Pakistani Milgem Likely in Trouble

[Jigs]

Considering hundreds of Indian Su-30 and MiG-29s armed with BRAMOS, I dont see a reason for Pakistan to invest in advanced surface vessels. Better to buy from Turkey Anka UAV, T129 Helis, UMTAS anti tank missiles.

ASW would be the most logical choice for the investment. Does anyone know of those type 21s will be replaced by OHPs ? If not maybe the Milgem could come in there. Again though i don't like speculating. We need to see stuff signed first.

 

[Penguin]

Considering hundreds of Indian Su-30 and MiG-29s armed with BRAMOS, I dont see a reason for Pakistan to invest in advanced surface vessels. Better to buy from Turkey Anka UAV, T129 Helis, UMTAS anti tank missiles.

Groos overstatement of capability.

1. There may be hundreds of Indian Su-30 and Mig-29, but they aren't all directed towards Pakistan and of those that are, by far not all will be carrying Brahmos.
2. The air launched, anti-ship variant is still under development, with completion expected only in 2012. Since series production is yet to start, it will be some time before adequate numbers of missiles are available.
3. India and Russia intend to make 2,000 BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles over the next ten years through their joint venture company, and nearly 50 percent of them are expected to be exported to friendly countries. That would leave 1000 for Indian and Russian inventories over the coming 10 years. So, assuming a 50/50 split, that means a production run of some 500 for India, of all versions (not just the airlaunched version). Meaning perhaps 250 airlaunched missiles over 10 years, or 25 per year. Starting 2012.
BrahMos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cabatli_53]

That is what CNN Türk news reported in yesterday;

The navies of Pakistan, Ukraine, Canada and a number of South American countries have expressed interest in acquiring MİLGEM class warships. The Pakistan Navy will acquire four MİLGEM class corvettes over a 10-year program, of which 3 will be manufactured in local shipyards.

A Pakistani member who saw this news in a forum uploaded this video to youtube.

 

[monitor]

how they will designate milgem as corvet or frigate ?

 

[Jigs]

how they will designate milgem as corvet or frigate ?

This is a corvette. There will be another version that has a slightly larger hull and MK-41VLS and that will be classified under the F-100 Frigate name.

 

[Rafi]

Turkey's defence industry is maturing to the extent that it is on the world stage, by the way the music on the Milgem video is one of my favourite peace's of classical music.

 

[Jigs]

If anyone is wondering what all the weapons systems are


Guns:

1 x 76 mm (retractable for lower radar cross section, guidance by fire control radar and electro-optical systems), A position
2 x 12.7 mm Aselsan STAMP Stabilized Machine Gun Platform (guidance by Laser/IR/TV and electro-optical systems, automatic and manual modes), B position

Anti-surface missiles:

8 x Harpoon

Anti-aircraft missiles:

21 x RAM (PDMS)

Torpedoes:

2 x 324 mm Mk.32 triple launchers for Mk.46 torpedoes

Hangar and platform for:

S-70-B2 Seahawk ASW helicopters
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV)
Capability of storing armaments, 20 tons of JP-5 aircraft fuel,
aerial refueling (HIRF) systems and maintenance systems


Milgem class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rafi]

If anyone is wondering what all the weapons systems are


Guns:

1 x 76 mm (retractable for lower radar cross section, guidance by fire control radar and electro-optical systems), A position
2 x 12.7 mm Aselsan STAMP Stabilized Machine Gun Platform (guidance by Laser/IR/TV and electro-optical systems, automatic and manual modes), B position

Anti-surface missiles:

8 x Harpoon

Anti-aircraft missiles:

21 x RAM (PDMS)

Torpedoes:

2 x 324 mm Mk.32 triple launchers for Mk.46 torpedoes

Hangar and platform for:

S-70-B2 Seahawk ASW helicopters
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV)
Capability of storing armaments, 20 tons of JP-5 aircraft fuel,
aerial refueling (HIRF) systems and maintenance systems


Milgem class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All of that in a stealthy and ergonomic package, this is going to be one hell of an asset.

 

[500]

And Pakistan will sit empty hand right? By the time Milgem is inducted PN will have most of its OHP operational with most probably MK13 retained. Meaning SM-2 will likely be its primary AAW weapon which will be more then capable enough to engage any AShM or CM.

