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I think safriz is hazara hindko speaker,,

I am Pothohari but i clicked on Punjabi as pothori/hindko/hazara/sariaki are branches of western punjabi

Hazara are not Punjabi, they lost their language over the years but they are of Turkic origin, they look like pukhtoon and nothing Like punjabis, Ayyub was a hazara , did he look Punjabi to you?, to call them Punjabis is disrespectful and insulting.
 
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Please dont Mix..Hazara people of Balochistan/Afghanistan, with Hazara Division of KPK...
Hazara Division is a predominantly Hindko speaking area of Mixed ethnicity..The word Hazara is a Turkish word which means 1000,and legend has it that During the times of Alexander the great 1000 Soldiers of Turkish origin defected and went into hiding in the mountains of the now Hazara division. They later married among the local nomad tribes and started a new mixed race,and after them the area was named "Hazara".
The area has a very diverse history.Its ancient name is "Pakhli" Pakhli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
You can read the wiki link i posted above.

The main city of Hazara is curently Abbottabad,and its relatively new city..It used to be a swamp in ancient times and nobody lived there..Later when the waters receded,the mountain tribes descended into the valley of today's Abbottabad (Named after major Abbot of British Army).Thats why the city;s population has always been a wide mix of ethnicities. Tanolies from the western mountains,Jadoons of Eatern mountains,Karlals from Glaiyaat area,and Awaan of the plains of haripur,all are now local to Abbottabad,as their ancesters descended into the vally after the waters receded and the valley became a rich grazing ground for their cattle.
Hindko language itself is a mixture of Punjabi/Hindi/Pushto and some other local languages and evolved during the reign of Maharaja Ranjiit singh who ruled the area for some time,and since his times Hindko is the standard language of the area which was them embraced as a common language of communication by all tribes of the area.
(Myself i am an ethnic arab,My ancesters came to the area during Mughal era,and it was a small murchant group who somehow decided to stay,and thats why i can bash Turks,Pushtoons and pretty much every ethnicity,but not arabs..A behaviour of mine you must have witnessed on PDF if you are a regular here ;) )

Just my two cents.

If legend is about 1000 Greek soldier, Hazara must be having some ancient Greek or Sanskrit name based on number 1000 since Turks arrived thousand years later.
 
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You misunderstood , it not how it seems, i mean if you were to call a Punjabi hazard would be equally insulting.

If legend is about 1000 Greek soldier, Hazara must be having some ancient Greek or Sanskrit name based on number 1000 since Turks arrived thousand years later.

In 1399, the Muslim warrior Timur , on his
return to Kabul , stationed his Turk soldiers,
( who belonged to a sub-tribe of Turks, called
Karlugh Turks ) in Hazara to protect the
important route between Kabul and Kashmir.
By 1472, Prince Shahab-ud-Din came from
Kabul and established his rule over the region.
Prince Shahab-ud-Din, a Turk of central Asian
origin and a descendant of Amir Taimur,
founded the state and named it Pakhli Sarkar
and chose the village of Guli bagh as his
capital.
During the period of Mughal rule, local Turkish
chiefs acknowledged Mughal authority. In fact,
Mansehra ( Pakhli) provided the main route to
Kashmir and was the most commonly used
route for Emperor Akbar to travel to Kashmir.
In the 18th century, Turkish rule came to an
end due to the increased aggression of the
Swathis and their allied forces. The most
crucial attack was that of the Swatis in
collusion with Syed Jalal Baba in 1703. Syed
Jalal Shah was the son in law of the last ruler
of Turkic dynasty, Sultan Mehmud Khurd.
During the absence of the Sultan Mehmood
Khurd, Syed Jalal Shah (Jalal Baba) took
advantage of the his father in law's absence,
conspired with Swatis and invited them to
invade (Pakhli Sarkar).They succeeded to
overthrow the Turkish rulers from the Sarkar.
Thus Swatis ousted the Turks and captured
this area. The descendants of this Turkic
dynasty still live in various parts of Hazara,
such as ( Behali), Manakrai, Girwal, Mohar etc.
Decline and fall of Karlugh Turks
The last Karlugh Turks ruler of Pakhli Sarkar
was Sultan Mehmud Khurd . One of his
brothers, Sultan Qyas-ud-din, was Wali-e-
Tanawal (Lower), and the Wali-e-Tanawal
(Upper) was Sultan Sahwaj. His brother Sultan
Muqarrab was Wali-e-Dhamtor, i.e. Rush
areas of present Abbottabad . Pakhli Sarkar
had two other important governorships. One in
the areas between Battagram and Thakot ruled
by Shamsher Khan and other of Kashmir
governed by Sultan Kamal. Both of these
governors were close relatives of Turk rulers of
Pakhli Sarkar. At that time Kashmir was part
of Hazara PakhliSarkar.
The introduction of Sikh rule into Hazara,
commenced after 1818. In this year Kamal
Khan, Turk, of Manakrai, murdered his fellow-
chieftain, Hashim Khan (Karlugh)who was also
known as Hashim Khan lakhay in order to grab
throne. Hashim Khan was the son of the ruler
Malook khan and grandson of Sultan Mehmood
Khurd. Hashim Khan was ruler of appx. 84
villages which were later snatched by the
Britishers. The latter's cause was espoused by
the Tarin chief, Muhammad Khan, Mohammed
Khan Tareen helped Kamal Khan to over threw
Hashim khan who was the son of Ruler. Then
Hashim Khan took help of one of his Sikh
friend general and conquered mankray again
and took back his throne and killed Kamal
Khan. At his invitation Makhan Singh, the Sikh
Governor of Rawalpindi, invaded Hazara with
500 sowars, built a fort at Serai Saleh, and
levied tribute from the Haripur plain. Note that
Hashim Khan later died in British custody, all
of his jahgeer ws snatched and his son Hayat
Khan was given 1000 rupees at that time as
expense by the British.
 
