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Saudi Arabia is normalising relations with Israel
Monday, 10 August 2020

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A drama series telecast on the Saudi-controlled MBC during the holy month of Ramadan is being seen as a clear signal from Saudi Arabia about its growing ties with Israel.

The TV series, ‘Umm Haroun’ (mother of Aaron), begins with a long monologue in Hebrew, in which a Jewish character says “we are the Gulf Jews who were born in the Gulf lands.”

Although Saudi-Israeli, behind-the-scene parleys, have been an open secret for long, since Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, popularly known as MbS, took over as the de facto ruler the warming of ties between two bitter enemies of Iran has become quite obvious.

The first clear sign of rapprochement came when in 2018 in an interview to the US magazine The Atlantic, MbS said that Israelis are entitled to live peacefully on their own land, a complete U-turn from the stated Saudi policy that normalisation of relations hinges on an Israeli withdrawal from lands captured in the 1967 Middle East war – territory Palestinians seek for a future state.

Although the drama series has sparked sharp criticism among the Arabs, especially Palestinians, who still see Israel as the real enemy of Arabs and Muslims, political analysts say both the states are following the badge the enemy of my enemy is my friend as both see Iran as a real threat to them.

Writing in Haaretz, commentator Zvi Bar’el says Saudi Arabia has emerged as Israel’s ‘dream state’. He says Israel has no better ally than Saudi Arabia. It fights Hezbollah and overthrew the Lebanese prime minister who had lived in peace with that organization for a year. There is no other country in the world, including the United States, that acts with such resolve against Iran. Saudi Arabia even went to war in Yemen, not for the Yemenis, who as far as Riyadh is concerned could die of starvation, but to block Iran’s influence.

Bar’el further says it seems as if Saudi Arabia would be happy to have Israel join the “Sunni axis”. He says to be part of this new alliance, Israel may have to make some concession and does not see any harm in reviving the Saudi peace initiative, which calls for Arab normalisation with Israel in return for withdrawing from the occupied Palestinian territories.

However, many Middle East experts don’t expect Saudis to push the Israelis on the Palestinian issue as their priorities have changed.

This view is in consonance with the theme of drama Exit 7, also telecast during Ramadan, which shows that Saudis are abandoning the Palestinian cause as one character played by Saudi actor Rashid Al Shamrani says he would happily do business with Israelis and argues that Palestinians are the real enemy for “insulting” Saudi Arabia “day and night.”

However, the biggest indication came when Saudi newspaper Arab News published a long interview of Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdul Karim Al-Issa, secretary-general of the Muslim World League, a leading religious Muslim nongovernmental organization based in Makkah.

Quoting the Quran and hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad), Sheikh Al-Issa said: “It is permissible to engage in normal business and friendly relations with members of other faiths, including Jews, as was the case in the Prophet Muhammad’s time.”

Further endorsing relations with Jews, he said: “With our Jewish brothers, we concluded agreements and mutual cooperation, and we love them and respect them greatly, far from the problems of politics, as our principle is not to interfere in politics.”

Speaking on the alliance with the Jewish state, Sheikh Al-Issa quoted the famous Madinah Charter. Calling it as Prophet Muhammad’s signature achievement, he told the paper that the Madinah Charter was an example of Islam’s position on religious existence put into practice.

“The Prophet has signed the most important Islamic constitutional document, which is the Madinah Charter, which preserved religious and civil rights, as well as provided for Jews and others to live within Madinah in dignity as part of the ummah (community),” he said.

Sheikh Al-Issa said: “The neighbour of the prophet was a Jew, whom he visited and accepted his hospitality, and considered all the food of the Jews permissible for Muslims, permitted marriage to them, and built a family from a Jewish mother, and the Jewish community lived with Muslims in Madinah in peace.”

Highlighting the sharp shift in the Saudi policy towards Israel, Sheikh Al-Issa compared the Muslim Brotherhood to Al-Qaeda and Daesh (ISIS) in a Ramadan programme on MBC. He said the Brotherhood ideology was the gateway drug leading students to join Al-Qaeda, Daesh, Hamas and other terrorist organizations, who hunt down and punish Muslims deemed insufficiently subservient.

In his op-ed article in Arab News, Ronald S. Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, says: “A revolution is taking place in the Arab world that is quietly moving the Middle East’s tectonic plates in ways no one ever thought possible. The old broadside attacks against Israelis by almost all Arab countries have quietly dissipated and the evidence is as clear as the nightly television entertainment shows that people are watching.”

