Pakistani Hindus Facing Forced Conversions (The News Ed, 19 Sep 2009)

[faisal4pro]

a stupid propaganda! the news is famous for that!

 

[fhassan]

I was wondering what the reaction of pakistani members would have been had the situation been reversed say

Muslims being forced to become hindus or christians in India

What is there to wonder about my dear?

Our reaction would be exactly the same:

Hinduism / Christianity is a belief system and you cannot force an individual to adopt it. They would declare that they are Christian / Hindu in order to save themselves, however their heart would reject such a notion.

 

[arihant]

What is there to wonder about my dear?

Our reaction would be exactly the same:

Hinduism / Christianity is a belief system and you cannot force an individual to adopt it. They would declare that they are Christian / Hindu in order to save themselves, however their heart would reject such a notion.

No, it cannot be rejected. Their sons and daughter will be teach different religion and he has to adopt that. Don't you know converting back to Hindu means getting killed if I have good knowledge of law.

 

[fhassan]

No, it cannot be rejected. Their sons and daughter will be teach different religion and he has to adopt that.

If you seriously believe that an individual can be forced to adopt a creed they had no intention of adopting, a consequence of which would be offspring who also follow that forced-upon belief system; totally unaware of course that their parents were forced to follow such a creed to begin with, and could not openly declare their reservations in public because they were monitored for the rest of their miserable lives, living a lie; if this is what you are proposing then you are a clown that belongs in the circus, or have become as docile as the cows you hold holy.

Take your pick.

Don't you know converting back to Hindu means getting killed if I have good knowledge of law.

Indeed – some Muslims advocate the death penalty for those who openly rebel against Islam after having accepted it, however in a court of shariah law a forced conversion is not recognised as a declaration of faith to begin with.

Remember, in Islam you are not allowed to take the law into your own hands – it all has to go through court. Whether or not people with Muslim names follow Islam, however, is a different matter.

 

[M-Phoenix]

Forced conversions
Saturday, September 19, 2009

The parents of a young Hindu nurse, who disappeared over a month ago after leaving her Karachi home for the welfare hospital where she worked, continue their search for the daughter. So far their efforts have proved futile. They are not alone. The Sindh Assembly was told in its last session that during the last four months of the current year, 30 to 35 members of minority communities – most of them Hindu – had been kidnapped; eighteen girls had converted to Islam and one was killed. The fate of the others is presumably unknown.

The pattern is one that has accelerated sharply in recent years. Christians in Punjab have made similar complaints centred around the issue of young girls, some mere teenagers, who have been forced to convert and marry Muslim men. The details compiled by rights groups indicate that the life of such women is often grim. Some have tried to escape, others have been murdered. This is one part of the growing violence against minorities that we are seeing. The matter needs to be paid urgent attention to. No society so deeply fractured by sectarian divide can blossom. Pakistan must prove it is a state capable of offering a safe place to live for all its citizens. This, after all, is the vision that was laid out by the founder of the nation. It is our duty, as citizens, to ensure that it is turned into reality.

This is why ignorance is such a dangerous thing. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion, whcih means, No person is under compulsion to accept Islam. It is sad sad thing to see such actions happening, even if they are Mushriks.

 

[MilesTogo]

So, if a person willingly embraces Islam and later willingly wants to leave Islam - then he must be punished by death. Is that right?

Indeed – some Muslims advocate the death penalty for those who openly rebel against Islam after having accepted it, however in a court of shariah law a forced conversion is not recognised as a declaration of faith to begin with.

Remember, in Islam you are not allowed to take the law into your own hands – it all has to go through court. Whether or not people with Muslim names follow Islam, however, is a different matter.

 

[M-Phoenix]

So, if a person willingly embraces Islam and later willingly wants to leave Islam - then he must be punished by death. Is that right?

If they are in an Islamic State which applies the Law of Allah 'azza wa-jall , and they make their apostacy public, then the hadd punishment which is death, will be applied. That is however, after they've been given 3 days by the court to clear up any doubts the person may have, if that person repents then they are left alone, if not, the punishment will then be implemented.

It is haram for any Muslim to take the law into his own hands and kill an apostate.

Ibn Muflih al-Hanbali rahimahullaah said in al-Furoo’ (6/53): It is haram for anyone to carry out a hadd punishment except the ruler or his deputy. This is something on which the fuqaha’ of Islam are unanimously agreed, as was stated in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (5/280): The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that the one who should carry out hadd punishments is the ruler or his deputy, whether the punishment is transgressing one of the limits of Allaah, may He be exalted, such as zina, or a transgression against another person, such as slander. End quote.

 

[ARSENAL6]

I was wondering what the reaction of pakistani members would have been had the situation been reversed say

Muslims being forced to become hindus or christians in India

That happens every time
in India, USA, Most of Europe, Israel, Iraq and Afganistan

Muslim are redicule and forced to give up islam and forced to be something else usualy they fail.

 

[MilesTogo]

This is an excellent retention strategy.

If they are in an Islamic State which applies the Law of Allah 'azza wa-jall , and they make their apostacy public, then the hadd punishment which is death, will be applied. That is however, after they've been given 3 days by the court to clear up any doubts the person may have, if that person repents then they are left alone, if not, the punishment will then be implemented.

It is haram for any Muslim to take the law into his own hands and kill an apostate.

 

[greatsequence]

Most Pakistani's here believe Turkey to be an Islamic country, when it is miles away from the same......

I have a lot of Turkish friends and let me tell you that turkish people are the closest to Pakistanis after Indian and Bengali Muslims. Forget about Istanbul and Ankara and you will be able to see things correctly.

 

[greatsequence]

I think this is seriously being exaggerated. English Press has a habit of potraying itself to be liberal and pro minority. An year or so back 3 hindu sisters from Nawabshah sind reverted to Islam and took refuge in a Madrassah in karachi because their family did not allow them to practice Islam. The matter became public and Asma Jahangir and Human rights organisations were shouting the same slogan of "forceful conversion". The eldest of the sister was even engaged before she was reverted.
Another problem is the love marriage of young couples. As hindus and muslims can not marry according to Islam so in pakistan being an overwhelming Muslim majority country Hindus usually revert to Islam. And we all know that in love marriage cases where the girls leave home, the casse registered in Police station is always of kidnapping. This is the very reason that the statistics shown in the parliament show "kidnapped".

 

[TOPGUN]

The hindus have np in Pakistan nor do any of our other races stop maken a big deal about bs stories ....

 

[haawk]

a question for all people who say you cannot convert anyone to islam by force...............

do you know how aurengazeb - the mughal emperor converted people to islam?..........


there are people converting to christianity for money,........there is no faith here......its just self preservation....by converting to either escape porverty or death.........

 

[Peshwa]

I have a lot of Turkish friends and let me tell you that turkish people are the closest to Pakistanis after Indian and Bengali Muslims. Forget about Istanbul and Ankara and you will be able to see things correctly.

Sorry mate.....
Im not sure about the folks in Germany, but every Turk I have met here in the US and trust me, we had a lot of Turks in my school, were
a) extremely liberal
b) non-religious
c) Did not follow a single tenant of Islam (If you know what I mean)....

But every country has its anomalies and maybe I met the outliers....but from my expirience Turks tend to blend very easily in Western society due to these factors......best example is why they are being considered for the EU

Though I do concur....that Pakistani's and Turks get along very well and the two societies are quite fond of each other.....my personal expirience...

 

[M_Saint]

There have been many instances where Non muslims were forced to convert to Islam.

Cite a few please.