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If legend is about 1000 Greek soldier, Hazara must be having some ancient Greek or Sanskrit name based on number 1000 since Turks arrived thousand years later.

i guess hazara of pakistan are the combination of local pashtuns/punjabi

language is somehow similar to punjabi but look more like pashtuns
 
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i knew @Armstrong wud have xploded this thread wid more than 10 replies cuz its his very fav topic to discuss :blink::girl_wacko:

@Armstrong is a bigot and a casteist, add to that engaged in politicizing ethnic identities.

Maaro pakad ke use, or better yet bake him that pizza he keeps demanding and lace it with a concentrated dose of Ricin.:agree:
@Hyperion @Secur help her out with this exceedingly good deed.

Butt, the TWIG shall miss you though. :frown:
 
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@Armstrong is a bigot and a casteist, add to that engaged in politicizing ethnic identities.

Maaro pakad ke use, or better yet bake him that pizza he keeps demanding and lace it with a concentrated dose of Ricin.:agree:

hhahah he @Armstrong will now be furious on it...we are hittin him on a thing very close to his heart....The Kashmiritism:tongue:
 
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hhahah he @Armstrong will now be furious on it...we are hittin him on a thing very close to his heart....The Kashmiritism:tongue:

What "Kashmiritism", the one which involves calling beautiful Kashmiri women "cows" and the ardent proclamations of being a Punjabi?:cheesy:

Bol rakha hai use, I'll buy some land there, enough to accommodate his tombstone.:P

Although PDF and life (for those around him) would be dull sans @Armstrong.

After all itna tez, pasandida aur khush tabah munshi aur kahaan milega?
 
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You misunderstood , it not how it seems, i mean if you were to call a Punjabi hazard would be equally insulting.