Lauder, who accompanied Sheikh Al-Issa on his groundbreaking visit to Auschwitz, says, it’s amazing that a TV show (Um Haroun) has led to a constructive dialogue and bridge-building.

Lauder concluded his article by saying that the most encouraging aspect of the silent revolution taking place in the Middle East is that it’s coming out of the highest political levels as well, with the Saudi monarchy that holds tremendous sway across the Muslim world as the custodian of the two holiest sites in Islam.

Commentator Seraj Assi writing in Haaretz says King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, founder of Saudi Arabia, must be turning in his grave on seeing this public flirtation between Israel and Saudi Arabia that has sent waves of jubilation across the Jewish state.

Assi says: “In what resembles a classic display of an unholy alliance, the two countries look as if they had buried their hatchet and old rivalries under the Iranian rug. What once seemed an eternal enmity of biblical dimensions is now celebrated as the beginning of a wonderful partnership.”

Saudi Arabia for long portrayed it as the custodian of Islam and champion of Arab unity and the Palestinian cause. However, the common enemy Iran has forced it to abandon this narrative and join hands with Israel.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/opinion/125907/has-saudi-arabia-become-ideal-state-for-israel/


 
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The World According to MBS
Jul 31, 2020JOHN ANDREWS
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is wooing his country’s young people in order to head off the sort of discontent that erupted across the Middle East during the 2011 Arab Spring. As two recent books show, the events of almost a decade ago still weigh heavily on Arab governments and publics alike.

WINCHESTER, UK – Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman – known to Saudis and foreigners alike as MBS – is already his country’s de facto ruler, owing to the infirmity of his 84-year-old father, King Salman. With the king currently recovering from gallbladder surgery, the spotlight is shining even more brightly on his anointed successor. The big question is what MBS – a 34-year-old leader in a country long known as a gerontocracy – portends both for Saudi Arabia and the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia traditionally exercised its influence abroad by doling out money to supplicants, be they the Palestine Liberation Organization or governments in Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan, and by managing the oil price set by OPEC. As the guardian of Mecca and Medina, Islam’s holiest sites, the kingdom could always rely on the respect and even the deference of the Muslim world. In both foreign and domestic policy, successive Saudi rulers preferred glacially slow evolution to rapid, sweeping change.

But that was before MBS. As Ben Hubbard shows in his eponymous, highly readable assessment of the crown prince’s extraordinarily rapid rise to quasi-dictatorial power, MBS has abandoned gradualism with a decisiveness that Machiavelli would have approved.
 
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Saudi Arabia is normalising relations with Israel
Monday, 10 August 2020

99.jpg

A drama series telecast on the Saudi-controlled MBC during the holy month of Ramadan is being seen as a clear signal from Saudi Arabia about its growing ties with Israel.

The TV series, ‘Umm Haroun’ (mother of Aaron), begins with a long monologue in Hebrew, in which a Jewish character says “we are the Gulf Jews who were born in the Gulf lands.”

Although Saudi-Israeli, behind-the-scene parleys, have been an open secret for long, since Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, popularly known as MbS, took over as the de facto ruler the warming of ties between two bitter enemies of Iran has become quite obvious.

The first clear sign of rapprochement came when in 2018 in an interview to the US magazine The Atlantic, MbS said that Israelis are entitled to live peacefully on their own land, a complete U-turn from the stated Saudi policy that normalisation of relations hinges on an Israeli withdrawal from lands captured in the 1967 Middle East war – territory Palestinians seek for a future state.

Although the drama series has sparked sharp criticism among the Arabs, especially Palestinians, who still see Israel as the real enemy of Arabs and Muslims, political analysts say both the states are following the badge the enemy of my enemy is my friend as both see Iran as a real threat to them.

Writing in Haaretz, commentator Zvi Bar’el says Saudi Arabia has emerged as Israel’s ‘dream state’. He says Israel has no better ally than Saudi Arabia. It fights Hezbollah and overthrew the Lebanese prime minister who had lived in peace with that organization for a year. There is no other country in the world, including the United States, that acts with such resolve against Iran. Saudi Arabia even went to war in Yemen, not for the Yemenis, who as far as Riyadh is concerned could die of starvation, but to block Iran’s influence.

Bar’el further says it seems as if Saudi Arabia would be happy to have Israel join the “Sunni axis”. He says to be part of this new alliance, Israel may have to make some concession and does not see any harm in reviving the Saudi peace initiative, which calls for Arab normalisation with Israel in return for withdrawing from the occupied Palestinian territories.

