Pakistan would become among top ten economies at its 100th anniversary: Ahsan Iqbal

[Malang Badshah]

Anyway Hindko is punjabi dialect and very similar to punjabi spoken around main land Punjab. Some hindkos have pashtun origin and others punjabi like jatts etc. These people were known as punjabis before 1947, just like Seraikis of DI Khan which is another dialect of punjabi. Otherwise Punjabi population is just 30% if we only include areas around Lahore as punjabis.

Historically? How? You realize historically Peshawar is part of Punjab? So how long are you gona go back historically? And another thing Janjuas, Ghakkars didn't came from Rajasthan. Rajput is umbrella term for Kashtriya who main occupation was being warrior. Genetically Janjuas, ghakkars etc are not related to Rajastan Rajputs.

Well I was talking about the majority of Hindkowans inhabiting the Hazara belt who are majority of Pakhtun origin. Moreover Punjabi is not an ethnicity or race like Pakhtuns and Baloch or Kurds. Its just a cultural and linguistic term. The region called Punjab was only called Punjab after the arrival of Muslim rulers in the region.

Well do you also realize that historically Karachi is part of Bombay Confederacy. Peshawar, Karachi and many other regions were included in neighbouring provinces or territories by the British for their own political and administrative reasons and has nothing to do with history.

Moreover as far as I know Ghakkars are Iranian migrants and Janjuas are Rajputs and the native,traditional, cultural, political and historical homeland and powerhouse of Rajputs is Rajhasthan and Northern India. Those who historically didn't come from either of these two are not Rajputs but impostors.

 

[dawn_news]

Well I was talking about the majority of Hindkowans inhabiting the Hazara belt who are majority of Pakhtun origin. Moreover Punjabi is not an ethnicity or race like Pakhtuns and Baloch or Kurds. Its just a cultural and linguistic term. The region called Punjab was only called Punjab after the arrival of Muslim rulers in the region.

Well do you also realize that historically Karachi is part of Bombay Confederacy. Peshawar, Karachi and many other regions were included in neighbouring provinces or territories by the British for their own political and administrative reasons and has nothing to do with history.

Moreover as far as I know Ghakkars are Iranian migrants and Janjuas are Rajputs and the native,traditional, cultural, political and historical homeland and powerhouse of Rajputs is Rajhasthan and Northern India. Those who historically didn't come from either of these two are not Rajputs but impostors.

Well i don't know how many hindkos are punjabi origin or pakhtun. Punjab is persian origin name, it means country of 5 rivers. Historically punjab have always known as land of 5 rivers with different names. For exemple in Rig Vedic times it was known as Sapta Sindhu, but there is one river missing there.

As i said how long you are going back? Just before muslims came Kabul was ruled by Janjuas.

And as i said before rajput is umbrella term. Rajasthan rajputs are 5 million and make 8% of Rajasthan population. They themselves claim central asian origin. No one ever said or claimed Janjua being from Rajasthan. Because then genetically they should have been similar to them but are not. These are ancient people living in Punjab.

 

[Malang Badshah]

There are many things you have ignored. Calling all these populations small minority, when they actually make up 15% of the country's population, 30 million people, They make up 60% in KPK and 35% in Balochistan. They include Pakhtun areas deeply connected with other language groups as Tank, and Marwat, Swabi and Chachh in Attock, or Far eastern Balochistan.
How did you make the connection of Pakhtuns and Baloch to Afghanistan?

Malang Baba, Your argument is, Punjabis are the only people who want a Pakistan of Jinnah Sahab. The rest wants desh of their own. This is not what Pakistanis want on the ground. You talked about Muhajirs. Why did you single them out? They are the best Pakistanis.

Subhan Allah from where are you getting these figures? Can post any authentic source or reference? Moreover do you know that in NWFP referendum 49% of people voted against merger with Pakistan? Similarly the Kalat State Assembly also voted against merger with Pakistan? So what are you talking my dear? and now your also making baseless claims about such traditional and tribal Pakhtuns regions like Tank, Lakki Marwat and Swabi !!! Dear I think you've totally lost it!

 

[Malang Badshah]

Well i don't know how many hindkos are punjabi origin or pakhtun. Punjab is persian origin name, it means country of 5 rivers. Historically punjab have always known as land of 5 rivers with different names. For exemple in Rig Vedic times it was known as Sapta Sindhu, but there is one river missing there.

As i said how long you are going back? Just before muslims came Kabul was ruled by Janjuas.

And as i said before rajput is umbrella term. Rajasthan rajputs are 5 million and make 8% of Rajasthan population. They themselves claim central asian origin. No one ever said or claimed Janjua being from Rajasthan. Because then genetically they should have been similar to them but are not. These are ancient people living in Punjab.

Again where are you bringing your figures from? Post source/references. Moreover which communities/tribes in India are not of Central Asian, Eurasian, Afghan, Persian, Middle Eastern or Mongloid origin except the Dravidians of South India?

Please don't bring your self-cooked Pseudo-history in here. Kabul was ruled by Hindu Shahis not Janjuas and yes if Rajputs have not come down either from Rajhasthan or Northern India ( Haryana, Delhi, Western UP etc then they are something else and definitely not Rajput)

 

[Multani]

Again where are you bringing your figures from? Post source/references. Moreover which communities/tribes in India are not of Central Asian, Eurasian, Afghan, Persian, Middle Eastern or Mongloid origin except the Dravidians of South India?

