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Pakistani army: No new offensive for 6-12 months

Why does America have to behave this way? Why does it demand so much for itself yet offer little or nothing, not even goodwill, in return?
I don't think "reversal" works here for you, AM. American opinion - including, in part, the election of Obama - is shaped by Pakistani behavior, though most Americans don't grasp Pakistan's intricacies. On the other hand, going from what I see on PDF, Pakistani opinions of U.S. actions are often created through a distorted view of U.S. activities which Pakistanis then challenge Americans to reject. So one is based on fiction, the other fact.

Shabbes comes, gotta go.
 
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I don't think "reversal" works here for you, AM. American opinion - including, in part, the election of Obama - is shaped by Pakistani behavior, though most Americans don't grasp Pakistan's intricacies. On the other hand, going from what I see on PDF, Pakistani opinions of U.S. actions are often created through a distorted view of U.S. activities which Pakistanis then challenge Americans to reject. So one is based on fiction, the other fact.

Shabbes comes, gotta go.
Oh but I do think reversal works, since Pakistani opinion is shaped by American actions.

We saw American actions as the US embargoed Pakistan from 1965 through 1973(?), and essentially lent little support in our wars against the Indians. Did the Soviets sanction India for what its aggression against Pakistan in 1971?

We saw American actions as the US abandoned Afghanistan and Pakistan after the Soviets were defeated, in which Afghanistan and Pakistan both shed blood and suffered instability for the joint cause, far more blood, suffering and instability than the US, thousands of miles away, ever suffered.

We then saw the blatant double standards of America as Pakistan was sanctioned for its nuclear program, its money for purchasing F-16's stolen, and the equipment not delivered either, while Israel continues to be the recipient of tens of billions of dollars in annual direct and indirect US aid despite possessing a nuclear arsenal estimated to be far larger than Pakistan's.

We saw American actions as once more it treated its 'Major Non-Nato Ally' like a doormat as it negotiated a civilian nuclear deal with India, while ignoring Pakistan despite Pakistan having dismantled the AQ Khan network and put in place command and control systems almost as advanced as those in the West, using the excuse of 'proliferation' when many other Western NSG members have their own record of proliferating to non-nuclear states.

All this is fact, not fiction. What is fiction is the lying tripe and propaganda ceaselessly put out by the US media without evidence blaming the ISI and Pakistan to explain away US failures in Afghanistan.

The fiction involved here is what the US government in collusion with its media feeds its citizens, not unlike the lies sold about WMD's in Iraq.

I gave you a decent factual list of the direct damage done to Pakistan by the US - what exactly can you offer to point to damage done by Pakistan to the US, other than unsunstantiated tripe and lies in the US media blaming the ISI?
 
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it is difficult and tiring to fight scattered mscreants, let them re-group in NW.
There sponsors will have to pay salaries of miscreants for one year for nothing and this is going to be a big burden on US and indian economies, without any results.
On the other hand interior ministry need to clear and secure the cities.
We have seen that terorist activities have been shifted to Kashmir area, this is an area of more concern than NW.
 
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Why Pakistan will not mount new attacks on militants


Pakistan's military thinks it has strong reasons not to attack the militants


With its announcement that it will launch no new offensives against the Taliban in 2010, Pakistan's army appears to have opened a new innings in its favourite game with the West, says the BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad.

For the United States, the statement by the Pakistan army could not have come at a worse time.

Its main intelligence agency, the CIA, is still coming to terms with the death of seven personnel in a suicide attack in Afghanistan by an al-Qaeda "double agent".

That attack, the worst suffered by the agency in four decades, was apparently planned and carried out by Taliban militants in Pakistan's tribal areas.

Under pressure from the US, the Pakistan army launched an operation there in the main Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan in November 2009.

The army has since been able to secure that territory and push out the militants.


Hillary Clinton wants Pakistan to target militants in Baluchistan
While some have been captured, most senior Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders have fled the region.

Intelligence officials say they have now taken refuge either in other nearby tribal regions or the neighbouring Balochistan province.

Mission impossible

Top US officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have been calling for the military to go after the militants in these regions.

All this comes at a time when Pakistan's government is already under a great deal of domestic criticism.