However, many Middle East experts don’t expect Saudis to push the Israelis on the Palestinian issue as their priorities have changed.

This view is in consonance with the theme of drama Exit 7, also telecast during Ramadan, which shows that Saudis are abandoning the Palestinian cause as one character played by Saudi actor Rashid Al Shamrani says he would happily do business with Israelis and argues that Palestinians are the real enemy for “insulting” Saudi Arabia “day and night.”

However, the biggest indication came when Saudi newspaper Arab News published a long interview of Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdul Karim Al-Issa, secretary-general of the Muslim World League, a leading religious Muslim nongovernmental organization based in Makkah.

Quoting the Quran and hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad), Sheikh Al-Issa said: “It is permissible to engage in normal business and friendly relations with members of other faiths, including Jews, as was the case in the Prophet Muhammad’s time.”

Further endorsing relations with Jews, he said: “With our Jewish brothers, we concluded agreements and mutual cooperation, and we love them and respect them greatly, far from the problems of politics, as our principle is not to interfere in politics.”

Speaking on the alliance with the Jewish state, Sheikh Al-Issa quoted the famous Madinah Charter. Calling it as Prophet Muhammad’s signature achievement, he told the paper that the Madinah Charter was an example of Islam’s position on religious existence put into practice.

“The Prophet has signed the most important Islamic constitutional document, which is the Madinah Charter, which preserved religious and civil rights, as well as provided for Jews and others to live within Madinah in dignity as part of the ummah (community),” he said.

Sheikh Al-Issa said: “The neighbour of the prophet was a Jew, whom he visited and accepted his hospitality, and considered all the food of the Jews permissible for Muslims, permitted marriage to them, and built a family from a Jewish mother, and the Jewish community lived with Muslims in Madinah in peace.”

Highlighting the sharp shift in the Saudi policy towards Israel, Sheikh Al-Issa compared the Muslim Brotherhood to Al-Qaeda and Daesh (ISIS) in a Ramadan programme on MBC. He said the Brotherhood ideology was the gateway drug leading students to join Al-Qaeda, Daesh, Hamas and other terrorist organizations, who hunt down and punish Muslims deemed insufficiently subservient.

In his op-ed article in Arab News, Ronald S. Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, says: “A revolution is taking place in the Arab world that is quietly moving the Middle East’s tectonic plates in ways no one ever thought possible. The old broadside attacks against Israelis by almost all Arab countries have quietly dissipated and the evidence is as clear as the nightly television entertainment shows that people are watching.”

Lauder, who accompanied Sheikh Al-Issa on his groundbreaking visit to Auschwitz, says, it’s amazing that a TV show (Um Haroun) has led to a constructive dialogue and bridge-building.

Lauder concluded his article by saying that the most encouraging aspect of the silent revolution taking place in the Middle East is that it’s coming out of the highest political levels as well, with the Saudi monarchy that holds tremendous sway across the Muslim world as the custodian of the two holiest sites in Islam.

Commentator Seraj Assi writing in Haaretz says King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, founder of Saudi Arabia, must be turning in his grave on seeing this public flirtation between Israel and Saudi Arabia that has sent waves of jubilation across the Jewish state.

Assi says: “In what resembles a classic display of an unholy alliance, the two countries look as if they had buried their hatchet and old rivalries under the Iranian rug. What once seemed an eternal enmity of biblical dimensions is now celebrated as the beginning of a wonderful partnership.”

Saudi Arabia for long portrayed it as the custodian of Islam and champion of Arab unity and the Palestinian cause. However, the common enemy Iran has forced it to abandon this narrative and join hands with Israel.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/opinion/125907/has-saudi-arabia-become-ideal-state-for-israel/


FOR F**K'S SAKE STOP OPENING THREAD ON FAKE ACCOUNT'S TWEET. HOW LOW CAN YOU GET PDF MEMBERS IN ORDER TO PROVE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
 
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FOR F**K'S SAKE STOP OPENING THREAD ON FAKE ACCOUNT'S TWEET. HOW LOW CAN YOU GET PDF MEMBERS IN ORDER TO PROVE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

He has 15,000 followers and is a verified twitter account. Stop shouting.
 
