Pakistani Establishment is in for nasty surprise !!! PPP has separated Sindh UNOFFICIALLY

[Zibago]

Okay. I will say it here that Karachi -

• will not be carved in the present term of goverment.
• will not be devolved in the present term of government

for reasons I stated earlier. Now let's see how it pans out. And PTM is wrong example. They had one or two seats. That is analogous to Bugti. A more reasonable comparison would be PPP government removing a PTI led K-pk.

Yeh. You sure tripping. American troops with logistical and support that only a superpower can sustain. Gawd !

Send in US Marines???

There is no need to carve a new province if entire province can be sent home using the same grounds ppp used
And ptm is the perfect example as they too had similar claims,agenda and were eve ad with ppp
Ethnic politics in Pakistan was greatly damaged in the 2018 election only ppp thinks it still is a thing
Even Balochistan rejected ethnic parties for more federalist parties

 

[Kabira]

Yeah sure sure maybe that is why people are dying in tharparkar from hunger

Doesn't matter if they keep voting for PPP. Plus PPP isn't doing anything unconstitutional to impose governor raj.

There is no need to carve a new province if entire province can be sent home using the same grounds ppp used
And ptm is the perfect example as they too had similar claims,agenda and were eve ad with ppp
Ethnic politics in Pakistan was greatly damaged in the 2018 election only ppp thinks it still is a thing
Even Balochistan rejected ethnic parties for more federalist parties

PTM attacked Pakistani post on border. What have PPP done? Not collect garbage from Karachi and other governance issues. Governor raj isn't long term solution.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

By the way PPP increased it's voter base in 2018 compared to 2013. it got 5 extra seats. This is the reality. It polled over 3.8 million votes, vastly more then others, even when combined. PPP may have shrunk in rrest of Pakistan but it appears that its base in Sindh is still solid. We really need a PPP wallahs from Sindh to furnish their side of argumant. As they say there are always two sides to a story. PPP gained 5 extra seats which goes against your claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sindh_provincial_election

Ethnic politics in Pakistan was greatly damaged in the 2018 election only ppp thinks it still is a thing

Please see the results for 2018 Sindh elections. When we debate we should cite some objective data and not just shoot out claims.



Leader Murad Ali Shah Imran Ismail Khawaja Hassan
Party PPP PTI MQM-P
Leader's seat Dadu-III Karachi-XXIII Karachi-XI
Last election 91 seats, 32.63% 4 seats 51 seats, 25.53%
Seats won 97 30 21
Seat change

5

26

30
Popular vote 3,853,081 1,435,813 773,951

The real issue here is majoritarian dictatorship. If this is the issue then perhaps devolving to local level is way forward. But that raises the tricky question. How far down do you devolve? That is of course a political decision and based on your perspective. If it was devolved to Karachi, a vast city of 15 million, larger then many countries, it could be argued by minority enclaves within that city that they are being exposed to majoritarian rule. Why not devolve it further down the scale? If Karachi feels a neglected enclave within the larger province, some districts within Karachi could cry the same cry and ask for devolvment to their level so they don't get snuffed.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Any action taken against PPP in Sindh would be immensely popular in Punjab and Karachi.

Both are sick and tired for getting blamed by PPP for any problems in Sindh, esp those problems caused by incompetence and outright lack of funds due to blatant theft.

There is also the religious element. It would be advantages to change the religious nature of Sindh as well more in line with Punjab, KPK, Karachi to more Deobandi Orthodox Muslim to undo the power of corrupt and bloodsucking Pirs in Sindh and South Punjab.

The upsurge in support for PTI nationwide may offset any challenges in Sindh, not to mention the voiceless, downtrodden Sindhi who has been bullied and starved to death by PPP.

 

[Musafir117]

I’m strongly condemn ban of @Retired Troll
A lot of time am not agreed with him but admin have a low tolerance attitude to ban him again and again. Why not you guys just shut him up permanently? Easy solution right?
On topic from years am yelling give karachi a special status to run under federal to get rid of wadera shahi even Establishment knows it but they are all time busy in nasty games suits them not public.
And save this post its not gonna happen Karachi stays in misery coz I know if it’s not suits Bhuttos it’s not either suits Ooper wale.

 

[ps3linux]

Asalam Alikum, guys.

We know what's going on in Karachi and Sindh.