This is mainly due to increased missile strikes by the US targeting Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders in the tribal areas.

These have turned a sometimes ambivalent tribal population against the Pakistan military.

Analysts say the tribesmen see the strikes, which have claimed more lives of civilians than of militants, as contiguous with the military operation.

But US officials have continued to press for more action, painting doomsday scenarios for Pakistan.

The latest such warning comes from US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who said in India that al-Qaeda was planning to carry out attacks to provoke war with Pakistan.

But the Pakistan military appears to have its own views on the subject, and their say is likely to count the most.


Pakistani troops hold their positions on a hill top in South Waziristan.
Their latest decision is likely to sends shivers through all Western capitals which have a stake in Afghanistan.

For Washington, in particular, the military's U-turn will have far-reaching consequences.

Without Pakistani soldiers pressurising the Taliban in the tribal areas, it will be mission impossible for US forces in Afghanistan.

Diplomatic wrangling

Even with the additional 40,000 troops, it will not be possible to contain the insurgents.

With 2010 already being called a defining moment in the current conflict, the military has risked the all-out ire of the US with its decision.

But it appears to have thought out the move, given that it has gone public at a time when the US defence secretary is in Pakistan.

The military believes it has strong reasons not to move against the militants.

Many senior military officials have been angered by what they see are recent moves by the US and the UK to expand India's involvement in Afghanistan.

They see this as being specifically targeted against Pakistani interests.

There is also the matter of promised US aid to Pakistan, most of which has been delayed due to diplomatic wrangling.

US officials say much of the aid has been held up because of delays in processing visas for officials attached to the projects.


Without Pakistani offensives, will it be mission impossible for US forces?
But Pakistani intelligence officials say that many of these officials actually end up involved in activities "beyond their charter of duties".

In common parlance, its means the officials are seen as spies.

Extremely unhappy

The military's decision has also put the Pakistan government, with which it has been at odds of late, in an embarrassing position.

The military's unhappiness at the government stems from what it sees as its pandering to US demands at every turn.

One example which intelligence officials quote at liberty, is the manner in which US special forces personnel are allowed to enter and move around Pakistan without being documented by immigration.

Officials say the military is extremely unhappy with the interior ministry on this count.

The shaky PPP-led government, for its part, is too busy rolling from one political crisis to another to really take this matter in hand.

On a more direct note, Pakistan's military has also been demanding that the US give it more advanced helicopters and transfer its drone technology.

They say as the frontline state against the Taliban, such equipment is needed for greater success.

The US has, however, rejected these demands so far.
 
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The question is why the U.S. wants more troops? One day they say they will leave soon, deals with talibans etc

Are they planning something else?
I see the boots coming over here!
 
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Very good decision by Pakistan Army infact very important (logically) decision took by Pakistan Army. Be Realistic "WE DONT HAVE MONEY". If we spend 90% of our budget on only these operations mulk koon aur kesay chalayga. That what the US game plan. Why US offering drone to Pakistan because thats the only way to damage/destory Pakistan economy. So that when we need money for operation against "Real Enemy" we dont have money so defintly we will ask for money (big aid). Aid means when we will ask for money US apply strings/sanctions on Pakistan thats the real gameplan of US (CIA/RAW/Mossad).

in Urdu "jab hamko zaroorat paryage phir kuch important action kiliye ham inkay jaye tu woh apni shartain manwayee"

These BS terrorist activities will continue till US in Afghanistan. The only solution is US exit from Afghanistan. We will easily tackle this situation and we even dont care about thn India and indian involvment in Afghanistan we know how to tackle this baby. The baby call herself regional power and always need support from US against Pakistan so this baby cant do anything without US. This is very reasonable infact logical decision by Pakistan Army and i am big supporter of this. After 8 years of BS musharaf govt and this govt we did what US want A - Z. Why we take action where and when US want ???

Urdu: "unkay **** kay nokar lagay hain ham ???? jahan aur jistime US kahay aur ham shuru hojayeen".


you guyz live in FANTASY actually thats the problem (only thos who said this is the BAD NEWS). Talk and think logically first we dont have money for more and more operation and secondly ARMY KNOWS WHO IS BEHIND THESE SO CALLED TALIBAN's (TERRORIST). ARMY knows what is actually going on since last 10 years. Army realize this before but because of BS musharaf and on US demand pakistan did operation without any logic). 50% of Real terrorist activities and 50% of Media FULL propoganda on SWAT, that Taliban will capture Islamabad (WHAT A BULLSHIT theory).

