Pakistani and Saudi Relations + Saudi and Israeli Alliance = Conflict

[SQ8]

There is a huge disconnect between Arab people and Arab ruling elite. Royal orders pass to the masses....it's just informing the nation, what King's ambition. Now is the age of violent splinter groups and small clans who follow their own ideas and interpretation of any religion they follow. Here is a bigger issue in case of Isreal existence. Islam and Palestinian .... a well known late Islamic Scholar (Dr Israr Ahmed) who lost his lectures on PTV in Zia era , because in his few lectures he gave detail interpretation of this verse ......

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Well orthodox jews believe, Israel will be a freed , when sacred signs will appeared without violence. Even if the countries officially accept Isreal, what is the solution of muslims who recite and interpret Quranic verses daily and believe them .....

There is a huge disconnect between our perception of what the definition of a common Arab and their thought process which is misleading our optimism on their response to a normalization of relationship with Israel.

The common people of Egypt - the same nation that had its soldiers martyred twice in the fight against Israel and lost swathes of territory now accept ties as normal. Jordan, which also lost territory and men now trains with the Israelis at their airbases.
That leaves Lebanon,Iraq and Syria which in effect no longer exist as threats to Israel as such and Iran which is really showboating most of the time.

Riyadh, considered more conservative than Makkah or Medina in 2003 was women under strict lockdown and Abayas; today has women driving and working, couples hanging out normally and in less strict dress codes along with increasing collusion at work.
Modern chains and business thrive there nearly as much as the UAE. Even the young lower middle class of KSA now is fairly skilled technically and taking over jobs normally done by immigrant workers.

So who really are the masses which are upset and angry who will riot in the streets? The millions of immigrants? Half of them are Indians so irrelevant, Bangladeshis who play it safe and the remaining are Pakistanis who are still third class residents that can be thrown out or replaced easily so they wont say anything except whimper.

Quoting an Ayah is fine, but actually becoming the character for whom the ayah was the penultimate precursor to is more important. Neither the Arabs, Pakistanis nor Turks or Indonesians are near that definition which they never agree on anyway - so until that happens (how, why and when is upto Allah) it is better to fight these battles personally than expect some mass revolution.

 

[airmarshal]

I have been the biggest critic of Saudi Arabia and even shared article that Saudis are looking to normalize relations with Israel.

However, today's statement makes it clear that Saudis are not going to accept Israel. We still dont know though what kind of contact Saudis have with Israel.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296133576996651008

 

[HAIDER]

There is a huge disconnect between our perception of what the definition of a common Arab and their thought process which is misleading our optimism on their response to a normalization of relationship with Israel.

The common people of Egypt - the same nation that had its soldiers martyred twice in the fight against Israel and lost swathes of territory now accept ties as normal. Jordan, which also lost territory and men now trains with the Israelis at their airbases.
That leaves Lebanon,Iraq and Syria which in effect no longer exist as threats to Israel as such and Iran which is really showboating most of the time.

Riyadh, considered more conservative than Makkah or Medina in 2003 was women under strict lockdown and Abayas; today has women driving and working, couples hanging out normally and in less strict dress codes along with increasing collusion at work.
Modern chains and business thrive there nearly as much as the UAE. Even the young lower middle class of KSA now is fairly skilled technically and taking over jobs normally done by immigrant workers.

So who really are the masses which are upset and angry who will riot in the streets? The millions of immigrants? Half of them are Indians so irrelevant, Bangladeshis who play it safe and the remaining are Pakistanis who are still third class residents that can be thrown out or replaced easily so they wont say anything except whimper.

Quoting an Ayah is fine, but actually becoming the character for whom the ayah was the penultimate precursor to is more important. Neither the Arabs, Pakistanis nor Turks or Indonesians are near that definition which they never agree on anyway - so until that happens (how, why and when is upto Allah) it is better to fight these battles personally than expect some mass revolution.

Yes, Anwar Sadat awarded a bullet for this peace deal on Oct 6, 1981. Have doubts what you wrote... ground reality is very different. Hardcore Islamist has very deep roots in GCC and rest of ME.

 

[Cherub786]

Yes, Anwar Sadat awarded a bullet for this peace deal on Oct 6, 1981. Have doubts what you wrote... ground reality is very different. Hardcore Islamist has very deep roots in GCC and rest of ME.

The irony is Anwar Sadat was the most favorable regime for the Islamists. He allowed them to come out of the closet after they were horrifically persecuted and tortured by that pig Nasser. Some radical idiots murdered Sadat رحمة الله عليه but then he is only replaced by Mubarak and now Sisi. So was it really worth it?

 

[HAIDER]

The irony is Anwar Sadat was the most favorable regime for the Islamists. He allowed them to come out of the closet after they were horrifically persecuted and tortured by that pig Nasser. Some radical idiots murdered Sadat رحمة الله عليه but then he is only replaced by Mubarak and now Sisi. So was it really worth it?

Again radicalism and politics are mixed in Arab culture .... which never stopped but it grew over the period of time.
Here are few lines from the pages of history ...

The mother of Khaled Al-Islambouli – the army officer who assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Al-Sadat in 1981 – has expressed pride in her son during an interview with Iran's state-run Fars news agency.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...-my-son-Khaled-killed-Anwar-Sadat-Mother.aspx

"I am very proud that my son killed Anwar Al-Sadat," said Mrs Qadriya, 85. "[The government] called him a terrorist, a criminal, and a murderer, but they didn’t say that was he was defending Islam. They didn’t say anything about the oppressed people in Palestine, about Camp David, or how Sadat sold out the country to the Jews and violated the honour of the Islamic nation."

 

[Cherub786]

Again radicalism and politics are mixed in Arab culture

Exactly. Not just the Arabs, Muslims in general conflate Islam with opposition to peace with the State of Israel, which has no foundation whatsoever. It's actually the leftists and the secular Arabists who introduced this narrative into the Muslim world that Israel is our enemy. The Islamists of the 1950s were not inherently anti-Israel, but they were forced to adapt that stance in order to save their credibility with ordinary Muslims that were brainwashed by the state propaganda machines. At one point, the State of Israel was actually funding Muslim Brotherhood and even Hamas to undermine the secular Arabist groups.
I don't consider myself an "Islamist" but I am a conservative, orthodox and devoted Sunni Muslim who hates leftist secularism. Israel is our natural ally against secular fascist regimes like Syria, and against anti-Sunni, sectarian regimes like Iran and Iraq.

 

[Path-Finder]

I have been the biggest critic of Saudi Arabia and even shared article that Saudis are looking to normalize relations with Israel.

However, today's statement makes it clear that Saudis are not going to accept Israel. We still dont know though what kind of contact Saudis have with Israel.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296133576996651008

I think its wrong to say that they will not officially accept them. But postponed the official acceptance after testing the waters. But they will accept officially as they have relations with them at present.