Pakistani man carried out bombing near US consulate in Jeddah: Saudi ministry

[laphroaig]

He was living in Saudi Arabia for past 12 years. That explains where he was indoctrinated.

A reasonable assumption.

But why would the Saudis indoctrinate someone to attack themselves man?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Someone had to pay. I am one of those who felt that not enough paid.

Of course you are right. But did you mean that the wrong people should pay? You run over a dog, your brother gets fined and jailed, you get away scot-free. Which part of that do you support?

A would-be fidayeen was neutralized.

SHAMEFUL.

It was you who talked of preventive detention. What happened? You couldn't detain a young woman just out of her teens? You had to have her drugged, taken out to a deserted spot, and shot in cold blood by a ring of policemen? Indian democracy died a bit that day.

Again, I bring in the US. Forget Russia and China.

There are issues where lawyers never come in.

True.

Now name me the issues where justice and the rule of law do not come in.

Would they do the same to the bomber in India? Give him legal recourse?
I suspect you know there is nothing India can do or has done that would come close to what would follow.

Ask yourself that, and answer it yourself. Why are we proud of being Indian? Would you rather live in Pakistan? or in Saudi Arabia?

I'll happily take my words back the next time someone warns the general populace about an impending attack.
Or turns over an obviously radicalized youth planning an attack.

You don't have to. You can shift to a police state like North Korea, or worse, the PRC (pronounced - oh, well, never mind). Or Russia.

You mentioned the US. When did someone warn the general populace about an impending attack, in the US? When did someone turn over an obviously radicalised youth planning a mass killing in his school, for instance?

So what's the hue and cry about? Let the authorities do their job. If there is something more afoot, let people disappear. Why do you want to waste our time and already strained resources? Are we Norway?

There is a process. And it is not the non-process followed by Chhappanincheshwar or his toadying bastard, Amit Shah.

Nothing at all. Terrorists deserve nor get none of the above.

Well, that is what is happening today. All over.

Do you deny the competence of the people in charge to do their jobs? Do you doubt their integrity?
There are two men outside your bedroom door at night. Both have guns.
One is RSN Singh. The other is Yakub Memon.
Will you be calling a lawyer Joe?

No.

But I will be calling the police. In both cases. I doubt the integrity of RSN Singh if he said what he said. I know enough bent police officers, and I also know the finest of his breed, who practised what he preached and brought us through. He was a favourite of both our Field Marshals, by the way. I add that for historical interest. The first one scarfed his chicken curry, the second one bollocked his Major Generals (he was then the GOC-in-C Eastern Command) for completing an exercise he had set in three times the time that this officer took.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it. I know the difference, and it is huge

 

[laphroaig]

@Joe Shearer

I'll run along home now. Tour de France beckons.

But will reply. Either here or elsewhere ....

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

I'll run along home now. Tour de France beckons.

But will reply. Either here or elsewhere ....

tYou keep scaring the hell out of me. You have the advantage of me on the open forum, but you'll catch it in the neck elsewhere as sure as God made little green apples.

I know what I'll do. I'll set @jbgt90 on you.

 

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@Joe Shearer

I'll run along home now. Tour de France beckons.

But will reply. Either here or elsewhere ....

Welcome

 

[neem456]

There were three bombings, why only publish his identity and the others kept quite?

That is a valid question.
And that is to be answered by saudi ministry and saudi media.

 

[Areesh]

A reasonable assumption.

But why would the Saudis indoctrinate someone to attack themselves man?

Not saudis. Some local radial group.

 

[laphroaig]

Not saudis. Some local radial group.

Sectarian? Iran?

 

[Anees]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ah-suicide-bomber-was-Pakistani-national.html

Jeddah suicide bomber was Pakistani national

Abdullah Qalzar Khan (Photo courtesy: Saudi Gazette)
Saudi Gazette, JeddahTuesday, 5 July 2016
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The security spokesman of the Saudi Interior Ministry stated that the suicide bomber who blew himself up early Monday morning in Jeddah was an expatriate Pakistani named Abdullah Qalzar Khan.

He was born in Pakistan and resided in the city of Jeddah with his wife and her parents. He came to Saudi Arabia 12 years ago to work as a private driver.

Deputy Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman on Monday received a telephone call from Pakistani army Chief Gen. Raheel Sharif.