Few terrorist will capture NUKES ?

Think logically Army knows who is behind now after 20 years especially after 9/11 of CIA/RAW/Mossad game plan, Finally i feel first time that ISI/ARMY made a plan that HOW TO COUNTER in reality (not fantasy) that how to tackle these BS funded organization. Why US offering Drone even i was heared from my source that US also interested to sell even armed drone WHY? THINK LOGICALLY we dont need APACHES COBRA GUNSHIPS blaa blaa WE DONT GO FOR ANY SINGLE OPERATION.

GOOD WORK PAKISTAN ARMY!!!

"Rememeber from last few days there is no single terrorist activity inside Pakistan. Yoy guys have already seen when ARMY stop her Military operation these terrorist activities starts or increases right, WHY ???? because these BS funded terrorist from Afghanistan took such activities on demand of US. Thats the only way to put pressure on pakistan army... oh man there are many terrorist still left go for operation otherwise they will kill take suicide attacks bla bla starts game plan (propoganda through media). Only way to tackle this current situation is "kill or destory mother and her plans rather than kill her children. Because when we will kill mother, Children cant do anything (how they will get $$$ for such activities ?

Very well descision by Pakistan Army.

There are many terrorist organization in India and even US knows why not US pressurize India to take action Military operation like Pakistan on them ??

Understand logic behind decision from everyside!


PS: If i will see any single reply (troll) in which anyone say "Oh you are taliban or supporter of taliban or troll from Staff member blaa blaa" i will kick his *****. In Pakistan these are FUNEDED Terrorist stop calling them TALIBAN. Taliban are those who are FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND FIGHT AGAINST US (Any Invader) Right!

Real way "Read my signature carefully" and thats what we finally GO FOR!! GOOD WORK ISI and PAKISTAN ARMY!
 
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The question is why the U.S. wants more troops? One day they say they will leave soon, deals with talibans etc

Are they planning something else?
I see the boots coming over here!
To understand why are they doing this and what they are up to, please read the American history very closely, especially the Vietnam war. For Vietnam, their so-called think tanks invented a 'domino theory' which was based on an assumption that if the spread of the communism was not stopped in Vietnam, the entire region will fall to communism that would not be in the greater interest of America. Of course Americans lost in Vietnam but their domino theory never became a reality and left behind a big question mark on the judgment and intelligence of its inventor(s). After the fall of the USSR, the American think tanks were eager to invent another domino theory, and this time the target was not a system, but a religion.

Problem was, Muslims were neither in a position nor in a mood to engage with America or its Western allies. Hence there was a need to provoke them to a level where they declare war on America and her allies. This was achieved by provoking their decade old ally, Saddam Hussein to attack on Kuwait. In the next phase, they made their Saudi allies to invite the American/Western troops on the Holy land of Arabia in the pretext of defending KSA and liberating the Kuwait. As anticipated, Muslims were infuriated by the presence of American/Western troops in Saudi Arabia and some of the emotional folks decided to fight with the Americans, hence Al-Qaeda was born. So the Americans managed to bring their enemy to life which they invented with their own two hands. Now that an enemy was created, another ‘domino theory’ was invented and the American troops were on a killing frenzy as they were in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Latin America, and Afghanistan.

Obviously, they will not leave, they have no interest in re-building, and they are on a crusade. They will shed blood as much as they could (as their ancestors did during the 1st , 2nd and the last crusade), and this blood shed will finally wake up the Muslims and unite them against this ‘fitna’ of the present time. Their fate would not be much different from the one in Vietnam, but it will take some time. Indeed, they will bring this unholy war deep into Pakistan, and Pakistanis should prepare themselves for that time.
 
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The question is why the U.S. wants more troops? One day they say they will leave soon, deals with talibans etc

Are they planning something else?
I see the boots coming over here!

QSAARK's view is the the long term plan and I would add that I believe that next war against Pakistan will be from multiple enemies and on multiple fronts.

