Pakistani High court orders Musharraf's arrest.

[Sedqal]

Why single out the Army generals trying to help avoid the Country from being run into the ground? Who has served time in this godforsaken country of ours? Can you name me anyone? The certified thieves who loot from the poor and the wretched are running again and walking around freely yet the holding of the constitution in abeyance suddenly becomes a crime that is unforgivable. I know one thing very clearly, on the day of reckoning, people would not be questioned for holding the constitution in abeyance, rather they will be asked about how the rights of the people were handled. They will be asked about how they filled up their coffers with the wealth of the nation. This is the basis of justice. Not some piece of paper that we ourselves have crafted and make changes to as and when we feel necessary (there goes the false argument about the constitution being sacrosanct).

Army should be singled out in this instance. They have specialized in coups and frankly that is becoming a headache. From Ayub to Yahya to Zia and Musharraf - 35 years of this nation down the drain. The 'real thiefs' as you put them have been hand picked and carefully groomed by PA and have been a part of every Dictatorship.

This country is in this position some 80% due to Army. FORTY THOUSAND dead a civil war in Baluchistan and one about to erupt in KPK. I don't think Indian army would have damaged the social fabric of Pakistan as much as PA did.

That piece of paper is the basis of 'discipline' for the whole country and every institute. Its funny that a known sadist and alcohol abuser - who made the unique record of being in a bed fondling his mistresses while his country broke into two - was given a proper Army burial because you know discipline of the forces (country be damned) but when it comes to the constitution the backbone and guiding principle for the whole state you demean it by calling it a mere 'piece of paper'.

Interests of this nation take priority over interests of an organization. PA should not expect any more chances after 35 years of failing miserably in safeguarding Pakistan's interests. Musharraf is a criminal and should be treated as one.

 

[Developereo]

They did toe his line earlier... what prevented from taking a moral stand then?

My understanding is that Musharraf declared the state of emergency, Iftikhar Chaudhry challenged it, he and others were arrested, and the remaining judges complied with Musharraf.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Awesome]

I don't know the procedure in Pakistan on who has the authority to suspend the constitution and declare a state of emergency. If the SC has that authority, then the judges acted within the law. That, in no way, excuses Musharraf's actions to send the army to arrest SC judges who refused to toe his line.

To suspend the constitution was Musharraf the President's right.

To stay that order was the judges right

Welcome to Pakistani politics.

 

[blain2]

Funny. To me the detention of judges is the issue since everything else depends on that act.

It's like this: someone commits a crime, judge finds him guilty so he has the judge 'neutralized' and another judge sets him free.

Do you consider this behavior acceptable? From the country's top official?

Well then all this talk about "making an example" is nothing but personal vindictiveness, because nobody is interested in figuring out why the Army took over in 1999 and why the Country's Supreme Court allowed it to do so. What you, and many others, are concerned with is to see the General punished, yet fine with letting those who abetted in this process go free and call it a day.

Given the unfairness and lack of sincerity in the overall approach here, my own take is that Musharraf should squeeze every last drop of the overseas support he has to get out of this mess because its nothing more than a witch hunt. It won't set anything right. So he should work the Army channels, get foreign interlocutors to put pressure on the judiciary and get out of the Country.

 

[Awesome]

My understanding is that Musharraf declared the state of emergency, Iftikhar Chaudhry challenged it, he and others were arrested, and the remaining judges complied with Musharraf.

Am I missing something here?

He declared and emergency, which suspended the constitution and gave him executive powers, then he fired the judges. Judges stayed the emergency.

What comes first, chicken or the egg?

 

[Chrome9]

To suspend the constitution was Musharraf the President's right.

To stay that order was the judges right

Welcome to Pakistani politics.

Jiski Lathi Uski Bhens .. it's whoever's way things are going.. that's which way the decision will go. The judges have their head (Iftikhar Chaudry) and a supportive lawyers wing and media on their side. Musharraf isn't the president and army support isn't clear. His political support is a lot less than he thought. Looks like the judges are in a position of strength here unless Kiyani steps in.

 

[Awesome]

IHC is going for the death penalty I suppose - not for Article 6 but for ordering the judges house arrest.

The ruling of the court said this was an act of terrorism.

I'm not one to challenge courts, but act of terrorism? I will have to be convinced on this.

I hope by tomorrow morning Supreme Court will settle the issue.

 

[Sedqal]

Jiski Lathi Uski Bhens .. it's whoever's way things are going.. that's which way the decision will go. The judges have their head (Iftikhar Chaudry) and a supportive lawyers wing and media on their side. Musharraf isn't the president and army support isn't clear. His political support is a lot less than he thought. Looks like the judges are in a position of strength here unless Kiyani steps in.

If Kayani steps in he should treated as a criminal too. If Judges can't implement their decisions they should appeal to public about this state of affairs. This tamasha has gone on for long enough and has to stop.