Only country that upgrades OHP to SM-2 is Australia. They spent already over 300 $ per ship (thats about price of 214 sub) but they are not operational still. More over, even SM-2 ships are very vulnerable to aviation: AWACS flying from over 400 km can direct jets flying at low altitude.

 

[Materialistic]

Why is navy made to suffer everytime!! Why don't they just do it at once. Disband the navy!!

And put one Canon of 18th century for every kilometer of our coastal line!!( a total of 1000 canons, what a saving!!!)

Our gov and forces seem to be over secure about our naval frontlines!

 

[Areesh]

Why is navy made to suffer everytime!! Why don't they just do it at once. Disband the navy!!

And put one Canon of 18th century for every kilometer of our coastal line!!( a total of 1000 canons, what a saving!!!)

Our gov and forces seem to be over secure about our naval frontlines!

No need to hit the wall because it was a report that this Milgem deal might be in trouble after the floods catastrophe but if we go by the latest pics and news the deal is still active and alive. Milgem deal is alive and hopefully would join PN according to the plans. It was just an ordinary news report after all.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Only country that upgrades OHP to SM-2 is Australia. They spent already over 300 $ per ship (thats about price of 214 sub) but they are not operational still. More over, even SM-2 ships are very vulnerable to aviation: AWACS flying from over 400 km can direct jets flying at low altitude.

So that means PN FFGs cant be upgraded with SM-2 because their is only one country with that upgrade? pfff.. RAN FFG had to get its hull lengthened, sonar replaced by domestic once and many other unnecessary systems which had nothing to do with AAW.
And one should not judge the capability by just its cost.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No cut in Pakistan's defence expenditure: Kaira

no cuts ... no worries

No cut in Pakistan's defence expenditure: Kaira
2010-11-12 17:50:00
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In the wake of external and internal challenges to Pakistan, there will be no cut in the nation's defence expenditure, Information and Broadcasting Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira has said.

Kaira made these comments while addressing a press conference along with Finance and Economic Affairs Minister Dr Abdul Hafeez Sheikh, the Daily Times reported.

The minister reiterated that without enhancing taxes, Pakistan could not prosper or meet its economic needs.

"If some people want to cut the defence expenditures, they should come and discuss for reaching a unanimous decision", he added.

The minister said that the present government had sincerely worked on the administrative, law and economic sectors for the development of the country.

"We want to move forward through reforms from a developing to a developed nation," he added. (ANI)
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[Penguin]

Only country that upgrades OHP to SM-2 is Australia. They spent already over 300 $ per ship (thats about price of 214 sub) but they are not operational still. More over, even SM-2 ships are very vulnerable to aviation: AWACS flying from over 400 km can direct jets flying at low altitude.

Most of the cost of the Aussie upgrade is not so much in the SM2 but in upgrades to the combat management system and sensors. And their navy is not just buying 'off the shelf' items but also developing tailored domestic solutions.

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The Adelaide Class upgrade program has a number of elements, but the 3 most important are (1) a new combat and fire control system with an upgraded long-range air search radar, (2) improved air defense missiles, and (3) an upgraded sonar suite that includes both a new hull-mounted sonar and integration of towed sonars into a common data picture. Their goal was to create ships that would remain able to defend the fleet against aerial attacks, including supersonic anti-ship missiles that are beginning to appear in the region. The other regional trend involves a growing number of quiet diesel-electric submarines being purchased by nations near Australia’s sea lanes. Hence the need for ships with better anti-submarine capabilities.

Australia’s Hazard(ous) Frigate Upgrade

The issues

• Towed and on-board sonar sensors could not be integrated, he claimed, significantly hampering submarine detection.
• Long range chaff could not be used
• Datalinks to the onboard S-70 Seahawk helicopters were not functioning
• The electronic support measures that find enemy radars are not working properly
• The ships’ radars are alleged to be inadequate.

Most of these issues (except radar) have little if anything to do with the SM2 capability per se.

 

[Penguin]

So that means PN FFGs cant be upgraded with SM-2 because their is only one country with that upgrade? pfff.. RAN FFG had to get its hull lengthened, sonar replaced by domestic once and many other unnecessary systems which had nothing to do with AAW.
And one should not judge the capability by just its cost.

Hull lengtening? Huh? Nah, just installing a VLU forward.