As far as why they make such confusing comments? This for public consumption at home. Before elections Obama and co can proudly say that they increase the level of troops in Afghanistan and at the same time they will be welcoming boys back home.
 
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Yes sir. In reply to qsaark and SSGPA I already opened a thread couple of months ago and it was a long lasting thread viewed by 4000 people and around 150 or so posts. Anyways, one of the things I told them was that the U.S. is coming from Balochistan. ISI is deeply involved/countering the threat there and CIA/other agencies are practically involved in Balochistan (not talking about their proxies) instead their actual members (white men)..I don't know what they are doing there...
I don't know if you guys believe in God gifted knowledge as in "know" the future (spiritual)....but I know what I have...I see the boots coming from Balochistan and trust me..it seems little awkward but this will be the U.S. last mistake...All I say is wait and watch...I know what I am saying....
I have some "inside" knowledge..
and many things are in "my" control...
One could argue that I am stupid/mental...lol..
but all I am saying is wait and watch...

We have to deal with Americans first and there are few things which I can't share in public...
I have few restrictions....

Take me seriously!

I respect all of you...kindly respect my views...
 
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Yes sir. In reply to qsaark and SSGPA I already opened a thread couple of months ago and it was a long lasting thread viewed by 4000 people and around 150 or so posts. Anyways, one of the things I told them was that the U.S. is coming from Balochistan. ISI is deeply involved/countering the threat there and CIA/other agencies are practically involved in Balochistan (not talking about their proxies) instead their actual members (white men)..I don't know what they are doing there...
I don't know if you guys believe in God gifted knowledge as in "know" the future (spiritual)....but I know what I have...I see the boots coming from Balochistan and trust me..it seems little awkward but this will be the U.S. last mistake...All I say is wait and watch...I know what I am saying....
I have some "inside" knowledge..
and many things are in "my" control...
One could argue that I am stupid/mental...lol..
but all I am saying is wait and watch...

We have to deal with Americans first and there are few things which I can't share in public...
I have few restrictions....

Take me seriously!

I respect all of you...kindly respect my views...

Whites have even been spotted in FATA, many times meeting certain individuals who aren't Pakistan friendly.

Media has made everyone look in a different direction, what is in reality being played behind the scenes by the intelligence guys is wholly a different story, very few of us know about that. And if its told to others, e.g take this forum, then Zaid Hamid's foot soldier or Conspiracy Theory believers kind of remarks are posted.

Hope one day all of such guys know or see the real story behind the fake one.

May Allah protect Pakistan from its enemies, internal & external. :pakistan:
 
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Oh but I do think reversal works, since Pakistani opinion is shaped by American actions. We saw American actions as the US embargoed Pakistan from 1965 through 1973(?), and essentially lent little support in our wars against the Indians -
130. Information Memorandum From the Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs (Talbot) to Secretary of State Rusk11. Source: National Archives and Records Administration, RG 59, Central Files 1964–66, POL 32–1 INDIA–PAK. Secret....

Washington, June 10, 1965.

* SUBJECT
* Kashmir Ceasefire Line Incident at Kargil

According to reports from United Nations Observer Group (UNMOGIP) sources, on the night of May 16–17 Indian troops attacked and occupied two Pak outposts near Kargil on the Pak side of the Kashmir ceasefire line. On June 6 the Indians reportedly extended their salient by twenty to twenty-five miles to the west of Kargil. The Indians thus far have refused to give up the territory they have occupied. General Nimmo has not yet reported the Indian violation to UN Headquarters in the hope that he will be able to persuade the Indians to withdraw. The Pak posts occupied by the Indians overlooked the strategic Srinagar-to-Leh road, India's only land link to its forces in Ladakh. The Indians for some time have been concerned over possible Sino-Pak cooperation directed against India in sensitive areas -

2590...Following return from Ottawa where he had seen Prime Minister Shastri, Amb. B.K. Nehru came in to see Secretary June 14. Said Shastri had asked him raise extremely serious matter at highest possible level in USG. Shastri wished inform us that if friends of India and Pakistan desired peace on subcontinent they should exert maximum possible pressure on Pakistan to evacuate...India could make no further concessions and could not tolerate Pak occupation Indian territory. If diplomacy fails, India must use force to drive out Pakistan...In response Secretary commented on appalling consequences of subcontinental war which could not be limited to clash between armed forces. Said casualties would be comparable to those of nuclear exchange. Because of this India and Pakistan almost compelled approach idea of war as inconceivable. Since points of difference regarding British proposal small, Secretary saw great imbalance between nature of differences and consequences of war...India and Pakistan should bear this in mind since consequences of war so enormous -