 

[Chrome9]

If Kayani steps in he should treated as a criminal too. If Judges can't implement their decisions they should appeal to public about this state of affairs. This tamasha has gone on for long enough and has to stop.

Right, that's exactly what this country needs right now isn't it? More blood, political instability, institutional clashes and anarchy? The best thing to do is let the election occur. The people of Pakistan are more than enough. They wouldn't vote Musharraf anyway - we need governance.. not endless cases and instabilty.

 

[Awesome]

http://www.ihc.gov.pk/Announcements/Judgements/Court5/Crl. Misc 222-B-13.pdf

Hmmm, I've read Supreme Court judgments and this one is not at par. Especially the part of terrorism.

 

[RazorMC]

My understanding is that Musharraf declared the state of emergency, Iftikhar Chaudhry challenged it, he and others were arrested, and the remaining judges complied with Musharraf.

Am I missing something here?

Not much, except his oath under a previous PCO and being among those who dismissed petition against LFO which allowed P.Musharraf to hold onto power a little longer.

 

[Jango]

ECL? Raymond Davis left the country straight from Lahore airport after the court topi drama despite being on the ECL due to his special "security escort". Gen Musharraf has the same protection too.

A little correction here, Raymond Davis may have been whisked away, but he was whisked away after a arrangement with the families of the deceased and assurance of diyat.

 

[blain2]

Army should be singled out in this instance. They have specialized in coups and frankly that is becoming a headache. From Ayub to Yahya to Zia and Musharraf - 35 years of this nation down the drain. The 'real thiefs' as you put them have been hand picked and carefully groomed by PA and have been a part of every Dictatorship.

This country is in this position some 80% due to Army. FORTY THOUSAND dead a civil war in Baluchistan and one about to erupt in KPK. I don't think Indian army would have damaged the social fabric of Pakistan as much as PA did.

That piece of paper is the basis of 'discipline' for the whole country and every institute. Its funny that a known sadist and alcohol abuser - who made the unique record of being in a bed fondling his mistresses while his country broke into two - was given a proper Army burial because you know discipline of the forces (country be damned) but when it comes to the constitution the backbone and guiding principle for the whole state you demean it by calling it a mere 'piece of paper'.

Interests of this nation take priority over interests of an organization. PA should not expect any more chances after 35 years of failing miserably in safeguarding Pakistan's interests. Musharraf is a criminal and should be treated as one.

The country broke in two because of ZAB, not Yahya. The latter became the fall guy solely because he could not get Bhutto to accede to what was right, which was, let Mujeeb rule. So lets be very clear about putting the blame where it squarely sits. You must know the famous adage, "history is written by the victors", so in this case, Bhutto was the victor and Yahya lost out and Bhutto wrote the history which made him look better.

The Balochistan problem is not due to the Pakistan Army. What stopped ZAB, NS, Benazir from fixing it permanently? The action against Bugti did not happen in a vacuum. There was already agitation from way beyond at the behest of various nawabs.

Lastly, prove Musharraf's crime first before calling him a criminal. Last I checked, even in our legal system, one's guilt had to be ascertained before considering them a criminal.

Agreed on the paper being a "Discipline/framework", however the litmus test is whether this very same Supreme Court goes back to that issue of 1999, or just tries to pick things which keep it from self-probing its own role and guilt in military takeovers.

 

[saiyan0321]

WOW what i am surprised am is why was he allowed to escape when an arrest order for him was made by the court. He should have been caught there and heck he should be caught now. He is sitting in his home when an arrest order is out for him. \

If Kayani steps in he should treated as a criminal too. If Judges can't implement their decisions they should appeal to public about this state of affairs. This tamasha has gone on for long enough and has to stop.

Kiyani will not step in. There were many other opportunities when he could have stepped in and but didnt and i am sure the arrest order of the general who left the army disgraced in front of the people is not going to be his main concern. The way things are forget elections he better look out for his life as i wont be surprised if he is sentenced.

Funny but this is where the saying " how the mighty have fallen " comes to term. at one time he was in soo much power that he pushed around the judges and CJ of supreme court and now in high court he is being arrested. I doubt it will make a difference if he takes his case to supreme court.

 

[Sedqal]

Right, that's exactly what this country needs right now isn't it? More blood, political instability, institutional clashes and anarchy? The best thing to do is let the election occur. The people of Pakistan are more than enough. They wouldn't vote Musharraf anyway - we need governance.. not endless cases and instabilty.

This country is in the position due to dimwits like Musharraf. If it is left to shenanigans of PA I don't think it ever will come out of this stage. For God sake look at the last 50 years, 35 years were under one dictatorship or another. Pakistan has been constantly at a state of war. If PA was not fighting India it was waging the global jehad. Criminal proceedings against Musharraf will go a long way in assuring a common man that their is some semblance of state authority and law does exist.