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israel also has relations with china and most of technology transfer from u.s to china is purposely done by israeli lobby in u.s to keep u.s within limits so it not means we end relationship with china,similarly relationship with saudis should continue provided it is based on mutual respect and independence
 
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israel also has relations with china and most of technology transfer from u.s to china is purposely done by israeli lobby in u.s to keep u.s within limits so it not means we end relationship with china,similarly relationship with saudis should continue provided it is based on mutual respect and independence
As long as you realize that KSA is the Zionist elder twin of Imposter Israel and is an enemy to Muslims.
This is what Pakistan should have in the back of her mind when she deals with KSA.
 
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lol I don’t understand if KSa is such a bad why we beg money from them every time and might be in future also .along with deferred oil. Or all these revelation just happened in last one year ...we are also selling to mayamer and everyone knows what they are doing with Rohingyas and our silence on ugyr issues .. Pakistan and KsA both are not as clean as everyone pretends if we speak on moral ground..
Fake twitter account and youtuber spreading news for there clicks..
Every one is good until we are receiving money and then one day if turn out a bad because money flow has stop (on short term basis )..
Neither Ksa nor Pakistan thinks for Muslims and everyone following there own agenda ..this is harsh reality these you tubers will not speak off
 
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"The first clear sign of rapprochement came when in 2018 in an interview to the US magazine The Atlantic, MbS said that Israelis are entitled to live peacefully on their own land, a complete U-turn from the stated Saudi policy that normalisation of relations hinges on an Israeli withdrawal from lands captured in the 1967 Middle East war – territory Palestinians seek for a future state."

This is fabricated news and opinion based on false assumptions by the author.. as MBS talked about the necessity of two coexisting states.. Usrael state and a Palestinian state..So he was talking about Usrael state in this context..

For the rest.. Iran itself has a Jewish community and a big Jewish diaspora in Usrael.. besides that.. Dealing with Jews all over the world with mutual respect has nothing to do with Zionist Usrael.. it is more a question of religion, that this author tried to politicise in the frame of his own fake agenda..
 
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Brothers, societies and countries change over time and we need to get used to the realities. Saudi is not the country as we know it of Shah Faysal, and we are the ones who are stuck in good old times and the image we got for that land. Thanks to Covid 19 first time i had some free time other then the rat race and i went through few Muslim history books and all i was interested was to know of the past failings and why are we at such a low ebb. In essence we were well and good till we held on to one nation, one body of Islam and as soon as we got some worldly goods we became divided, selfish, treacherous and started pleasing the natives. MBS have lived and studied abroad, so he have got mind set of Western values and luxuries. His loyalties are not for the past friends and brothers and I don't see any reason not in the distant future Arabs travelling from other countries to the kingdom for the clubbing reason rather then the Haj, like they travel to UAE for drinking, Egypt for belly dancing and Beirut for gambling.
There will be people in our lands and may be in Saudi too who wish to topple the regime as soon as at the first signs of Israel embassy opening but that's the reality we are dealing with as our prophet PBUH kick those killers out of our lands and MBS invited them in. Still he wants to be the leader of the OIC to keeps on back stabbing like he did to the Palestinian cause and now to the Kashmir cause. When a love of your life woman drops her knickers to someone else instead of covering her up turn your back and walk away for good otherwise what ever you do is a mess of huge proportions and we are not in some different position at the moment. Personally i think we should leave this treacherous nest of OIC and all this reliance on GCC and knowing well the financial pain will be unbearable or delay it till CPEC phase II completes and have very little to do with the both of them till then. Our love for the lands of the kingdom is unconditional for obvious reasons but its time to move on from the reliance and friendships of the past and which no longer are reciprocated and we need to charter our own destiny for ourselves.
 
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israel also has relations with china and most of technology transfer from u.s to china is purposely done by israeli lobby in u.s to keep u.s within limits so it not means we end relationship with china,similarly relationship with saudis should continue provided it is based on mutual respect and independence

It is important to conduct relations with Israel. What people don't realize that by having trade and relations with Israel, if you play it right, you will hold a degree of leverage over them.

Secondly, it will be beneficial to yourself as well.

But it should be done by not compromising on the Palestinian cause.
 
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So UAE just made it public...
https://www.dawn.com/news/1574213/israel-uae-reach-historic-peace-agreement

Relations were under the wraps for 20 years or so, now coming to public. UAE and KSA monarchies getting nearer to their demise.

UAE is against CPEC and has been supporting BLA. KSA also becoming totally commercial in their dealings. Need to wait death of king Salman and all hell will break loose in KSA in a war for throne.
 
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