The current suggestion by Federal Law Minister Farogh Naseem of invoking article 149 has generated some responses and reality which we need to look and observe at - DEEPLY

1. Bilawal calling for Sindhu desh,

2. Raza Rabbani issuing warnings,

3. Kursheed Shah recently threatening on assembly floor that destruction will occur in Karachi if article 149 is invoked....

What do these empty threats tell us? It tells only ONE thing that

PAKISTAN , as a state, has no rule or jurisdiction on Karachi or any other area of Sindh...

Even if federal government wins seats from specific areas of Sindh and want to take over on their own then PPP will become hurdle in their ways by stoking Sindhi nationalism and bullshit of "Attack on Subai Khudmuktari"

What PPP is conveying that we rule Sindh and you can't do jack shit in Sindh if we don't allow you.

This is literally an unofficial and subliminal separation of Sindh province from Pakistan.

PPP, as of now, is at height of arrogance and power....after ruling Sindh for damn TWELVE YEARS, they have started considering themselves as BAAP of Sindh.

What gives them more confidence is pathetic silence from Establishment....PPP thinks due to current hot border with India, army won't like to get involved in Sindh for law and order situation.....This is what gives them more confidence and this WHERE, I think bluff of PPP should be called.

PPP is brainwashing common Sindhis and strengthening her foothold just like MQM used to do in Karachi at some point in history.

If PPP is not tackled now and thrown in dustbin, then Pakistanis will pay hefty price in liberating Sindh which will result in blood...a lot of.

PPP has smarted the art of manipulation...Bilawal is not a kid...He knows what he is saying. After all, he is son of Zardari, cunning and selfish one.

Time is running out. If establishment allows PPP to rule even after 12 years, she will find itself more suffocated in Sindh province...

Dealing/softness with zardari and other PPP elite shouldn't give establishment some false sense of relaxation about having presence in Sindh....As of now, Pakistan, as a state, and her establishment has practically NO authority over Karachi and Sindh. PPP knew that they might not come to power again so they passed that damn 18th amendment which favor them right at heart, empowered themselves and snatched all rights of city and at the same time, ended the authority of Pakistan over Sindh province.

Now, whenever, the state would want to fix the mess in province, PPP will play Sindh card, will call it alag sooba sazish and will try to manipulate common Sindhis against state of Pakistan.

This is a dangerous situation and demands one time fix surgery, once and for all.

Your call, establishment.

@Oscar @ps3linux @Karam Ali @Khafee @Zibago and @others

When I look at PPP somehow or the other I cant stop laughing what an irony Islamic Republic of Pakistan one of the ex major political party who has a corrupt chairman in Jail a penal implant case to satisfy his ex wife, a chairman who is getting hormone treatment from U.K to bring some semblance of malehood from it, son of ex ADC Quaid e Azam a g*y bastard, a female senator who is a n**pho who sole expertise is to arrange o**y parties particularly LGBT and peurtorican male pr**titues for n**pho females. What a political party I could name others but I think this is enough. A party established by a family who is an established traitor to Nizam Hyderabad, a party responsible (partly) for separation of east Pakistan and now they are harping sindhu desh.

Traitors like G.M Syed and ilk tried the same song for decades and they failed, an idiot/terrorist operating out of UK sang the same song and failed, traitors from ex NWFP tried and failed, they tried it in swat and FATA and failed, they tried it in GB and failed, they tried it in Balochistan and failed oh yes another one tried it in Punjab and failed.

A brief analysis what you are referring to is a skirmish a posturing, but do understand that wars are ugly long term things, they are won not just on the battle ground but actually in the hearts and minds of people as well.

Case in point SWAT the establishment and the political forces gave every opportunity to terrorists in SWAT, accepted their demands what happened was that when they announced they dont accept constitution of Pakistan, People of Pakistan had a rude awakening they realized that these scums are against the very foundation of Pakistan that is when the tide turned their sympathizers had nowhere to hide, what was left was just the culling and our Armed forces did it effectively and efficiently. Next case FATA or TTP we should remember there were TTP sympathizers that time and to an extent that the head of a famous religious terrorist party openly said taliban dead are shaheed and Pak Army Dead are not shaheed. Then came the matter of rude awakening the sorry cases of parade lane and APS Peshawar along the church blast of Peshawar, Taliban sympathizer well they are still there but they had nothing to defend and came Zarb e Azad the culling of terrorist outgrowth and now there is no more FATA it is KPK, fully integrated as a part of Pakistan where its people have equal rights as any other Pakistani.