In 1399, the Muslim warrior Timur , on his
return to Kabul , stationed his Turk soldiers,
( who belonged to a sub-tribe of Turks, called
Karlugh Turks ) in Hazara to protect the
important route between Kabul and Kashmir.
By 1472, Prince Shahab-ud-Din came from
Kabul and established his rule over the region.
Prince Shahab-ud-Din, a Turk of central Asian
origin and a descendant of Amir Taimur,
founded the state and named it Pakhli Sarkar
and chose the village of Guli bagh as his
capital.
During the period of Mughal rule, local Turkish
chiefs acknowledged Mughal authority. In fact,
Mansehra ( Pakhli) provided the main route to
Kashmir and was the most commonly used
route for Emperor Akbar to travel to Kashmir.
In the 18th century, Turkish rule came to an
end due to the increased aggression of the
Swathis and their allied forces. The most
crucial attack was that of the Swatis in
collusion with Syed Jalal Baba in 1703. Syed
Jalal Shah was the son in law of the last ruler
of Turkic dynasty, Sultan Mehmud Khurd.
During the absence of the Sultan Mehmood
Khurd, Syed Jalal Shah (Jalal Baba) took
advantage of the his father in law's absence,
conspired with Swatis and invited them to
invade (Pakhli Sarkar).They succeeded to
overthrow the Turkish rulers from the Sarkar.
Thus Swatis ousted the Turks and captured
this area. The descendants of this Turkic
dynasty still live in various parts of Hazara,
such as ( Behali), Manakrai, Girwal, Mohar etc.
Decline and fall of Karlugh Turks
The last Karlugh Turks ruler of Pakhli Sarkar
was Sultan Mehmud Khurd . One of his
brothers, Sultan Qyas-ud-din, was Wali-e-
Tanawal (Lower), and the Wali-e-Tanawal
(Upper) was Sultan Sahwaj. His brother Sultan
Muqarrab was Wali-e-Dhamtor, i.e. Rush
areas of present Abbottabad . Pakhli Sarkar
had two other important governorships. One in
the areas between Battagram and Thakot ruled
by Shamsher Khan and other of Kashmir
governed by Sultan Kamal. Both of these
governors were close relatives of Turk rulers of
Pakhli Sarkar. At that time Kashmir was part
of Hazara PakhliSarkar.
The introduction of Sikh rule into Hazara,
commenced after 1818. In this year Kamal
Khan, Turk, of Manakrai, murdered his fellow-
chieftain, Hashim Khan (Karlugh)who was also
known as Hashim Khan lakhay in order to grab
throne. Hashim Khan was the son of the ruler
Malook khan and grandson of Sultan Mehmood
Khurd. Hashim Khan was ruler of appx. 84
villages which were later snatched by the
Britishers. The latter's cause was espoused by
the Tarin chief, Muhammad Khan, Mohammed
Khan Tareen helped Kamal Khan to over threw
Hashim khan who was the son of Ruler. Then
Hashim Khan took help of one of his Sikh
friend general and conquered mankray again
and took back his throne and killed Kamal
Khan. At his invitation Makhan Singh, the Sikh
Governor of Rawalpindi, invaded Hazara with
500 sowars, built a fort at Serai Saleh, and
levied tribute from the Haripur plain. Note that
Hashim Khan later died in British custody, all
of his jahgeer ws snatched and his son Hayat
Khan was given 1000 rupees at that time as
expense by the British.

You nailed it..
That sums up the history if Hazara in KPK-

The jadoons are the descendents if caucasian Turks(although many like to call themselves pushtoon).
They are white people with plenty of blue eyed blondes.
The village of sarbanna near Pakistan military accademy is considered the birth place of jadoon tribe.

The article mentions 'jalal baba' who was in fact a traitor but hailed as a hero in hazara.
An auditoriu, is named after him and all the prime properties in annottabad belong to his descendents who are treacherous people.
Somewhere down the line they decided to convert to shia.
Our mosque was built on their land came under armed attack many times by them,because we are not shia.
We and them emptied our kalasinkovs on each other many times over the years.
Nobody ever died,as our fights were only a show of power to try and scare each other away.

But this goes to show that the shia sunni fight in pakistan which is always related to religion is most of the time ad ethnic,tribal clash based on some ongoing greivance or dispute...rather than religion.
Mysef beig a witness of this....
 
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What "Kashmiritism", the one which involves calling beautiful Kashmiri women "cows" and the ardent proclamations of being a Punjabi?:cheesy:

Bol rakha hai use, I'll buy some land there, enough to accommodate his tombstone.:P

Although PDF and life (for those around him) would be dull sans @Armstrong.

After all itna tez, pasandida aur khush tabah munshi aur kahaan milega?

Yes Kashmiritism is a religion where a Cow n Hippo like @Armstrong calls everybudy else as Cow/fat cuz he himself cant lose weight or quit habbit of over eatin so want everyone around them to be Fat n big sized like him :P always hungry for food even wen sleeping :omghaha:
 
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