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Pakistani pilot Saiful Azam

In Six Days of War, the highly-regarded 2002 account authored by Israeli (now ambassador to the U.S.) Michael Oren with the aid of both Western and Arab sources, there is no mention of Pakistanis.

The Mystère shot down over Mafraq? The loss was attributed to ground fire - and the base's runways were destroyed along with 28 aircraft. The judgment of how it went down was apparently made by Arab witnesses including King Hussein (p. 187-188). As for the one that "crash-landed" in Israeli territory there is no mention.

The Mirages shot down over H-3 in Iraq? That happened on June 6, a day before Azam is said to have deployed there (p.226).

The final tally (p.306): "the IAF destroyed 469 enemy planes, fifty of them in dogfights" - while losing 36 planes and 18 pilots.
 
In Six Days of War, the highly-regarded 2002 account authored by Israeli (now ambassador to the U.S.) Michael Oren with the aid of both Western and Arab sources, there is no mention of Pakistanis.

The Mystère shot down over Mafraq? The loss was attributed to ground fire - and the base's runways were destroyed along with 28 aircraft. The judgment of how it went down was apparently made by Arab witnesses including King Hussein (p. 187-188). As for the one that "crash-landed" in Israeli territory there is no mention.

The Mirages shot down over H-3 in Iraq? That happened on June 6, a day before Azam is said to have deployed there (p.226).

The final tally (p.306): "the IAF destroyed 469 enemy planes, fifty of them in dogfights" - while losing 36 planes and 18 pilots.



Hi,

In the 80's---my history book in the university here in the u s did not mention the U2 taking off from pakistan----but rather it stated that it took off from turkey.

The book was published in the united states.
 
@Solomon2

There were also other encounters involving Pakistani pilots in the Arab/ Israeli conflicts that you may be oblivious to, here's a summary of all the kills achieved by the PAF pilots against the Israeli Air Force.

Pakistan Air Force vs Israeli Air Force

In a 2002 CNN interview, former US ambassador to Pakistan, called PAF pilots some of the best in the world, as good as the IAF pilots, may be even better. Now you know why. (H)

1967 Arab-Israeli 'Six-Day' War

RJAF and PAF were flying under a joint command. Flt. Lt. Saiful Azam became the only pilot from the Arab side to have shot down 3 IDF/AF aircraft within 72 hours and also the only pilot to have shot down 3 different aircraft types of the IDF/AF. He was, subsequently, decorated by Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Pakistan.

Note: Israel in a surprise pre-emptive attack destroyed virtually all of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground, with few Israeli casualties. Over 300 Egyptian aircraft were destroyed and 100 Egyptian pilots were killed, although the number of aircraft actually lost by the Egyptians is disputed. Among the Egyptian planes lost were all 30 Tu-16 bombers, as well as 27 out of 40 Il-28 bombers, 12 Su-7 fighter-bombers, over 90 MiG-21s, 20 MiG-19s, 25 MiG-17 fighters and around 32 assorted transport planes and helicopters. The Israelis lost 19 planes, mostly operational losses (mechanical failure, accidents, etc). The attack guaranteed Israeli air superiority for the rest of the war.

1973 Arab-Israeli 'Yom Kippur' War or Ramadan War or October War

During the war 16 PAF pilots volunteered to go to the Middle East in order to support Egypt and Syria but by the time they arrived, Egypt had already been pushed into a ceasefire. Syria remained in a state of war against Israel.

On 23 October 1973, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. M. Hatif on deputation to Egyptian Air Force (EAF) was flying a EAF MiG-21 in a defensive combat air patrol (CAP) over Egypt when he was vectored towards an intruding Israeli Air Force (IDF/AF) F-4 Phantom. In the ensuing dogfight, Flt. Lt. M. Hatif shot down the Israeli Phantom.

Eight (8) PAF pilots started flying out of Syrian Airbases; they formed the A-flight of 67 Squadron at Dumayr Airbase. The Pakistani pilots flew Syrian MiG-21 aircraft conducting CAP missions for the Syrians.

On 26 April 1974, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi on deputation to No. 67 Squadron, Syrian Air Force (SAF) was flying a SAF MiG-21FL Fishbed (Serial No. 1863) out of Dumayr Air Base, Syria in a two-ship formation with a fellow PAF pilot and the Flight Leader, Sqn. Ldr. Arif Manzoor. The Ground Controller, also a PAF officer, Sqn. Ldr. Salim Metla, vectored the two PAF pilots to a formation of 2 Israeli Air Force Mirage IIICJs and 2 F-4 Phantoms that had intruded into Syrian airspace over the Golan Heights. In the engagement that took place at 1532 hours, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi shot down an Israeli Mirage IIICJ using his MiG-21's R(K)-13 Air-to-Air Missile. The pilot of the downed Israeli Mirage was Capt. M. Lutz of No. 5 Air Wing, who ejected. The remaining Israeli fighters aborted the mission. The 2 IAF Mirage IIICJs were from Hatzor AFB and the 2 IAF F-4 Phantoms were from No. 1 Air Wing, Ramat David AFB, Israel.

Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, during the Yom Kippur War, to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat.He was honored by the Syrian government. Other aerial encounters involved Israeli F-4 Phantoms; Pakistan Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft during this war.

PAF vs IAF - Naseeb.com
 
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@Windjammer et al, it's like you can't read and understand, only regurgitate. How did that happen?
 
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It is kind of $tupid on our part to boast about 67 Arab-Israeli war.

Tiny Tiny Israel gave a huge drubbing to mighty Arab armies. So what if there were 10 Pakistani air force pilots in the theater. so what if one them comes home and says I shot down an Israeli plane.