I am bringing my figures from realities on the ground. District by District, in KPK, Balochistan, Sindh, and Punjab. They include ALL the border districts between these provinces, but not exhaustively.

Subhan Allah from where are you getting these figures? Can post any authentic source or reference? Moreover do you know that in NWFP referendum 49% of people voted against merger with Pakistan? Similarly the Kalat State Assembly also voted against merger with Pakistan? So what are you talking my dear? and now your also making baseless claims about such traditional and tribal Pakhtuns regions like Tank, Lakki Marwat and Swabi !!! Dear I think you've totally lost it!

Tank, Marwat, Bannu, Swabi are DEEPLY connected to the fabric of the country, and these are just few of the Pakhtun areas. THAT is the point, that you ignore.

Yes Ma sha Allah, Lots of Punjabis also voted against Pakistan. I am talking about ground realities today

Read this. That comment was not directed at you.


Subhan Allah from where are you getting these figures? Can post any authentic source or reference? Moreover do you know that in NWFP referendum 49% of people voted against merger with Pakistan? Similarly the Kalat State Assembly also voted against merger with Pakistan? So what are you talking my dear? and now your also making baseless claims about such traditional and tribal Pakhtuns regions like Tank, Lakki Marwat and Swabi !!! Dear I think you've totally lost it!

Once again, I am bringing my figures from ground realities on the ground of Pakhtun and non Pakhtun areas mixed into the fabric of my country Pakistan.

These include for example, Bannu, Tank, Swabi, Marwat are just a few examples.

 

[TimeToScoot]

Better to set 5 year targets and achieve them instead of bragging about what Pakistan will be when more than half of it's present citizens will be no more.

 

[dawn_news]

Again where are you bringing your figures from? Post source/references. Moreover which communities/tribes in India are not of Central Asian, Eurasian, Afghan, Persian, Middle Eastern or Mongloid origin except the Dravidians of South India?

Figures of 5 million Rajputs in Rajasthan? Its well known and overall population is 70 milion so 5 million mean around 8%. Not everyone in Rajasthan is Rajput. And there is not a single source for your claim of Janjua being from Rajasthan a part from saying Rajputana is origin of rajputs. More like homeland of rajasthan rajputs and named after them despite being 8% of population.

85-90% of Indians are native origin tribes not just Dravidians which is linguistic group. 10-15% which include brahmins, rajasthan rajputs, jatts are believed to have central asian origin going by their genetics.

 

[Malang Badshah]

I am bringing my figures from realities on the ground. District by District, in KPK, Balochistan, Sindh, and Punjab. They include ALL the border districts between these provinces, but not exhaustively.



Tank, Marwat, Bannu, Swabi are DEEPLY connected to the fabric of the country, and these are just few of the Pakhtun areas. THAT is the point, that you ignore.

Yes Ma sha Allah, Lots of Punjabis also voted against Pakistan. I am talking about ground realities today

Just a simple question?

Are Pakhtunkhwa, FATA and Balochistan linguistically, culturally, socially, politically and historically more connected and related to Afghanistan or Punjab and Sindh? Please just answer this one simple question then debate closed.

 

[TimeToScoot]

85-90% of Indians are native origin tribes not just Dravidians which is linguistic group. 10-15% which include brahmins, rajasthan rajputs, jatts are believed to have central asian origin going by their genetics.

Can you please mention the genetic study you're referring to? EVERY single genetic study I know of has debunked the Aryan race theory. I can quote them if you wish and I expect you to quote yours.

 

[Multani]

Just a simple question?

Are Pakhtunkhwa, FATA and Balochistan linguistically, culturally, socially, politically and historically more connected and related to Afghanistan or Punjab and Sindh? Please just answer this one simple question then debate closed.

Silly question. You missed the whole point of the last few posts. You do not seem to understand. I don't think you live along the Indus.

Question for you instead. What is the obsession with Afghanistan here?

 

[INDIC]

Can you please mention the genetic study you're referring to? EVERY single genetic study I know of has debunked the Aryan race theory. I can quote them if you wish and I expect you to quote yours.

He is creating these studies in his imagination. @Nuri Natt dimag ke nut kas le tu.

 

[Multani]

Better to set 5 year targets and achieve them instead of bragging about what Pakistan will be when more than half of it's present citizens will be no more.

I have reported your post for being extremely insultive and abusive. If you have nothing to add, leave.

 

[dawn_news]

Just a simple question?

Are Pakhtunkhwa, FATA and Balochistan linguistically, culturally, socially, politically and historically more connected and related to Afghanistan or Punjab and Sindh? Please just answer this one simple question then debate closed.

No doubt Balochis are closer to Irani Balochis and Pashtuns are closer to Afghan pashtuns.

 

[INDIC]

Punjab is persian origin name, it means country of 5 rivers. Historically punjab have always known as land of 5 rivers with different names. For exemple in Rig Vedic times it was known as Sapta Sindhu, but there is one river missing there.

But you don't the history of North-West more than that.

 

[dawn_news]

Can you please mention the genetic study you're referring to? EVERY single genetic study I know of has debunked the Aryan race theory. I can quote them if you wish and I expect you to quote yours.

There are other threads for Aryan race theory, even your brethen bhaiya @INDIC have accepted Aryan being pure caucasians lol