If you look at it from an aerial perspective battle lines have already been drawn shades of grey are disappearing now it is just Pro and Anti Pakistan war undecided ones will have to choose either camp soon, at one side there are parties who want nothing but destruction of Pakistan, I am sure you are aware of the fatwa by Jamiat e Ulema e Hind's chief about Kashmir being integral part of India and all that crap, and that there is a Pakistan chapter as well whose chiefs had openly said "Alhamdolillah we were not part of the crime of creating Pakistan". Then there are other parties/people in almost all provinces there are bureaucrats (mostly on Anti Pakistan side), lists are being made. Once the sentiment of nation changes there are no more chances of mass resistance culling will come. There are no perfect countries/nations/societies we too have our grey areas but that's how it is. Watch the messaged between the lines, watch the information war you will understand what is happening.

So my friend don't you worry those who have to know they know, those who will have to fight and die they know time is coming but one thing I am absolutely sure, my unwavering belief Pakistan was created with a purpose, it was created to exist so it will anything/anyone fighting for its destruction is not only fighting against its people, its armed forces but against the forces of nature as well and we all know how that ends.

@Mangus Ortus Novem

 

[Kabira]

I will give you two examples.

1. Just 90,000 American troops took over entire Iraq by force in a span of a only 21 days in 2003 - a country with a population in crores.

2. MQM - a small political party - held entire Karachi hostage to its EVIL for years, a city with the population exceeding 1.5 crore on its own. When people of Pakistan had enough with MQM's nonsense, Pakistan Rangers fixed it in a span of some months.

Again, numbers do not matter but 'ground realities' do. How many Sindhi are happy under fuedalism of PPPP? This is a potential research project for the likes of you.

Zia toke care of Sindhudeshis in 80's when he hanged Bhutto. Pakistan already went through Sindhudesh phase.

Ideal solution for both sides is let elected representatives from Karachi run the city through local government. As long as they are not MQM.

 

[Zibago]

I’m strongly condemn ban of @Retired Troll
A lot of time am not agreed with him but admin have a low tolerance attitude to ban him again and again. Why not you guys just shut him up permanently? Easy solution right?
On topic from years am yelling give karachi a special status to run under federal to get rid of wadera shahi even Establishment knows it but they are all time busy in nasty games suits them not public.
And save this post its not gonna happen Karachi stays in misery coz I know if it’s not suits Bhuttos it’s not either suits Ooper wale.

If pti really pushes it ooper waley will back it
PTI is kind of double minded on it but with heavy Karachi mandate they are under pressure

 

[Musafir117]

If pti really pushes it ooper waley will back it
PTI is kind of double minded on it but with heavy Karachi mandate they are under pressure

As I mentioned
Save these posts for history, it’s not gonna happen no matter how badly we need it.
No one give away golden egg hen.
Federal run by civilians, now PTI ( darling of time ) year one or five who? You and me don’t know, we ( public ) always treated like slaves between civilians and establishment we have no power, I don’t like Irshad Bhatti but some of his observation am totally agreed with him.
We the public are number one ....iya in this game.

 

[newb3e]

creators of PPP (not zulfiqar bhutto) must be really proud of what they have done then the great guy who signed Nro and made sure his successor protects and safeguards bhuttos interests and allow them to loot murder and destroy future of people of Pakistan must be really satisfied about what they have done!!

and some blame people for voting and supporting PPP lols amazing!!

 

[Pak_Sher]

Asalam Alikum, guys.

We know what's going on in Karachi and Sindh.

The current suggestion by Federal Law Minister Farogh Naseem of invoking article 149 has generated some responses and reality which we need to look and observe at - DEEPLY

1. Bilawal calling for Sindhu desh,

2. Raza Rabbani issuing warnings,

3. Kursheed Shah recently threatening on assembly floor that destruction will occur in Karachi if article 149 is invoked....

What do these empty threats tell us? It tells only ONE thing that

PAKISTAN , as a state, has no rule or jurisdiction on Karachi or any other area of Sindh...

Even if federal government wins seats from specific areas of Sindh and want to take over on their own then PPP will become hurdle in their ways by stoking Sindhi nationalism and bullshit of "Attack on Subai Khudmuktari"

What PPP is conveying that we rule Sindh and you can't do jack shit in Sindh if we don't allow you.

This is literally an unofficial and subliminal separation of Sindh province from Pakistan.

