Pakistani and Bangladeshi migrants having big families to claim benefits

[Developereo]

There's not a significant difference between Pakistani and other low-income countries -- indeed the trends are towards equalization.

By that same chart, Indians outbreed Chinese. So should the Chinese go around scoring points over the Indians because of that?

A rapid and continuing decline of TFR for the Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups since 1987 support the idea of fertility convergence across ethnic groups in the UK although some differences remain between groups.


This woman is drudging up old prejudices -- especially vile ones. One wonders why...

 

[Roybot]

There's not a significant difference between Pakistani and other low-income countries -- indeed the trends are towards equalization.

By that same chart, Indians outbreed Chinese. So should the Chinese go around scoring points over the Indians because of that?

A rapid and continuing decline of TFR for the Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups since 1987 support the idea of fertility convergence across ethnic groups in the UK although some differences remain between groups.


This woman is drudging up old prejudices -- especially vile ones. One wonders why...

Its not how about many kids you have. Produce 10 kids if you want, but if only you can afford to look after them. MoreChinese and Indians have jobs, unlike British Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

 

[jayron]

South Asian muslims are known to have more children and generally, poor immigrants in western countries exploit state welfare. I don't know how wise it is to club the two. Being a Hindu Indian, she should be all the more careful of what she's saying.

 

[monitor]

Problem i think about getting social benefit not whether the parents afford the child or not . As the asian parents tends to have more child then the europian and getting social benefit thats what puzzle the brtish

 

[Developereo]

Its not how about many kids you have. Produce 10 kids if you want, but if only you can afford to look after them. MoreChinese and Indians have jobs, unlike British Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

Perhaps you didn't read the chart or the report. Fertility rates are equalizing.

But I do agree that Muslim migrants in the UK face much worse job discrimination than other migrants.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3885213.stm

 

[Roybot]

Perhaps you didn't read the chart or the report. Fertility rates are equalizing.

But I do agree that Muslim migrants in the UK face much worse job discrimination than other migrants.

BBC NEWS | Business | 'Shocking' racism in jobs market

No I did, perhaps you should have read the news article before coming up with anti-Muslim, anti Pakistan, evil Indian, Islamophobia excuses.

This is what the "Baroness" said, and mind you changes are meant for every Britisher, not just Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

The former Tory peer also claimed Indian families had a different mentality to Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities in the UK.

"Indians have fallen into the pattern here," she told peers. "They do not have large families because they are like the Jews of old. They want their children to be educated.

"This is the other problem - there is no emphasis on education in the Pakistani and Bangladeshi families."

Baroness Flather called for a gradual reduction in benefits in order to discourage large families and suggested payments should be reduced after a couple's first two children.

She said: "I really feel that for the first two children there should be a full raft of benefits, for the third child three-quarters and for the fourth child a half."

She is not saying Pakistanis and Bangladeshis should stop having kids. All she is saying is that if you can't afford to look after so many kids, then don't have that many. They are planning to make some changes to the social welfare system in UK, and this statement was made towards that.

And Muslims alone don't face "racism" at work. Not getting a job is one thing, unwillingness to work at all is something else.

 

[Bombay Dude]

Developereo,

What if the statement was made by a White Man?

You cited lack of supporting evidence to back up her statement, here the chart presented does speak volumes!

Regarding Indians and Chinese, there is something called an acceptable limit, Normal TFR is 2.1, the former two are perfectly within it even Indian Muslims!

While Pakistanis and Bangladeshis breach it by volatile margins!

Your fallicious attempts to negate the message under the shadow of discrimination, freedom of speech, her Indian connection does not lower the breeding grounds surviving on the benefits!

 

[Developereo]

No I did, perhaps you should have read the news article before coming up with anti-Muslim, anti Pakistan, evil Indian, Islamophobia excuses.

The anti-Muslim, anti-Pakistan charge is perfectly justified in her case because she is making gratuitous comparisons between Pakistani/Bangladeshi v/s Indian migrants. If she wants to say Indians are good migrants, well and good. Why bring in Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? She is propping up Indians deliberately at the expense of other migrants.

And Muslims alone don't face "racism" at work. Not getting a job is one thing, unwillingness to work at all is something else.

From the above link,

All the applicants were given the same standard of qualifications and experience, but their CVs were presented differently.
[...]
Almost a quarter of applications by two candidates given traditionally "white" names - Jenny Hughes and John Andrews - resulted in interview offers.

But only 9% of the "Muslim" applications, by the fictitious Fatima Khan and Nasser Hanif, prompted a similar response.
[...]
Letters from the "black" candidates, Abu Olasemi and Yinka Olatunde, had a 13% success rate.

 

[Developereo]

here the chart presented does speak volumes!

It does indeed. I suggest you take a closer look at the trends.

First the charge was they are breeding the most. When it was shown the trends have been equalizing for some years, the charge became that they are jobless. Now that job discrimination has been shown -- by none other than the BBC -- we'll hear some other excuse.

Bottom line argument seems to be: if you are a migrant facing discrimination, better not have kids.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

There was no India before 1947. Something I learned on this forum. So she can't be an Indian.