200. Telegram From the Embassy Office in Pakistan to the Department of State11. Source: National Archives and Records Administration, RG 59, Central Files 1964–66, POL 27 INDIA–PAK. Secret; Immediate. Repeated to Karachi, London, New Delhi, USUN, and CINCMEAFSA for POLAD, and passed to the White House, USIA, DOD, and CIA.

Rawalpindi, September 10, 1965, 1005Z.

52. Deptel 312 to Karachi.22. See footnote 2, Document 194. Suspension military aid shipments to Pakistan and India.

..Bhutto read full text which I delivered to him and listened attentively to my exposition of what the action did and did not signify...[the] notice to Karachi and New Delhi that effective September 10 no further commercial licenses for the export of munitions to India and Pakistan were to be issued. In addition, all shipments of munitions to the two countries for which valid licenses had been issued but which had not left the United States were stopped...After long pause he described our action in tone of foreboding as a fateful one which adhered to, would mean that Pak-U.S. relations could not be the same again. He termed the decision an act not of an ally and not even that of a neutral. Rather, it was an act which would be of net benefit to the Indian side. He argued that India with its varied sources of foreign supply, its larger domestic armaments industry and its greater industrial capacity and reserves could stand the loss of U.S. supply flow far better than could Pakistan, which had placed all of its reliance on the U.S. and was almost totally dependent on this one source...Said Paks would fight on to finish with sticks and stones and with bare hands if necessary...

...I sought to stem Bhutto tirade by pointing out that we were convinced that action was for preservation of Pakistan as well as subcontinent as a whole; that unconditional acceptance now by Pakistan of Security Council's and SYG's proposals would in any event protect Pakistan from victimization by superior military power of India; that our action was not punitive or threatening, but an unwillingness (demanded by U.S. public opinion and feelings of humanitarianism) to fuel a destructive conflict totally irreconcilable with the principles of peaceful negotiation and settlement which we believed were the only ones which would work. I told Bhutto it seemed to us that GOP was refusing to abandon the resort to force unless it attained in advance full agreement to its basic objectives as to Kashmir. It was not sensible to assume that this most intractable of world issues that has defied all solution efforts for 18 years could be settled now by the attachment of a Pakistani-prescribed rider to a cease-fire agreement...I told him he knew the matter with us was not one of dollars and cents in this hour of trial but of doing the best we could to stop the holocaust and start the search for a peaceful settlement which could endure.

The difficult meeting ended on a somber note with an oppressive feeling on my part that more ominous developments may be in the air.

- Excerpts from Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964-1968, Volume XXV, South Asia.
 
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Whites have even been spotted in FATA, many times meeting certain individuals who aren't Pakistan friendly.

Media has made everyone look in a different direction, what is in reality being played behind the scenes by the intelligence guys is wholly a different story, very few of us know about that. And if its told to others, e.g take this forum, then Zaid Hamid's foot soldier or Conspiracy Theory believers kind of remarks are posted.

Hope one day all of such guys know or see the real story behind the fake one.

May Allah protect Pakistan from its enemies, internal & external. :pakistan:

Yes...but I fail to understand that what are they doing there? There are formal U.S. security personnel with guns etc in Balochistan...What is their job? They come and go to Afghanistan...
and I can name the area where they are...These guys are still not caught but let me assure you they are very near to be haunted!
 
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Seems like no one wants to answer!!


What are they doing in Balochistan?

With guns travelling through Afghanistan...

Whats their duty?
What are they looking for?

It isn't a covert operation (proxy mission) instead it is something else...
I see soldiers...>> commandos

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SOLOMON do you know that guy with no brain = happy guy
guy with a brain that hurts,
But hell you dont have to worry.
 
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^^^^^^^
Is that supposed to be some sort of excuse for slavishly following the will of others?
 
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