathology-report-How-long-does-it-take

I don't know what law we violated here?

indian govt didnt come for him so you cant cry.

Case is not the same ....

Irrespective of that, Geneva convention still applied. You can't twist it out of convenience.

Yes and no...it depends on the case...MANY a times the brain isnt taken out. But if a head injury or medical problem - brain can be studied.

However, in this case we are not given the report, we can assume what we like until and unless indian govt shows us the report and what it did with the organs...You only need a tissue sample for tests not whole organs!

So you accept brain can be attached. Why are you wasting my time arguing it then?

You will be given report eventually. (Maybe fast tracked given the high profile).

 

[Sugarcane]

However, in this case we are not given the report, we can assume what we like until and unless indian govt shows us the report and what it did with the organs...You only need a tissue sample for tests not whole organs!

I am not doctor all I know that few years ago, an Indian terrorist was killed in fight with inmates in prison. Indian media at that time went bonkers over missing organs, stopped screaming only when their own panel of doctors clarified to them that organs aren't put back into body after autopsy.

 

[Dubious]

You may not, I'm not wrong.

Geneva convention do not specify how Autopsy should be done, but I haven't read it fully, maybe you can share it here where it says, during autopsy of a foreigner, the brain should be put back.

You have no clue and you are babbling? In my books that is trolling! Thank you for admitting!

https://www.quora.com

is not really a science / international law preaching website ...no wonder you are uttering rubbish!

Irrespective of that, Geneva convention still applied. You can't twist it out of convenience.

When the govt was not interested in asking or "applying" any international convention, you cant cry about it!

Logic 101!

So you accept brain can be attached.

attached or detached? If it is attached we cant find it...

Why are you wasting my time arguing it then?

Oh I am not, I just feel sorry for the ignorant indians here who dont know anything yet blab their nonsense everywhere!

I am not doctor all I know that few years ago, an Indian terrorist was killed in fight with inmates in prison. Indian media at that time went bonkers over missing organs, stopped screaming only when their own panel of doctors clarified to them that organs aren't put back into body after autopsy.

Yes, as per the laws, it can be removed.

HOWEVER, when asked for them....the respective govt should be able to present a report to justify this!

2ndly this guy was no terrorist..

AND if any govt said xyz, we can challenge it coz it is our right to ask for a report AND anything else related to the case!

 

[Chhatrapati]

You have no clue and you are babbling? In my books that is trolling! Thank you for admitting!

haha troll warning.

I asked a simple question. If you don't like the tone, I can ask it politely (in your book of course). But I think you got the point.

is not really a science / international law preaching website ...no wonder you are uttering rubbish!

The live science you quoted is another author based source. The specific link also is author based source. You don't like it I'll give many examples of other populous countries.

When the govt was not interested in asking or "applying" any international convention, you cant cry about it!

Logic 101!

So, you can stone to death any foreigner who's government haven't said the G word.
As for India doing nothing, https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pak...it-singh-once-daily-starting-today-gov-520837

Logic 102.

attached or detached? If it is attached we cant find it...

attach brain means take out and bag.

Oh I am not, I just feel sorry for the ignorant indians here who dont know anything yet blab their nonsense everywhere!

Oh please. Just read back before I start quoting chronological changes in the way you answer. Makes it easy for me rather than quoting.

The nonsense is what the Geo tv published, and a bunch of peeps who take it as some serious conspiracy crap.

 

[Dubious]

maybe you can share it here where it says, during autopsy of a foreigner, the brain should be put back.

I shared the link...All you had to do was read it ...1 simple task

SO yes it is trolling if you cant help yourself and keep starting down the same stairway!

The live science you quoted is another author based source. The specific link also is author based source. You don't like it I'll give many examples of other populous countries.

Sure, give me an example of an autistic man imprisoned in another country and stoned to death and the country which FAILED to protect him refuses to hand over his report...

So, you can stone to death any foreigner who's government haven't said the G word.
As for India doing nothing, https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pak...it-singh-once-daily-starting-today-gov-520837

Logic 102.

So we agreed, did india give us the same opportunity? They wont even hand over a report!

attach brain means take out and bag.

and where is it?

Oh please. Just read back before I start quoting chronological changes in the way you answer. Makes it easy for me rather than quoting.

The nonsense is what the Geo tv published, and a bunch of peeps who take it as some serious conspiracy crap.

Hand over the report and the conspiracy will go away....I dont think it is that big of a deal unless india is hiding something AS USUAL!

I mean we are talking about a country that claimed airstrikes that killed 200-300 and ended up saying planes didnt even fly to Pakistan

 

[Chhatrapati]

I shared the link...All you had to do was read it ...1 simple task

SO yes it is trolling if you cant help yourself and keep starting down the same stairway!

Not of Geneva convention regarding post mortem procedure, if there is any.

I also gave another case of a road accident, where Brain is removed and not returned? So, I should accept only your sources and my sources are inadmissible and stupid. Livescience website is last word in autopsy.

So we agreed, did india give us the same opportunity? They wont even hand over a report!

No we won't hand over a report before we confirm the findings. Completely adhering to geneva conventions.

and where is it?

Probably in a lab or disposed off already. Don't know yet.

Hand over the report and the conspiracy will go away....I dont think it is that big of a deal unless india is hiding something AS USUAL!

We are not doing investigation so that conspiracy will go away.

I mean we are talking about a country that claimed airstrikes that killed 200-300 and ended up saying planes didnt even fly to Pakistan

Yawns* No official source made any such claims over death. Tangent replies from you, but we and Iran have this victim of terror emanating from Pakistan tag which insinuates us of trouble in doing such actions. And hello, we are talking about a country who's in the FATF grey list of countries financing terrorism have a good laugh now.

Is the prison being used to illegally harvest organs?

indians CLAIM that the death was caused by stoning to death in prison not a pathological attack

So taking the organs out and weighting them doesnt make sense at all!

Before you gave a thread ban (since you can't take opposing arguments). Here's the way you replied previously. From illegal organ harvesting through "why brain taken away, pathogens? to why brain should be weighed?

FFS how we should do autopsy of Pakistanis?

I'm out of here, this has crossed the nonsense threshold for today. Good night.