The Pakistani official expressed condemnation by Pakistan of the terrorist act that targeted the vicinity of the Prophet's Mosque in Madinah. He also stated Pakistan's full support for the kingdom.


@WaLeEdK2
@maximuswarrior

Post 88 For You ..

https://defence.pk/threads/banglade...haka-terror-attack.437693/page-6#post-8435290

 

[A2Z]

I am sorry to bust ur bubble, but ndtv has the video of the advisor making the claim. And it has been posted on the thread u r referring ro.
Indian media just reported that video without making their own assertions.

As far as the incident and the involvement is concerned, i am sorry to say that of the pakistani members aren't ready to accept that a pakistani was involved, or feel offended that an indian has posted the op.

Well the dhaka attackers were followers of the fool zakir naik, and almost every indian in the forum has criticised the fool and accepted that he may very well have been the inspiration.

Hiding behind conspiracy theories is not gonna help solve the problem

Your comment is understandable but both wrong and unfortunate. Insinuations regarding Pakistan's involvement were made; they were picked up, and the implicit content was made explicit. A storm then broke out, and the Indians who reported the original remark and the newspaper reproduction immediately became the cads of the episode.

Not at all the simplistic way it is being reported.

Well to be fair I don't have a problem with the either the news or the poster, but the problem is the attitude that is followed by such news. In case of everyone the policy is innocent until proved guilty but as soon as Pakistan is mentioned policy is guilty until proved innocent. Now this is something that I find irritating

I think almost everyone on this forum knows that the lights of NDTV and Arnub Goswami are some sources that cannot be trusted as both are known to just speak without having a solid base or credibility. This was seen in Dhaka's case as well. I don't understand how can NDTV relay on a source that took a U turn as soon as it felt some heat. Moreover in Dhaka's case it is also in news that the attackers were very much influenced by Zakir Naik, that doesn't mean we should go crazy and start quoting that "India is spreading terror on its neighboring soil with the help of people like Zakir Naik". That is not true and if someone is doing such a thing then is becoming a source of pure BS.

Hope I am clear with my point.
Cheers and Eid Mubarak

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

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[DesiGuy1403]

It was you who talked of preventive detention. What happened? You couldn't detain a young woman just out of her teens? You had to have her drugged, taken out to a deserted spot, and shot in cold blood by a ring of policemen? Indian democracy died a bit that day.

Must disagree on this Joe.

Sequence of what happened.
1. IB under Congress govt reaches out with the information to Guj police
2. After careful planning, in collaboration with IB under Congress, the threat is neutralized
3. The terrorist organizations dutifully claimed the martyrs as theirs.

Now the guess work here is that Police caught these people and killed them in Fake encounter.
But what if that is not true and it was a genuine one?

That this lady was a terrorist is now beyond question.
By repeatedly targeting IB and Police for good work they have done, we do a disservice to everyone.

And I strongly object to your line of her being out of her teens. That is irrelevant except to gain sympathy. The boys who slit throats in Dhaka were just out of their teens as well. I am sure BD and all the families of people who died in that cafe are now wishing that BD police would have a Guj Police ala Ishrat on these "boys".

Damned if you stop an attack and damned if you don't stop an attack. That sums up the prevalent situation of intelligence personal in our country.

But I will be calling the police.

And why should the police respond to you?
After all, you will shout the next morning that they have killed a young lady just out her teens, even if it is during the process of saving your life.

 

[Nilgiri]

Must disagree on this Joe.

Sequence of what happened.
1. IB under Congress govt reaches out with the information to Guj police
2. After careful planning, in collaboration with IB under Congress, the threat is neutralized
3. The terrorist organizations dutifully claimed the martyrs as theirs.

Now the guess work here is that Police caught these people and killed them in Fake encounter.
But what if that is not true and it was a genuine one?

That this lady was a terrorist is now beyond question.
By repeatedly targeting IB and Police for good work they have done, we do a disservice to everyone.

And I strongly object to your line of her being out of her teens. That is irrelevant except to gain sympathy. The boys who slit throats in Dhaka were just out of their teens as well. I am sure BD and all the families of people who died in that cafe are now wishing that BD police would have a Guj Police ala Ishrat on these "boys".

Damned if you stop an attack and damned if you don't stop an attack. That sums up the prevalent situation of intelligence personal in our country.