Does that change the picture.

The war was clearly between two groups.

A. Egypt + Syria + Jordan + Iraq + Palestinian militants

And on the other side???


B. one and only one "Israel "

For an unemotional historian of wars here was the outcome.

Side-B beat the cr@p out of 10+ bigger Side-A.

Side-A lost HUGE areas, got their airforces utterly and completely destroyed.

Side-A literally got $hat upon by Israeli defense forces and air force.

And here we have so-called patriotic Pakistanis willingly eating that same $hit that Arabs ate.

Where is our self respect. Where the f it is?

then we wonder why Arabs treat us like salves.

Well they will, if we continue eating their $hit.

Disgusting!

utterly disgusting!
 
Tiny Israel is backed up by very big US of A, as Israel is the 51st state, in fact more than that. Israeli (AIPAC) control of US congress (House of Representatives) is a well established fact. So Israel was never tiny and never will be tiny. It will always be beyond the scope of any Muslim or Arab nations or groups of these nations to attack and win against Israel, today and for the foreseeable future.
 
Tiny Israel is backed up by very big US of A, as Israel is the 51st state, in fact more than that. Israeli (AIPAC) control of US congress (House of Representatives) is a well established fact. So Israel was never tiny and never will be tiny. It will always be beyond the scope of any Muslim or Arab nations or groups of these nations to attack and win against Israel, today and for the foreseeable future.

yeah yeah yeah.

-- Big bad America was on Israeli side. cry cry cry, weep weep weep.


Before you put these golden nuggets based on one sided and prejudiced view,

Did you ever consider?

Ever?

That the other Super Power aka Soviet Union was supplying all the latest weapons to Arabs?

I am sure you didn't read that side in your government school 3 grade history book. or you perhaps learned this golden history from your jama masjid mullah?

did you?

did you not?


for the nth time. Learn this!

Israeli soldiers and pilots were the ones who defeated 10 times bigger army. Not Americans.

Arab armies supported by Soviet Union were defeated by tiny Israeli army.

The credit goes to where it is due.

you ignore war history at your own peril.
 
yeah yeah yeah.

-- Big bad America was on Israeli side. cry cry cry, weep weep weep.


Before you put these golden nuggets based on one sided and prejudiced view,

Did you ever consider?

Ever?

That the other Super Power aka Soviet Union was supplying all the latest weapons to Arabs?

I am sure you didn't read that side in your government school 3 grade history book. or you perhaps learned this golden history from your jama masjid mullah?

did you?

did you not?


for the nth time. Learn this!

Israeli soldiers and pilots were the ones who defeated 10 times bigger army. Not Americans.

Arab armies supported by Soviet Union were defeated by tiny Israeli army.

The credit goes to where it is due.

you ignore war history at your own peril.

Soviets supplied Egypt and Syria with export versions of their weapons, and not with the numbers and types they demanded, and that's why Sadat cut off all ties with USSR. Israel destroyed all Arab air forces by surprise on the ground. Israel got the best of American arms with numbers they demanded.
 
Why is there this claim that "the Pakistani Air Force" flew against Israel in 1967 at all? By all accounts the Pakistanis never flew planes in Pakistani colors nor under the direction of PAF commanders.
 
Why is there this claim that "the Pakistani Air Force" flew against Israel in 1967 at all? By all accounts the Pakistanis never flew planes in Pakistani colors nor under the direction of PAF commanders.


Absolutely!

This is what I have been trying to say about these $tupid made up stories about PAF.

PAF was squarely in the American camp. We got the latest tech from Americans.

And thus our policies were pro-American and anti-Soviet union.

There is no way PAF commanders would have gone over to direct and guide Arab pilots.

there is no way PAF would have flown with its own colors against American Ally.


So just ignore these raves and rants.

Just disgusting efforts by some leftie-commies in Pakistan to brag and boast about something that was not to be mentioned. at all.


peace
 
I wonder why did PAF, a profession airforce let it's cadre's undertake mercenary missions in the middle east.
 
Pakistani Pilot: Flt Lt Sattar Alvi
Aircraft type: Syrian Air Force MiG-21F
Unit/Serial No. Serial No. 1863

Israeli Pilot: Captain M Lutz
Aircraft type: IDF/AF Mirage-IIICJ
Unit/Serial No. No 5 Air Wing based at Hatzor
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IDF / Air Force Aircraft Losses and Ejections by Aircraft Type-www.ejection-history.org.uk
Israeli pilot Lutz never existed and Israel did not lose any aircraft on 26 April 1974.
 
Absolutely!

This is what I have been trying to say about these $tupid made up stories about PAF.

PAF was squarely in the American camp. We got the latest tech from Americans.

And thus our policies were pro-American and anti-Soviet union.

There is no way PAF commanders would have gone over to direct and guide Arab pilots.

there is no way PAF would have flown with its own colors against American Ally.


So just ignore these raves and rants.

Just disgusting efforts by some leftie-commies in Pakistan to brag and boast about something that was not to be mentioned. at all.


peace

You're an interesting person, you just criticize everything. Nice to have a distinguished member though. :D
 
I wonder why did PAF, a profession airforce let it's cadre's undertake mercenary missions in the middle east.

It is pretty normal for Pakistani officers to serve as trainers and advisors with the middle eastern forces. My own family members have long history of working as military advisors in the gulf and Saudi.

My only issue is with the made up stories of Pakistani Airforce fighting in the Arab Israeli wars of 67 and 73.



peace
 
Many thanks to share that news with us. We the Paks are Proud of our Troops. <3
 
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