Pakistan would buy Chinese HD-1 supersonic missile

[MimophantSlayer]

The fact remains that it is a Yakont , and the vary name BhraMOS, where MOS stands for Moscow. Whatever modification done, are done with full Russian assistance and guidance. If India was that good , it would have made this missile on its own and its own track record with Nirbay which is nothing short of shambols, is a clear indication of India lacking expertise. Bhramos cannot be classed as Indian. Hence the original argument.

True, BrahMos cannot be classified as Indian as it is indeed not an Indian missile but a product of a joint venture.

As for modifications done, initially we did indeed require Russian assistance to produce BrahMos' subsystems in India and we slowly kept indigenizing and now we only really need their permission to modify the BrahMos and replace the said Russian subsystems with fully indigenously developed seekers, solid fueled boosters and the like.

As for the track record of Nirbhay; cruise missiles are entirely very complicated weapon systems.
They are basically autonomous planes and failures during initial tests is all but guaranteed.
Nirbhay's failures up until now are completely normal and even expected and cannot be compared with the successful tests of a complete and mature platform like BrahMos.

The progenitor of modern cruise missiles the Tomahawk had numerous initial failures and crashes even now. The Americans conducted countless tests before they even deemed it competent enough for induction.

"Anyone" saying that they can induct a subsonic cruise missile in an unrealistically shorter time frame with just a handful of tests when compared to those of America(the pioneers of modern cruise missiles), and with absolutely ZERO failures, is lying and the said cruise missile is an imported product.

 

[HAIDER]

seems copy of Russian Brahmos ..

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is one thing though that you make better than Pakistan and in far greater numbers ..... Human Fecal Mine Bombs.

No military can invade your cities without every soldier stepping on one of those Smelly Bhrti's Stinky dump bombs for more than a few dozen times at least

Has, what else can we do? We are unable to match the mighty weapons of Pakistan. That is why.

What do you mean take it back? Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and they are occupying 55% of it. We have to take it back from them.

Lols 35% Kashmir with Pakistan and 10% with China and Chupa pawa claimed that Kashmir belongs to you, come on son and take it back agar G mien dum hai tu...

 

[Ultima Thule]

The fact remains that it is a Yakont , and the vary name BhraMOS, where MOS stands for Moscow. Whatever modification done, are done with full Russian assistance and guidance. If India was that good , it would have made this missile on its own and its own track record with Nirbay which is nothing short of shambols, is a clear indication of India lacking expertise. Bhramos cannot be classed as Indian. Hence the original argument.

No your all wrong bro MOS doesn't mean Moscow but a Moskova river in Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskva_River
Whereas Bhra means Brahmaputra river
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmaputra_River @Taimoor Khan

 

[HariPrasad]

What do you mean take it back? Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and they are occupying 55% of it. We have to take it back from them.

Who stops you? Take it. You had tried in 1971 as well. Try once again.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Who stops you? Take it. You had tried in 1971 as well. Try once again.

correct your figure its not in 71 but in 65, an who stops you for taking our Kashmir, we captured large part of Kashmir in 48 and you still crying like a river, come on get it, we are waiting @HariPrasad

 

[Basel]

Be it, HD-1 or d18-1s , d18-2s, d18-3s or starry sky 2 we just need 450 km range mach 6 hypersonic missile. Be it cruise or ballistic purpose will be fullfilled. Lets see what pakistan opts pit at in 2 years time.

Amazing how 200 million $ hypersonic cruise missile can nullify 5 billion $ sophisticated layered anti missile system like s400. Cost efficiently is always on the side which counters instead of the one who deploys or disclosed first. Hence we should never ever disclose our precious system under the sheets for now.

Lest they be countered by our enemies in the same manner we do

If Pakistan buy or develop Stealth CM and Hypersonic (high maneuvering) CM then both can give Indian air defense run for their money, also Turkish SOM series is good option.

Actually there is more to a story here.

China explicitly test this missile right after India-Russia S-400 acquisition deal. In other words, Chinese response to Indian S-400 and a clear indication, which these Indians are rightly fearing, that its end user will be Pakistan as well. I think Indian concerns are premature for now but very valid.

And best part is that China can test it against S-400 which will allow Pakistan to have a weapon which can handle S-400.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

This is a very worrying development for India.

 

[HariPrasad]

correct your figure its not in 71 but in 65, an who stops you for taking our Kashmir, we captured large part of Kashmir in 48 and you still crying like a river, come on get it, we are waiting @HariPrasad

From where have you learned your history?

 

[Thorough Pro]

We tried in 1971?
Kid read your history before making stupid statements.
And rest assured, we WILL take it back sooner or later. Everything on its right time.

Who stops you? Take it. You had tried in 1971 as well. Try once again.

 

[Ultima Thule]

From where have you learned your history?

Read the history kid operation Gibraltar was in 65 not in 71 kid @HariPrasad here it is @HariPrasad enjoy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar @HariPrasad

war in 71 was on Bangladesh issue, there was no war in 71 in Kashmir @HariPrasad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971 @HariPrasad

 

[MimophantSlayer]

war in 71 was on Bangladesh issue, there was no war in 71 in Kashmir @HariPrasad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971 @HariPrasad

I think you are the one who needs to read history or not read doctored history or not like a simpleton rely solely on Wikipedia.

http://www.claws.in/743/brief-on-the-indo-pak-war-1971-western-theatre-maj-gen-dhruv-c-katoch.html

correct your figure its not in 71 but in 65, an who stops you for taking our Kashmir, we captured large part of Kashmir in 48 and you still crying like a river, come on get it, we are waiting @HariPrasad

As for 48.....
Vengeance was ours when in 1971 we parted you with 1/5th your territory, a major chunk of your population and made 90,000 of your soldiers POWs.
And to top it off, humiliated pakistan by making it surrender publicly with the said 90k soldiers, the only such public surrender in the history of modern warfare.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think you are the one who needs to read history or not read doctored history or not like a simpleton rely solely on Wikipedia.

http://www.claws.in/743/brief-on-the-indo-pak-war-1971-western-theatre-maj-gen-dhruv-c-katoch.html

WoW what a neutral and un-doctored by a indian major gen, thanks for correction @CyclopS

As for 48.....
Vengeance was ours when in 1971 we parted you with 1/5th your territory, a major chunk of your population and made 90,000 of your soldiers POWs.
And to top it off, humiliated pakistan by making it surrender publicly with the said 90k soldiers, the only such public surrender in the history of modern warfare.

We are politically weak and internationally alone in 71 and you're backed by Soviet Union, thats why we were defeated @CyclopS

 

[HAIDER]

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

If we like we will build at home under license.

License is generally for assembly. If Pakistan has some contribution to make for the development, then it may be given manufacturing right

Looks like ISI really got deep into the Brahmos project

If we utilise and hand over all the brahmos information ISI obtained then with Chinese tech their is a good base for a JV

This HD1 is solid fuel missile whereas Brahmos is liquid fuel. Solid fuel is always heavier than liquid fuel one. You can see it in any type of missile. So, its fliggt dynamics will be different from Brahmos.

Also, ISI is not great genius that can get the important information of Brahmos. Don't think too much about ISI getting all secret information on Indian items

Actually there is more to a story here.

China explicitly test this missile right after India-Russia S-400 acquisition deal. In other words, Chinese response to Indian S-400 and a clear indication, which these Indians are rightly fearing, that its end user will be Pakistan as well. I think Indian concerns are premature for now but very valid.

There is no better defence to S400 than ballistic missile. This missile is just short ranged solid fuel missile. Why would China consider this as defence against S400?