Thanks for looking me up Sir. Though lazy but not exactly a sleeper account I must say. I find it best to whimper when it seems that I could add to an opinion. Instead of my account being legitimate, let us focus on whether the discussion is worthy.
There was no need to look you up, you are all over the place.
Why waste words. Please peruse of the following analysis of the budget of the dumb nation that does not deserve a smart army!! It is from a bloody civilian press though, do not know how much this is going to count. Phew, what has the world come to? Questioning the Pakistani Army, I mean!!
Army’s one-day spending equivalent to one-year education ministry budget
Umar Cheema
Sunday, June 05, 2011
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan spends Rs1.35 billion per day over the three armed forces just under the head of salaries and operating expenses only, Rs8.60 million daily on the president and prime minister, Rs7.8 million per day on the Senate and National Assembly but a paltry amount of three lakh rupees per day to take care of human rights, show the budget documents.
It further discloses that the Army’s one-day spending is equivalent to the running year’s total allocation for education ministry, and the air-force’s per day expenditures far exceedwhat was allocated to the health ministry for running the financial year ending this month.
In the new financial year, as many as Rs495.215 billion has been allocated for the armed services only and the amount to be spent on the purchase and maintenance of military hardware is apart from thist. Going by the above cited figure means that Rs1.35 billion is spent on the three armed services each day.
A further break-up indicates that Rs640.37 million will be utilized by the Army per day; a sum equivalent to the running year’s budgetary allocation for the ministry of education. Although the ministry has been devolved now with no new allocation made under its head, last year’s budget for the ministry was Rs640 million which means Rs1.7 million a day. The allocated amount for the entire year for the education ministry last year, Rs640 million, is spent in a day by the Army for meeting its salaries and operating expenses only.
Likewise, the health ministry’s running year’s budget was less than the one-day spending of the air force. The ministry that has also been devolved now got budgetary allocation of Rs269 million for 2010-2011 whereas the air force’s per day spending is Rs290.86 million. Pakistan Navy’s spending per day is Rs141.80 million.
How much is spent on the ISI, the premier intelligence agency, is anybody’s guess as the budgetary allocation for the agency is not included in the amount specified for the armed forces.
The PML-N had demanded a debate on the defence budget and the allocations for the intelligence agencies, but the point has neither been taken seriously by the government nor pressed further by the major opposition party.
In addition to the massive defence spending, the expenditures of the prime minister and president also raise many eyebrows. The prime minister of Pakistan, for example, spends an amount of Rs4.3 million per day on foreign tours and the president around one million of rupees.
According to the budgetary allocation, the daily expenses of the Prime Minister Secretariat are Rs1.5 million in addition to Rs4.3 million each day that goes towards spending on the PM and his delegations’ foreign tours.
Likewise, the presidency’s budgetary allocation shows that a sum of Rs931,506.85 will be spent per day on his foreign tour and Rs1.322 million on the presidential secretariat. An accumulated amount of the president and PM’s expense is Rs8.60 million per day. Next comes the Senate and National Assembly Secretariat which constitute a total amount of Rs7.8 million per day. Going by that figure it shows that tax-payers would be spending five million rupees on the National Assembly Secretariat each day and Rs2.8 millions per day over Senate.
This massive spending is in contrast with the plight of human rights in Pakistan and the government’s non-serious attitude towards it. The next financial year’s budget indicates that a meagre sum of Rs110 million has been allocated which means three lakh rupees per day. Again, this amount has been allocated for employees’ related expenses as otherwise the ministry of human rights has no presence on the ground.
This is in contrast with the plight of human rights in a country like ours where even journalists are killed like dogs and cats.
An official of the ministry said they don’t have sufficient budget to create awareness, and conduct fact-finding missions. Most of the paperwork is done through media reports as neither the ministry has transport nor enough staff members to verify facts about human rights abuses taking places.
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^^i knew that would be the best you would come up with.
But then does this negates the fact that 60-70% of our budget goes in debt servicing and PSDP? "Debt servicing and PSDP constitute 60-70% of the National Budget, another 19% is spent on General Public Services. Only 16 % of the National Budget is spent on Defence Forces which comes to 2.7% of our GDP (2010-11)
Or does this negate the fact that Armed Forces contribute an average 60-70% of the allocated budget annually, towards National economy by way of taxes and foreign remittances. Army contributed Rs 146.8 Bn against budget allocation of Rs 146 Bn for year 2009/10. - that's to say, the Army didnt put ANY load on the National Budget and thus a common Pakistan, is that what indian army do?
Or does this negate the fact that this year too the defence budget (though increased from the last year) is within the lines?