Correction: no Republic of India

 

[Roybot]

The anti-Muslim, anti-Pakistan charge is perfectly justified in her case because she is making gratuitous comparisons between Pakistani/Bangladeshi v/s Indian migrants. If she wants to say Indians are good migrants, well and good. Why bring in Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? She is propping up Indians deliberately at the expense of other migrants.

The comparison between Pakistani/ Bangladeshi to Indians is necessary, cause thats a pretty common excuse these days." We have more kids because of cultural differences." Unless of course you are one of those Pakistanis who think Indian and Pakistani culture is not the same.

From the above link,

All the applicants were given the same standard of qualifications and experience, but their CVs were presented differently.
[...]
Almost a quarter of applications by two candidates given traditionally "white" names - Jenny Hughes and John Andrews - resulted in interview offers.

But only 9% of the "Muslim" applications, by the fictitious Fatima Khan and Nasser Hanif, prompted a similar response.
[...]
Letters from the "black" candidates, Abu Olasemi and Yinka Olatunde, had a 13% success rate.

Just cause the subjects of these tests didn't include an Indian, doesn't mean British Indians face any less racism in the UK job market.

Bottom line argument seems to be: if you are a migrant facing discrimination, better not have kids.

Bottom line is, if you are lazy dole bludger, of any race, religion, ethnicity, don't have have a dozen kids.

I mean its a circle. What do you you think is the reason for British and Bangladeshi migrants being less qualified than say British Chinese and Indian? And how do you break this circle, of being from a dole bludging family, have a handful of siblings, poor household, can't afford a good education, can't get a decent job, get married and then have a dozen kids myself.

How does one end this vicious cycle of "oppression" and "discrimination". Easy do not have a dozen kids!.

---------- Post added at 05:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:10 PM ----------

Correction: no Republic of India

I was just taking a dig.

 

[Manas]

Lets kill the messenger since we can't the message !!

 

[Developereo]

The comparison between Pakistani/ Bangladeshi to Indians is necessary, cause thats a pretty common excuse these days." We have more kids because of cultural differences." Unless of course you are one of those Pakistanis who think Indian and Pakistani culture is not the same.

And how is that relevant to the Indians' success or failure as a migrant group? If they are doing well, fine. Are they unable to stand on their own merit without having to kick others?

Why is she selectively digging up old controversial issues even when trends belie her claims?

Just cause the subjects of these tests didn't include an Indian, doesn't mean British Indians face any less racism in the UK job market.

Any evidence to show that Indians (presumably non-Muslim Indians) face equal job discrimination to Muslims? Note that even 'blacks' fare better than Muslims in the BBC study. Remember, the resumes in the study had identical or comparable qualifications.

Bottom line is, if you are lazy dole bludger, of any race, religion, ethnicity, don't have have a dozen kids.

I mean its a circle. What do you you think is the reason for British and Bangladeshi migrants being less qualified than say British Chinese and Indian? And how do you break this circle, of being from a dole bludging family, have a handful of siblings, poor household, can't afford a good education, can't get a decent job, get married and then have a dozen kids myself.

How does one end this vicious cycle of "oppression" and "discrimination". Easy do not have a dozen kids!.

You are not making a logical statement here. Just arguing in circles and frothing at the mouth. If you can't address the substance of the BBC study, just say so. No need to go on a rant.

Meanwhile, I suggest you show us how non-Muslim Indians face equal or worse job discrimination than Muslims in the UK. Remember, identical resumes...

 

[Roybot]

Any evidence to show that Indians (presumably non-Muslim Indians) face equal job discrimination to Muslims? Note that even 'blacks' fare better than Muslims in the BBC study. Remember, the resumes in the study had identical or comparable qualifications.

Meanwhile, I suggest you show us how non-Muslim Indians face equal or worse job discrimination than Muslims in the UK. Remember, identical resumes...

We can again consider the alternative presentation of these results in terms of overall success rates (Table 3.5). The success rate for white applicants varies in each row as each base only includes those applications sent alongside the particular ethnic minority group analysed. In this way we control for variation between the employers.

Nearly twice as many Indian applications had to be sent for the same level of successful outcomes as for white applications. Mirroring the findings in Table 3.4, there was somewhat less net discrimination for the Pakistani/Bangladeshi applications, but in general the levels were similar across the individual ethnic minority groups and differences were not statistically significant.

Page 36, http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/rports2009-2010/rrep607.pdf

Lets hear your next excuse

 

[Dhruv V Singh]

Bottom line argument seems to be: if you are a migrant facing discrimination, better not have kids.

The whole world is after Pakistanis, no one wants to see them happy. Pakistanis can only convince them self with their bs excuses, no one else is going to buy it.

So many British Pakistanis live on welfare payment, yet have so many babies. And if thats not enough British Pakistani kids are 13 times more likely to have genetic disorder, thanks to about 55% of them marrying their first cousins.

So not only they live on welfare payments, their kids put unnecessary strain on British medical system, thanks to their inbreeding And on top of that they are not willing to work.