And why should the police respond to you?
After all, you will shout the next morning that they have killed a young lady just out her teens, even if it is during the process of saving your life.

There is no verifiable sequence of events (that a neutral party can know of ) since everything is shrouded in so much mystery and deception.

Sad to see Joe take one set of claims as the total honest complete truth.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well to be fair I don't have a problem with the either the news or the poster, but the problem is the attitude that is followed by such news. In case of everyone the policy is innocent until proved guilty but as soon as Pakistan is mentioned policy is guilty until proved innocent. Now this is something that I find irritating

I think almost everyone on this forum knows that the lights of NDTV and Arnub Goswami are some sources that cannot be trusted as both are known to just speak without having a solid base or credibility. This was seen in Dhaka's case as well. I don't understand how can NDTV relay on a source that took a U turn as soon as it felt some heat. Moreover in Dhaka's case it is also in news that the attackers were very much influenced by Zakir Naik, that doesn't mean we should go crazy and start quoting that "India is spreading terror on its neighboring soil with the help of people like Zakir Naik". That is not true and if someone is doing such a thing then is becoming a source of pure BS.

Hope I am clear with my point.
Cheers and Eid Mubarak

If your point is about the malicious and irresponsible reporting, and not about the hapless person who reproduced it here, I quite agree with you.

Eid Mubarak to you too.

Must disagree on this Joe.

Sequence of what happened.
1. IB under Congress govt reaches out with the information to Guj police
2. After careful planning, in collaboration with IB under Congress, the threat is neutralized
3. The terrorist organizations dutifully claimed the martyrs as theirs.

Now the guess work here is that Police caught these people and killed them in Fake encounter.
But what if that is not true and it was a genuine one?

That this lady was a terrorist is now beyond question.
By repeatedly targeting IB and Police for good work they have done, we do a disservice to everyone.

And I strongly object to your line of her being out of her teens. That is irrelevant except to gain sympathy. The boys who slit throats in Dhaka were just out of their teens as well. I am sure BD and all the families of people who died in that cafe are now wishing that BD police would have a Guj Police ala Ishrat on these "boys".

Damned if you stop an attack and damned if you don't stop an attack. That sums up the prevalent situation of intelligence personal in our country.

There is a plethora of evidence, including from those present, about the cold-blooded murder that took place. Nobody has empowered either the IB under Congress or the Gujarat Police to kill an Indian citizen, or any other citizen, except in a genuine shooting match.

The rest of your post beggars description. There is no need to bring in the good work that intelligence agencies do. They are supposed to do precisely that. They are not supposed to murder.

And why should the police respond to you?
After all, you will shout the next morning that they have killed a young lady just out her teens, even if it is during the process of saving your life.

Because it is their duty to respond, not their choice. And it is their duty to respond within the rules of the law of the land, not something of their own devising.

And they killed Ishrat Jahan not in the process of saving anyone's life, but after she and others killed there had been detained for days. They were no risk any longer, they had in fact been neutralised.

There is no verifiable sequence of events (that a neutral party can know of ) since everything is shrouded in so much mystery and deception.

Sad to see Joe take one set of claims as the total honest complete truth.

Not claims; evidence.

There is a difference.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

There is a plethora of evidence, including from those present, about the cold-blooded murder that took place. Nobody has empowered either the IB under Congress or the Gujarat Police to kill an Indian citizen, or any other citizen, except in a genuine shooting match.

The rest of your post beggars description. There is no need to bring in the good work that intelligence agencies do. They are supposed to do precisely that. They are not supposed to murder

And that's what I am contesting you on.

Remember Batla House Encounter. A Policeman Died in that.
Difference is, no Police died in Ishrat and 3 other terrorists encounter. Would a policeman being killed satisfy our thirst in accepting the "truth"?

Point though, there is clear evidence that she was a terrorist. Hence, without any obvious evidence, which is proven in courts that there was malicious intent on part of govt machinery, I would give them the benefit of doubt.

And no, I don't think govt killing terrorists who are planning to kill innocents is murder.

Because it is their duty to respond, not their choice. And it is their duty to respond within the rules of the law of the land, not something of their own devising

It looks like the duty is one way street.
Where is the "duty" of citizen to back and protect the police who is protecting them?

Look at how IB officer Mani was put through hell so that Congress could frame BJP on Ishrat.