PPP, as of now, is at height of arrogance and power....after ruling Sindh for damn TWELVE YEARS, they have started considering themselves as BAAP of Sindh.

What gives them more confidence is pathetic silence from Establishment....PPP thinks due to current hot border with India, army won't like to get involved in Sindh for law and order situation.....This is what gives them more confidence and this WHERE, I think bluff of PPP should be called.

PPP is brainwashing common Sindhis and strengthening her foothold just like MQM used to do in Karachi at some point in history.

If PPP is not tackled now and thrown in dustbin, then Pakistanis will pay hefty price in liberating Sindh which will result in blood...a lot of.

PPP has smarted the art of manipulation...Bilawal is not a kid...He knows what he is saying. After all, he is son of Zardari, cunning and selfish one.

Time is running out. If establishment allows PPP to rule even after 12 years, she will find itself more suffocated in Sindh province...

Dealing/softness with zardari and other PPP elite shouldn't give establishment some false sense of relaxation about having presence in Sindh....As of now, Pakistan, as a state, and her establishment has practically NO authority over Karachi and Sindh. PPP knew that they might not come to power again so they passed that damn 18th amendment which favor them right at heart, empowered themselves and snatched all rights of city and at the same time, ended the authority of Pakistan over Sindh province.

Now, whenever, the state would want to fix the mess in province, PPP will play Sindh card, will call it alag sooba sazish and will try to manipulate common Sindhis against state of Pakistan.

This is a dangerous situation and demands one time fix surgery, once and for all.

Your call, establishment.

@Oscar @ps3linux @Karam Ali @Khafee @Zibago and @others

Sind needs to be split in 2 provinces. Karachi, Hyderabad and sukkur in one unit and the remaining in the other.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Sind needs to be split in 2 provinces. Karachi, Hyderabad and sukkur in one unit and the remaining in the other.

Sukkur is too far away from Karachi and hyderabad. But yes, north and south Sindh is possible.

 

[newb3e]

I’m strongly condemn ban of @Retired Troll
A lot of time am not agreed with him but admin have a low tolerance attitude to ban him again and again. Why not you guys just shut him up permanently? Easy solution right?
On topic from years am yelling give karachi a special status to run under federal to get rid of wadera shahi even Establishment knows it but they are all time busy in nasty games suits them not public.
And save this post its not gonna happen Karachi stays in misery coz I know if it’s not suits Bhuttos it’s not either suits Ooper wale.

all my posts deleted at times this forum is like arab dictatorship and one cant speak freely or against the sacred cows of Pakistan!

 

[Kabira]

By the way PPP increased it's voter base in 2018 compared to 2013. it got 5 extra seats. This is the reality. It polled over 3.8 million votes, vastly more then others, even when combined. PPP may have shrunk in rrest of Pakistan but it appears that its base in Sindh is still solid. We really need a PPP wallahs from Sindh to furnish their side of argumant. As they say there are always two sides to a story. PPP gained 5 extra seats which goes against your claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sindh_provincial_election

Please see the results for 2018 Sindh elections. When we debate we should cite some objective data and not just shoot out claims.



Leader Murad Ali Shah Imran Ismail Khawaja Hassan
Party PPP PTI MQM-P
Leader's seat Dadu-III Karachi-XXIII Karachi-XI
Last election 91 seats, 32.63% 4 seats 51 seats, 25.53%
Seats won 97 30 21
Seat change

5

26

30
Popular vote 3,853,081 1,435,813 773,951

The real issue here is majoritarian dictatorship. If this is the issue then perhaps devolving to local level is way forward. But that raises the tricky question. How far down do you devolve? That is of course a political decision and based on your perspective. If it was devolved to Karachi, a vast city of 15 million, larger then many countries, it could be argued by minority enclaves within that city that they are being exposed to majoritarian rule. Why not devolve it further down the scale? If Karachi feels a neglected enclave within the larger province, some districts within Karachi could cry the same cry and ask for devolvment to their level so they don't get snuffed.

Power should be devolved to local level with in Karachi as well. But if someone like PTI win mayor election then it wouldn't matter. They have mix of all ethnicity in Karachi. More of problem if MQM comes back.

 

[newb3e]

Zia toke care of Sindhudeshis in 80's when he hanged Bhutto

Mushraf returned the favor by signing Nro and Kayanni by protecting Mr Zardari just because his brother was Zardaris partner and you guys blame people for voting ppp! lols

even IK couldnt come to power without umpires finger just like every PM in past!!