Or does this negate the fact that out of the the often quoted figure of US $ 13-15 Billion utilised by the Army in last ten years which is misplaced, the GoP under the head of Coalition Support Fund (CSF), against a total sum of US $ 13 Billion expected from the US, has received only US $ 8.6 Billion and that he Government had further made available only US $ 1.4 Billion to the Army over last ten years. A relatively smaller amount has gone to Navy and PAF as well. The rest i.e. approximately US $ 6 Billion, have been utilised by the Government of Pakistan for budgetary support which ultimately means the people of Pakistan (The figures quoted here have been reconciled with the Ministry of Finance)?
Or does it negate the fact that the Fauji Foundation provides:
-Welfare services include free Healthcare, Subsidized Education, Education Stipends, Vocational and Technical training.
- Has contributed approx.
Rs. 34 billion (USD 572 million) to the national exchequer in the form of taxes, duties, and levies in FY2008.
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Expenditure on Welfare Services is over Rs. 23.8 billion since inception; in FY2008 Welfare Expenditure was Rs. 2.6 billion (USD 42 million).
-Approx.
41,112 students enrolled in the FF Education System.
-Treat approx.
2.3 million patients per year through our Healthcare Services.
-Fauji Group currently
employs approx. 12,411 people.
Fauji Foundation
See, manipulating the facts will only get to so far! How about i start comparing poors inside india with that of africa? Does that sound arguable?
Looks like that "being on the backseat" seems to be deigning a favour to the Pakistani populace. Is that so Sire? The army is supposed to tow the line that the bloody civilians tell it to. That is the job of the army and that is why it is paid. It is not paid to pluck the elected government out of the seat at their whim and fancy. Strange that you are bemoaning the inefficiency and ineffectiveness of the institutions that the Pakistani army has with its regular intereference turned in to an ineffective and operationally impotent bunch! Why should the average Pakistani take the blame for what Zia did or what Yahya did or what Musharraf did in Kargill and later in Pakistan? The average Pakistani could be held responsible for what Bhutto did or what Benazir did or what Nawaz did or what Zardari is doing today because the Pakistanis elected them. The army has not business trying to load their inefficiency and incompetency on the average Pakistani by saying that it is the dumb Pakistanis who deserve the dumb army.
Abbottabad was not because of Zardari, neither was Mehran, nor is the drone strike in Waziristans yesterday. If the army was so apolitical, why would Panetta meet just the Generals and leave? Bureaucrats do not meet solely Generals in any other democracy worth its salt!
You got to try better Sir if you want to continue deflecting the blame of the mess that Army created on the poor bloody civilians. Turds are not floating!! I can bring up a lot of information and facts if you would like. But possibly you would like to keep it a general discussion I think. (?)
Ahh..the usual rant again that too without getting ones fact straight.
The military
had towed the line because the politicians failed to come up to the standards that were expected out of them.
The american generals meet pakistan generals because the likes of Zardari and Gillani has sanctioned so, they infact dont want to meet them, they infact want the Army to tackle the issue and in case it back fires, they want that then the Army should face the music and they could again come up with new slogans and get elected.
The policy is very clear on the drone attacks, the military says NO to the drones, and it has asked/requested the Govt to tell them to bring them down, my signatures would clear it further, because bringing down a USAF marked drone is not routine affair, it would result in a backlash, which the Army and PAF wants the Nation to perepare for and for which the orders/instruction must come from the elected officials. What;s so hard to understand in that? But you wont understand, i know, because the purpose of your debate is not legit!
And now when the Army wants to civilian leadership to step ahead and take charge of the this, why feel gloomy now? Why dont grow the balls and do it? The Army did wha it had to. It was not the Army that created talibans, it was the CIA, but at the that time it were your heroes, it were the saviours of Capitalism and everyone including yourself praise it because the Superpower wanted them to be respected, and now when they are biting back, they want them to be hated. Well guess what, we are hating them, we have lost 5000 uniforms and 35000 civies while we fought them, so why the BMCing now? Cant handle too much respect and authority, i guess?
P.S. Bring on the 'lot of info', let's see what you have got in your kitty, but if that 'info' of yours would have been discussed before on this forum, then you deserve no response from our side, no counter arguments and respect at all! And yes, try to keep pace with the happenings and developments in your surroundings and also the discussion that it yields, it is always the basic rule of any discussion to go further, or else one lands up Bing, Ming and Cing and running in circles, which ofcourse is LAME!
Bring up something new, which has not be discussed or else have the courage to discuss the old things in the relevant threads, that's another rule of open foruming, if you didnt know it previously.
